DOES ESSAYBAY CHEATS ON WRITERS

DOES ESSAYBAY CHEATS ON WRITERS (WHEN THEY SEE WRITER HAS GOOD AMOUNT PENDING WITH THEM)

Your English is "interesting."

Dear All,

I have been restricted to post further comments in the thread (ESSAY HAS GONE TO THE DOGS). ESSAYBAY feels insecure and loosing their business because I disclosed their secrets and weaknesses they have in their business unit.

I am totally blocked my IP and my ID both are blocked to post in that forum. however, I can post comments in other forums but not particularly in above mentioned forum where I posted following comments previously:

"I have gone through the arguments of Mr. Biblio and the whole discussion on his comments. I have also read the comments of Carly who is representing EssayBay. I am of the view that the company is paying favour to the Biblio. The question raised by Biblio that people from other parts of world, who are bidding at the lowest rates should be discouraged has no legal sense.

1. In an open market competition is the basic factor of the marketing. When you allow many products in a market it means you want to give an opportunity to the customer to get the qualitative and cheapest product of his own choice. If you discourage competition it means you want monopoly of some persons. If some writers are bidding at cheapest rates and they are giving the quality work to the customers then there is no valid reason to raise objection on their work, on the basis of native and non-native issue. The skill//ability is not property of any person and you can not stop any one from working in open market. If EssayBay don't want services of non-native writers it should be mentioned clearly in its terms and conditions that non native persons should not apply for registration. Once a company is allowing registration to all writers then there is no sense to suspend their accounts on a complaint of a single person. I want to mention clearly in the interest of essaybay if they will follow policy of native and non native their company will sink soon. Because EssayBay is not only a company offering writing services but there are many other companies providing same facilities on the internet. Customers are not bound to give their projects at heavy rates to the native writers . They will go to another website that is offering same services at cheapest rates. The change in essaybay policy will affect its own business.

2. On the complaint of Biblio ( A new writer registered few weeks ago ) accounts of many senior writers have been suspended and number of these writers can be 100, 200 or may be 500 writers. Lets suppose if 500 writers have been suspended and if each writer has 2-3 orders in pending it mean at least 1500 customers will suffer for no reason It is ill management of the company that just to satisfy a single person company is going to displease its 1500 customers. Once if company losses trust of customers/writers it will take a long time to rebuild its confidence. I can not understand why the company is putting its million dollars business at risk for satisfaction of a single complainant.

3: As far as the question of fake ratting is concerned I think it is fault of the company because present software of the company provides an opportunity for fake rating. The responsibility of fake rating can not be fixed on a writer because each and every person can have access to give rating to a writer by creating a fake buyer account, It is very difficult to prove that who is responsible for making fake rating either writer himself or someone else who wants to spoil the account of a writer on the basis of business jealousy. Instead of suspending accounts of the writers it is better for the company to remove fault and upgrade their software because it is the only solution to control fake rating in future. Company is punishing its goods writers for no fault. This type of policy will not be helpful to improve company's performance but company will loose the confidence of its best writers.

These are the some suggestions which I have put here for the betterment of writers/customers and company in the light of global marketing rules. However, company is sole judge to take decision. But before taking any decision management must keep in mind that customer and writers affected by their decision will make cry on other forums and will go in legal process. That will give a bad name to the company And company will face problem for their wrong policies".

No, they don't. However, they did ban writers who were CHEATING clients by POSTING FAKE FEEDBACK about themselves. ^_^

Hope you liked getting banned. :p

Research has proved that a few day back essaybay has taken an action that was totally based on falsity to suspended hundred of poor writer and now denies to pay their dues that starts from $200 to 2000 essaybay owes to writers.

Essaybay itself provided base to their writers for creating fake buyer accounts so their writers can increase their own rating and get more and more orders so that essaybay can earn more and more commission from income that writers generate by working day and night.

This policy of essay bay actually proved to be more beneficial for them and they enjoy both sides of this coin i.e.:

First of all they earn commission from hundred of writers who work hard to make their living; when they see writers have accumulated enough money into their escrow accounts that he/she can ask essaybay any time to release via international wire transfer or Paypal account that becomes difficult for essaybay to release.

At that point what they actually do is, they hire some people for fake blogging and tell them to post complaints against such writers who were encouraged by essaybay itself to post fake rating because essaybay is helpless otherwise to generate revenue.

These hired people for blogging on sites like essayscam come and make temporary ID's and start their jobs and do as they were directed.

Recently essaybay has hired Biblio who has made his ID here on essaycam a few day back and claims to be one of essaybay's newly registered writer. According to him, this poor writer is unable to compete those senior writers because they have old tactics of giving fake rating. He has posted a new thread "ESSAYBAY HAS GONE TO THE DOGSS" this can be found here: essayscam.org/forum/wc/essaybay-has-gone-dogs-1781/

in which he says that we are not getting business being honest writers and other people who are not honest.

on this request of a sing newly registered so called writer essaybay suddenly becomes memorizes RULES and REGULATIONS and becomes very civilized strategic to take an action after four years of his business on same patterns. And suspends accounts of hundreds of writer who were working with them for last 2 or 3 years having good business relation and consistently performing and playing role in essaybay's revenue generation.

I am asking essaybay:
where were they all these four years?

why didn't they take any action against these writer in all that time of four years?

Is essaybays management so incompetent and deficient that they can't even rectify big fault in their system unless someone come from out side and knock their door telling them that you have some wrong with your system?

No! in fact they new each and everything but they deliberately avoided to bother this issue
made their writers feel that essaybay is with them just because they were waiting for right time. Exactly when they found an opportunity they played their cards. That has now effected both the writers and customers but in fact not only writers and customers but essaybay reputation will be effected too due to this action taken by company's unskilled and incompetent management.

When I tried to raise voice they blocked my postings by misguiding essayscam admin that I am abusing them. however you can see my previous blog below via posted a link.

essayscam.org/forum/wc/essaybay-has-gone-dogs-1781/

In this thread where I am restricted to post anymore and because of that created this new thread so people come to know what is reality because I am not the only victim there are many others like me all of them are restricted to post their comments.

What research? Established writers made a legitimate complaint. Essaybay terminated the accounts held by frausters, as any responsible company would have done.

Apparently, only a handful were suspended, not hundreds - get your `research facts' straight.

I really do not believe that any kept up to $2,000 in their kitty.

Look - I have never found them to be dishonest with their writers (at least, they never were with me). Even though I haven't taken on any essaybay projects in a while (am exclusive to one company), they didn't suspend my account. I know several, highly active, essaybay writers whose accounts weren't suspended. Could it be because they do not cheat?


Never experienced that problem with them.


Actually, only a cheat would ever come up with that excuse. No. There is hardly a reasonable-minded person who would buy into your `theory.' Only a dishonest person would ...


No, they didn't block your post. It was so terribly senseless that the mods threw it into the trash thread :)

Carly, how about requiring authentication from all essaybay writers? While you have some excellent writers there, they are being overwhelmed in numbers by the rotten ones. By providing the barely literate with access to your platform, you are only creating problems for essaybay.

Writer143567, please allow me to introduce you to reality: you are a completely incompetent writer. You have no business claiming to be a "professional" writer or fooling customers into paying you a dime. You embody exactly what's wrong with the industry. You deserved to be fired, for multiple reasons. I will add, however, that EB should be absolutely ashamed for having you on the payroll in the first place.

Essaybay does not keep writers on a "payroll" just as Ebay does not keep sellers on one. Just couldn't resist pulling another of your pathetically ineffective cheap shots, could you? ^_^

How do you manage to dress yourself in the morning?

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payroll
"a list of employees to be paid, with the amount due to each."

If you're going to attack me, at least educate yourself in advance.

You know, I was perfectly happy not interfering in any of your posts since you returned. Now, you can go fu*- yourself.

Does the phrase "shoot yourself in the foot" mean anything to you? :D Haha! I forgot how good this feels. :) Do I still have to explain how you've made yourself look silly twice now since I got back? Nah... I'm sure most people reading this thread understand. :) Don't you worry your ugly little head though, I think I'll be gone again after a few more posts. ^_^ You see as much as baiting you is so much fun, I've found that I can triple my income just by staying away from this forum.


and I was perfectly happy not interfering with your sad existence until you tried defaming a legitimate company. :)

Wow, you truly are an idiot. A "payroll" is quite literally a list of people to whom the company owes money. When customers pay EB, EB must collect / account for taxes and pay its freelance EMPLOYEES and/or independent contractors at a later date. The list of freelance employees and/or independent contractors that the company must pay is called a "payroll." I wouldn't expect you to understand these facts, considering that you don't have the skills or resources to manage your own corporation.


LOL. Ask Carly how many major discrepancies I've pointed out that they subsequently addressed, thereby becoming more legitimate.

Oh, please.. stop wiggling out of the spit. You're already cooked. :D Oh.. oh, do you have an online dictionary reference that says that as well? :) So... are a company's creditors included in their "payroll" in your world? 'Coz last time I checked, a business owes its creditors money too. :D


Typical WB: when backed in a corner, BS like hell. :D Hahaha!

I could roast you further by explaining how essaybay takes commission from writers and does not actually "pay" them but hey, I think you've had enough. :)


Another typical WB: When defense is impossible, change topic! Haha!!! ^___^

Lovin' this comeback but I got tons of work.... well.... maybe one more post. Looking forward to yours. :D

Lesson to readers: Don't let WB write your accounting/business/management papers. Her excellent grammar won't save you from looking st*pid.

As anyone can clearly see, EW_crook's style hasn't changed. He makes a claim that I am incorrect, I prove otherwise with third-party evidence, and he claims victory. Quite simply, the guy's deranged.

As for me "changing the subject," one can also clearly see that I was responding to a completely different subject that the moron broached.

Oh please.. another typical WB: when beaten to a pulp, whine.

Once again folks, the lesson learned here is simple:

Don't let WB write your accounting/business/management papers. Her excellent grammar won't save you from looking stupid. ^_^


I never get tired of how silly the above statement is. :)


So if I have a bond issued by HSBC, that means I'm on HSBC's payroll? o.O Your stupidity is amazing, but your inability to accept a mistake is even more remarkable. :D

Please post your research. As a member of the company that owns EssayBay, I'd LOVE to see it.

We didn't suspend hundreds of writers, I'd be surprised if we even suspended 10. I don't think we have more than 200 active writers signed working and bidding!


Yes, the fact you can sign up as both writer & buyer is a problem that a few dishonest people have taken advantage of. I think a lot of freelancing sites must struggle with this issue. We'll have to come up with a solution to make it harder to sign up as both.


Sorry, I don't see why it's difficult to pay our own writers? Please explain.


Actually, we don't hire anybody to do that. I'd like to see some of these 'blog posts' you're referring to? As if a company would hire people to slate said company to make money out of it??? You'd just give yourself a terrible reputation and no writers/buyers would sign up - complete nonsense! If this is a REAL tactic other sites use, they're clearly lacking business sense!


This makes VERY little sense. "Request of sing"? What? I can almost decipher that you're saying after four years we suddenly decided to fire lots of people? The site's only been live three years for starters. We don't even have hundreds of writers to fire. I think actively, we probably have around 200 writers. Why would we fire them all!! Active writers from the last 2-3 years? I'd say there were probably 50 from that far back - not hundreds. Most of our active writers have signed up over the last year.

I ask: Where are you getting your facts from?


One of those years the company didn't exist! For one year Jen and Liam programmed/managed the site with very little business running from it, as it launched. Then I took over and now our customer services team handle the day-to-day queries. Fraudulent writers were suspended before last week, I can assure you.[/quote]


A few writers that have recently been gaming the system were suspended once we'd learnt about the problem. One or people were suspended in the past for similar activities.


Pretty much, yes! The site was built from a script we purchased. There's nothing built in to help us alert us to such action. Without manually tracking every action we have to rely on our users to alert us. As I've mentioned countless times, we're currently planning and rewriting the system in house, using our experienced programmers. Problems like this will be addressed in the new version (and hopefully other issues will be ironed out too.)[/quote]


Yes! A moment ago you said we were TRYING to ruin our own reputation.


Nothing to do with us. I've never seen EssayScam ban people from just ONE thread? Does this happen ever?

EssayScam will have banned you from the ENTIRE FORUM for violating one of the following rules:

essayscam.org/disclaimer-privacy/

I'm going to suggest it's this one if you've been banned:

8. One individual or company is not allowed to register or use more than one username. Violators' rights, agreements, or privileges are automatically null and void.

Simply because:

a) Your account on EssayBay was suspended for the same reason, and
b) Mysteriously, a few people have signed up and posted on this forum, claiming (in broken English as bad as yours) the same things... 'hundreds of writers fined' etc

Summary: Like I said, a handful of writers were suspended. They had clearly been engaging in deceptive activity. If you think your account was suspended in error, I suggest you contact me with your username or call a member of the customer services team.

Thank you.

Yes EssayBay hired me to come on Essayscam and vent so that they could keep the millions you have earned for themselves. First, the suspensions were 'based on falsity' then EssayBay enabled and encouraged (!!!!!) writers to cheat. I agree with WRT. Only a dishonest person would agree with your logic.


Where in my post did I suggest that foreign writers should be discouraged?

I've stated many, many times that I do not write papers for students.


Great comparison. When one buys a bond, one is actually LOANING money to the issuer. That's not remotely close to an employment situation. Payroll is tied to employment. Perhaps, you missed the economics class in high school?


EW_moron thinks that dictionaries and evidence are "silly."

payroll

1. a list of employees to be paid, with the amount due to each.

Facts are silly.

Dear Writers,

I think "not". I have been working with Essaybay since last year and I have earned approximately 3000 $. But, I have not faced any trouble although there system is very slow in releasing the payments, but they paid ever.

Actually the problem arise where the writer place project him/her self and then put the 100% feedback to him/her self. At this point the essaybay of course has the right to remove the account.

Regards
A Q Awan

The owners of EB should be ashamed for allowing such writers in their system. Clearly, there's either no screening process at all or the owners just don't care. When customers PAY for what they are led to believe is "professional" writing, the product that they receive must be void of such embarrassing mistakes.

Carly, while I agree that Writer143567 is a thoroughly dishonest individual and, in all probability, has more than one essayscam username, the fact remains that essaybay has placed itself in an unenviable position. You, as a company, should not be hiring mentally incompetent individuals who can barely speak English, as professional English-language researchers. Writer143567, ExpertWriter and Paper Expert have no place in this industry and EB should never have let those fools loose on unsuspecting customers. These people are absolutely illiterate and EB should verify ALL applicants prior to hiring them.

Gosh, you're dense. We're not employees of essaybay in the same way that the sellers on Ebay are not employees of Ebay. We are not paid by essaybay, essaybay takes a commission off what our clients pay us. Thus, we are NOT on essaybay's "payroll" as the word is correctly used on the planet Earth. ^_____^

What's more, I never laughed at the evidence from your dictionary. I do accept entirely that a payroll is a list of employees to be paid. What I do continue to laugh at is your utterly pathetic attempt to fool the good people reading this thread that there is some valid dictionary in the world that actually contains this definition of payroll:


C'mon, WB. Show us the link to this out-of-this-world definition of what a payroll is. If we follow this definition, then if I bought a bond from HSBC, I should be in HSBC's payroll since they would owe me money. See how silly your made up definition is?


Clearly you are ignorant of the system in which essaybay works. In what rock have you been hiding under since Ebay (not essaybay) launched? Does Ebay screen its sellers? No. Does Elance screen the people who apply for the jobs that are posted on their site? No. Why? Because that's how C2C businesses go. That's why maintaining an authentic feedback system is crucial to essaybay (snaps to Carly!!!).

Don't know what C2C is? Too bad.. I'd tell you about it but then I'll really have to charge you $30/hour.


Hi, WRT. As I've explained in my previous post, essaybay does not hire writers. We sign up to be allowed to bid on projects posted by clients. Essaybay does not pay us a salary. When the client releases money from escrow, a part of it goes to essaybay as commission. The part that goes to us can be transferred immediately to a paypal account. Thus, the transaction that occurs is really between the client and the writer with essaybay mediating the transaction for a fee.

Regarding having "mentally incompetent individuals who can barely speak English" on its roster of writers. It's the client's responsibility to look for competent writers in the same way as it is the buyer's responsibility to look for the product that he/she wants to buy on Ebay. However, essaybay guides the buyers by letting previous buyers post feedback about writers. I think that if you view the feedback of Expert Writer for example, you'll see some pretty ugly stuff that would make you as a client immediately turn away from using the services of this writer. That is how essaybay works and that is why having an authentic feedback system is crucial for their business model.

I just wasted 30 minutes of my time posting on this board when I could have been finishing $100 worth of work. %@^# it, this forum really isn't good for me.

Wow. Once again: dictionary.reference/browse/payroll

1. a list of employees to be paid, with the amount due to each.

Do I need to quote the definition of "literally," as well?


Sellers on eBay pay eBay, not the other way around.


So, you're telling me that money's never forwarded to you through any sort of account owned by EB (i.e., AK)? Somehow, EB taps into customers' money without ever having to also pay you your portion?


Why can you not comprehend simple English? Yet again, "payroll" is tied to an employment relationship. There is no employment relationship involved in the purchase of a bond.


"Under what rock have you been hiding . . . ?"


Is EB eBay? No. Is EB eLance? No. If either of those services enable morons and incompetent, unqualified, ESL writers to fabricate qualifications in order to fool potential clients, it simply means that those two companies are equally as irresponsible and guilty.


Right. However, for the customer to be able to make that accurate, informed decision, the company must keep out the liars, fraudsters, and incompetent morons who have been frequenting this forum. Those people LIE about their credentials and rob customers of their right to choose.

In the same manner, we writers pay essaybay a commission for the use of their site. Once again, we are NOT employed by essaybay. We are not employees of essaybay.


Whether or not money is forwarded in an AK account is irrelevant. The customers let EB hold their money and EB uses the escrow system to do so. Only the clients can release the money to writers and only writers can cancel payments unless there is a dispute in which EB does its job and mediates.


Precisely. Writers on essaybay are NOT employed by essaybay. Thus, we are not on essaybay's payroll. Get it yet or do I have to draw a picture for you?


Wrong. That's what the feedback system is for. The more feedback a writer gets, the more consistent the quality of his or her work appears to clients. I buy from Ebay occasionally but I never buy items from sellers who do not at least have 100 positive feedback to their name and zero negative feedback. I can go on and on and on about this but previous experience has shown that you will never back down no matter how silly you already appear to everyone else.


Oh please, that's your grossly unqualified opinion versus the financial success and customer approval (of both buyers and sellers) that Ebay's business model has achieved since the mid-90's. Go back to correcting the grammar of 10th grade compositions and leave writing about business, marketing, accouting, statistics, and all those other areas to the big boys. ^___^


Nice try. I was not asking for a weblink to support this definition:


but this outrageous claim:


Your sad attempt to make it look like I was referring to the first defintion you gave when I was clearly referring to the second is utterly pathetic. Are you now going to argue that "employees" and "people" are synonymous? :P

It certainly does matter. Every cent that EB takes in from customers must be reported as taxable income. AK then deducts (when filing tax returns) the total amount that it released to writers during the year.


For tax purposes, they are freelance employees. (See previous explanation.)


Do you mean the completely corrupt feedback system about which YOU have been complaining because it enables unqualified liars and morons to gain unfair advantage over you? LMAO!


Who is "everyone else," exactly? I haven't read anyone else agreeing with you.


Gee, I wonder why you didn't quote my complete sentence. Allow me to assist:
If either of those services enable morons and incompetent, unqualified, ESL writers to fabricate qualifications in order to fool potential clients, it simply means that those two companies are equally as irresponsible and guilty.


Your points are pointless. Freelance employees are not people? I have stated numerous times that payroll is directly tied to employment; so, when I type "people," I'm obviously referring to EMPLOYEES (and in this particular case, freelance employees).

We don't 'hire' anybody. It's a freelancing marketplace. Just like the freelancing marketplaces I join to do SEO / Web Design. (eLance, People per hour, LimeExchange, etc) Nobody vets my skills or qualifications on those sites, though on a couple you can take tests (that you have to pay for.)

However, I do actually agree with you. I think we should try and weed out the very poor writers because they provide no value to customers and it does reflect poorly on EssayBay.

With the reprogram and the project development, I will make sure this is taken into consideration.

Yes, I understand that but my point is simply this: AA is a solid company and its reputation has been hard-earned. As EB is linked to AA (despite its being very different from your other sites), the company has to vet applicants - set a minimum standard.

Carly, i was recently suspended from essay bay.My account had accumulated some amount of money ( my clients were fully satisfied with my work). I have emailed the admin on the matter pertaining my funds release several times but i have not received any feedback from you people.kindly, can you help me sort out this.

Come slowly. mentally incompetent is too gross. Look, his skull must have definite competencies, which I would have preferred you to first find out before dismissing it wholly. I think apologies would be in order. He is a provider, just like you, yet you allege mental incompetence, I mean mental incompetence! Take a minute and think about it, how does a mentally incompetent person look like?


You need to pay them first and then help them secure alternative employment. It is called corporate social responsibility! Taht way you can practice capitalism without losing your conscience.

forumregulator
Who are you?!


They should help DISHONEST CHEATS "secure alternative employment"?


To exercise CSR, EB needs to
1) ban them
2) publish their names so that others may be warned
3) send other companies a list containing their emails, etc so that NOBODY else signs them on.

Responsible = crushing the dishonest incompetents who cheat students!

Don't you get it? These people are LIARS AND CHEATS. They cheated customers and their fellow writers. You know why? Because they don't have what it takes to compete FAIRLY!

WRT,put some sense in your reasoning.

Yes, cheats are likely to find me quite `unreasonable.'

Incompetent and thoroughly unqualified "writers" (I'm using the term loosely)
1) cheated customers by posting fake `feedback'
2) cheated honest writers by bumping them off the TOP WRITERS' list
3) cheated EB

Yes - they ought to be banned and, as long as we are talking `CSR,' their names/email ID's ought to be made public. Dishonesty should have consequences, especially when it involves playing around with a person's future (students are people, by the way).

My conscience? What about the writers that lied and cheated by creating fake accounts? What of their conscience? Or is it OK to lie, cheat and commit fraud?

Anybody that has emailed me requesting help IS being helped; Personally, I'm not sure where we stand on paying money back that was obtained through fraudulent practises (i.e. gaming the feedback system) and I think the money should go back to the clients! But that is my view, not the company's.


I agree with this 100%, which is why I've forwarded on several of your comments, with my own commentary, onto higher management. They'll be able to review the suggestions when we come to have a meeting about the reprogram

You then go ahead to give what fits your definition of blatant cruelty. How comes nobody is mentioning essaybay's role in all these? Its system did not allow for a fair competition and I am sure if I were a member of essaybay, I would probably have tried to write more papers than my fellow members.



Your system allowed it, and so, as you punish them try and find a way of punishing yourself as well. The likes of Ben and writer4234324234 should be forgiven and paid all their dues because they found a system that did not allow them to survive without 'modification'. I am sure they loved essaybay with all their heart and soul, and therefore decided to do everything possible to stay with, which means that you are now punishing loyalty. I saw that one of them was asking for a $15 balance, which I am sure you can top it up to $20 and also cover the transaction fee. If you do not change your stand some family somewhere will sleep hungry. I know it because I experienced that sometimes back when I was chased from NASA for allegedly divulging sensitive information.

You, sir, are an absolute idiot. That is all.

NASA as in NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE STUPID ASSES? What sensitive information did you divulge? That gnats are more intelligent than some `humans'?


EB's role is simply this: they allowed unethical, illiterate, morons access to customers.


You cannot be serious!


A few EB writers cheated the company, their fellow writers and customers. You are proposing that Essaybay financially reward their dishonesty - pay them an extra 33% plus transaction costs. You are either pulling our legs or are insane.


If they, the cheating freelancers, "loved essaybay with all their heart and soul," they are in dire need of institutionalisation.


As they, in all probability, were illiterate and mentally incompetent fools, cheating was the only way they could ever land a bid.


If EB does not reward the cheats, mass starvation will break out. Bob Geldof and Bono had better come to the rescue!


I disagree. Idiocy is one thing and insanity is another. This poster is stark, raving mad. In fact, considering his/her defense of corruption, I would say `criminally insane.'

You suffer from a closed mind open mouth syndrome; there is no other explanation for your propensity to use obscenities. I thought of a sponge as the least one could have in the head, but it appears I was wrong. You clearly have nothing between your ears. All you need is love and understanding.


I admit to charges of insanity. Anyway, I am not out to defend any incompetent cheats that for a long time reaped where they shouldn't have sowed. What I am against is the mob justice kind of treatment these people are getting. They should be punished, I agree. But on the other hand, we must remember that even the worst of the villains deserve justice. In my opinion, the essaybay guys are petty offenders, but too bad for them. The defense wishes to rest.


You really sound scared!

Nope, your points are pointless. Of course AK pays taxes on what they earn from commissions. That proves nothing. We're still not their employees as far as taxes are concerned. We're clients just as the customers are also clients. Still don't know what C2C is, I see. I think even WRT sees that essaybay doesn't hire writers. :D


Corrupt feedback system my ass. We complained about the cheaters and Carly corrected the problem. What's corrupt about that?


Who else agrees with me that essyabay does not hire writers? Let's see...





Oh but they do, there are lots of people on Ebay who advertise product qualifications that are false, and there are many applicants who are allowed by elance to apply despite having faked their qualifications. Once they get caught, they get suspended or banned much like what happened to the people who faked their feedback at essaybay. Need I say more?

You lose again. Period.


LOL! Should private companies do that for all con artists like yourself?


May I just say that I disagree with any reprogramming that would add overhead costs and demand more commission from writers. The only thing you guys need to fix is the feedback system. It doesn't matter how many incompetent hacks you allow to register as writers, they won't get anywhere if the feedback system is solid. That's how C2C works.


Oh please, competent writers don't need to fabricate feedback, only losers do.


Again, the whole point of this is that the feedback system is supposed to set the standard for both quality and prices. For example, I am probably the best writer EB has. As a consequence, I am pretty certain that I've earned several times more from the site than anyone else. There are some writers who get to the top 10 every now and then with a handful of feedback, but they get dropped soon enough and don't return. So, it's really survival of the fittest.. just the way I like it. :D

Oh and Carly, it also wouldn't hurt if you incorporate the amount of feedback received to the average feedback when you post your top writers on the homepage. That would give clients a more accurate idea of who really are the most competent writers on the site.


The defense should have rested in peace a long time ago. :)

What gave me away? I need to know so I can work on those weaknesses.


Okay, a quick answer from you. Do you think these people should be paid?(Hint: they only falsified their CVs but got the job done). Yes or no?

Pity that the law does not agree with you. Misprepresentation for economic gain; falsification of docs, etc ... all quite serious. But why allow a little thing called `law' and `ethics' get in the way?

As for what the fraudulent cheats did - they signed on as customers, awarded themselves the job and fraudulently bolstered their ratings. They subsequently obtained work based on these ratings. So, you tell me ... should people who cheated their clients, EB and their fellow writers be paid or should the clients be refunded?


Essaybaywriter_05, Ben, writer123 (whatever), etc ... are incapable of `getting the job done.'


I do? How? Why? Am I associated with EB in any way, shape or form? No. Do I bid on EB projects? No. Do I care about the lack of ethics plaguing this industry? Yes, I do. Does the presence of unethical, incompetent, morons in this industry scare me? Yes, it does. When mentally incompetent fools parade themselves as `writers,' I consider it a disaster.

CV my foot. Those "people" fabricated feedback. Clients need to be able to rely on feedback from other clients when deciding on which writer to choose. Cheating on feedback is an unforgivable offense in a C2C business model so yeah, those who fabricated feedback deserve everything they got from Carly and her team. ^__^