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WritersBeware  
Sep 12, 2009 | #121
It is also possible that address was never mentioned on the site???????

You are correct. I cannot locate the evidence.
pheelyks  
Sep 12, 2009 | #122
America (the United States, that is) is VERY BIG

Actually, it IS bigger than India, but its relative size wasn't the issue. I'm not bragging (I think having a country this spread out is actually a bad idea), I'm demonstrating the logistical problems with your assumptions. If I knew how to say that so you'd understand it, I would.
Researcher  8 | 310  
Sep 12, 2009 | #123
Yes ... and he admitted it here, publicly. He did not need to. So, what does that tell you about the guy?

So that means so called great great legit companies of US and UK also deliver papers late and claim full amount from their buyers???? Pheelyks I am sure your company must have displayed on its site that " Orders are always delivered on time" or " You get this much % if order is delivered late??
pheelyks  
Sep 12, 2009 | #124
That means you completely failed to understand my argument.......

No, it means you failed to say anything either new or relevant. I agree that in general, an individual's basic nature doesn't change (there are circumstances where it can, I believe, but neither one of us is actually an expert in this field so let's drop that), but what if the hypothetical website owner (the imaginary guy that started this debate) was greedy, and trying two very different tactics to get people's money? Different behaviors, same nature...my point.
Researcher  8 | 310  
Sep 12, 2009 | #125
You are correct. I cannot locate the evidence.

So you think your claims are right???????????????????????????? Please make a public appology here for defaming a company and shooting a fake video..... This also proves that you post fake evidence and always make LOOOOOOOOOOOUDDDDDDDDDDD CLAIMS TO PROVE YOU WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
pheelyks  
Sep 12, 2009 | #126
Yes ... and he admitted it here, publicly. He did not need to. So, what does that tell you about the guy?

AND I knew the amount of crap I would end up getting for it.
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Sep 12, 2009 | #127
Not bigger than India,

Serious? Are you really serious?

So you think your claims are right?

Oh My God!!! x several trillion!
Researcher  8 | 310  
Sep 12, 2009 | #128
but what if the hypothetical website owner (the imaginary guy that started this debate) was greedy, and trying two very different tactics to get people's money?

Agreed.. but what i fail to understand is your assumptions behind this statement. EW never miss a chance to take your money away and A-R hardly do so.. my point is why anyone would take money from your left pocket and put it back in your right pocket.. this simply cannot be.... If i am here to earn money, I may devise different strategies but my motive will always be the same.....
pheelyks  
Sep 12, 2009 | #129
Pheelyks I am sure your company must have displayed on its site that " Orders are always delivered on time" or " You get this much % if order is delivered late??

I'm not a customer. I don't know what the site says. i do know that refunds have been offered for orders that are late (once for one of mine; my computer told me the paper had been uploaded but the system never got it; some weird glitch that's never been repeated--I don't know the first thing about computers). So, yes, the company does the right thing. So do I. It doesn't mean I'm perfect.
Researcher  8 | 310  
Sep 12, 2009 | #130
Serious? Are you really serious?

There are some dispute terroteries which India claims to own.. if you add them to India's overall area, it is bigger than US even.. For example, India claims to own Tibet (Mind you Dalai Lama is living in India) besides there are other states which are not technically associated with India but historically remained part of it..
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Sep 12, 2009 | #131
EW never miss a chance to take your money away and A-R hardly do so..

They are different companies. They really are different!
EW = Yuri
A-R = Alexei

They started out as partners years back ... had a falling out and went their VERY separate ways. They are different companies.
pheelyks  
Sep 12, 2009 | #132
hat i fail to understand is your assumptions behind this statement. EW never miss a chance to take your money away and A-R hardly do so..

You fail to understand a lot more than that, but this was never my point. You made a blanket statement that no website owner would ever use two different strategies for two different websites. I imagined several scenarios where one might and the reasons behind them, and then I started arguing with you.
Researcher  8 | 310  
Sep 12, 2009 | #133
It doesn't mean I'm perfect.

So are Bestessays.com and Academia- research's of the world.. we are all the same.. so why we are trying to point fingers on others when we are also of the same nature...........
WritersBeware  
Sep 12, 2009 | #134
This also proves that you post fake evidence and always make LOO

SIKE!

From October 26, 2007:

bestessays.com reston

Researcher, you are officially the second biggest idiot to ever sully this forum, trailing only chacha.
pheelyks  
Sep 12, 2009 | #135
There are some dispute terroteries which India claims to own.. if you add them to India's overall area, it is bigger than US even..

Still no. India (without the disputed territories, whatever they may be) is only about a third the size of the US (undisputed). It would have to add over six million km/sq in area to equal the US. That's most of Australia, or almost 15% of the remainder of Asia (not counting what's already India, that is).

In addition, the US is also slightly bigger than mainland China. And if you want to start getting into territories, let's not forget Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and I'm pretty sure there are some more....

You call yourself Researcher, but all of this only took me two minutes to find online. Have you ever tried living up to your name?

So are Bestessays.com and Academia- research's of the world.. we are all the same.. so why we are trying to point fingers on others when we are also of the same nature...........

Not a valid comparison. I am almost always on time, and ALWAYS deliver a quality product. these companies might be on time (but often aren't), and their papers are usually s-i* (because people like you write them). Not being perfect isn't the same as usually being terrible.
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Sep 12, 2009 | #136
There are some dispute terroteries which India claims to own.. if you add them to India's overall area, it is bigger than US even

Okay ... okay ... I am sorry I ever engaged in this debate ... truly, truly sorry. I had no idea that we would argue internationally recognised state borders and, while at it, redraw the world map. I'
pheelyks  
Sep 12, 2009 | #137
Okay ... okay ... I am sorry I ever engaged in this debate ...

Take a breather, OR. I got this (that's vernacular; a slang construction acceptable in most of the US, for you grammarians out there).
WritersBeware  
Sep 12, 2009 | #138
that's vernacular; a slang

Did you like my "sike"?
Researcher  8 | 310  
Sep 12, 2009 | #139
SIKE!

From October 26, 2007:

This URL is fake.. here it what it returns
"ERROR
The requested URL could not be retrieved

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

While trying to retrieve the URL: web.archive.org/web/20071026010554/bestessays

The following error was encountered:

Access Denied.
Access control configuration prevents your request from being allowed at this time. Please contact your service provider if you feel this is incorrect.

Your cache administrator is webmaster.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

Generated Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:01:01 GMT by ia310702.us.archive.org (squid/2.6.STABLE14) "
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Sep 12, 2009 | #140
Take a breather, OR. I got this

He is a researcher - he writes English language academic researches!
Researcher  8 | 310  
Sep 12, 2009 | #141
Not a valid comparison. I am almost always on time, and ALWAYS deliver a quality product.

I can understand your urge to defend yourself with such arguments..
WritersBeware  
Sep 12, 2009 | #142
This URL is fake.. here it what it returns

You typed the URL incorrectly, idiot. You don't add " " to the front of a sub-domain URL. I don't think I've ever come across someone who is so completely clueless at everything.

web.archive.org/web/20071026010554/bestessays.com
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Sep 12, 2009 | #143
Pleeeaaaase ... someone respond to the URL post up there. Cannot explain basics ... refuse to explain basics!
Researcher  8 | 310  
Sep 12, 2009 | #144
You typed the URL incorrectly.

Your video was shot in September 2008 and you are posting an evidence which is showing the address in 2007??? secondly, the toll free numbers mentioned on two sites are different at least for US... did they changed that too??

It is also possible that they have relocated from that address and it was later on occupied and developed by UPS???
WritersBeware  
Sep 12, 2009 | #145
First of all, your response is utterly irrelevant. You claimed that the address NEVER existed on bestessays.com[DND*]. You're an idiotic liar, and I proved it. Plus, currently, the oldest archive of the page is - web.archive.org/web/20080209191059/bestessays.com[DND*]/ - February 9, 2008.

Secondly, I chose that particular screenshot from October 26, 2007 because it marks the last archived image of the fraudsters using "2002-2006" (which is false, as the site wasn't even registered until much later in 2003) in the footer. Shortly after October 26, 2007, the crooks further falsified their experience by changing it to "1997-2007" in order to take advantage of their "decade of experience" marketing campaign. They added 6 years of experience overnight'how about that?! Time-traveling bastards!

It is also possible that they have relocated from that address and it was later on occupied and developed by UPS???

Um, no. Shut up already.

"bestessays.com, 11654 Plaza America Dr. #365"

Following is a picture of the "365" box that is currently inside of the UPS Store located at 11654 Plaza America Dr. in Reston, VA:

img118.imageshack.us/img118/9628/ups21oz7.jpg - ups box 365

More evidence is available in the original thread.
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Sep 12, 2009 | #146
"365" box currently inside of the UPS Store located at 11654 Plaza America Dr. in Reston, VA:

So ... the office is in the box. They hold fire drills in the box. Their writers are in that box. WB, all you did was prove that there is 11654 Plaza America Dr. #365. Can you prove that Best Essays is not located in that box???? I thought so ... you can't! There goes your so-called `verifiable evidence.'
WritersBeware  
Sep 12, 2009 | #147
Haha, ya got me! I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you pesky kids and that dog!
prowriter  - | 9  
Sep 15, 2009 | #148
Actually, I have a friend who just filed a fraud complain with his card company. Turns out, ghostpapers.com is an offshore company and get this - there are mounting complaints and evidence against them for tax evasion and these fraud filings or requests for refunds all is getting filed. They set up phoney fronts in the states but by setting up in the U.S. at all makes you liable to pay taxes.

So, my suggestion to everyone is that when you get ripped off, file these complaints. Not only is there a good chance you will get your money back if you used a credit card that has fraud protection services, but you will also help get these guys nailed.

If the company is not really a U.S company and claiming to be one on their site, through advertising whatever, there are other actions the govt. will take such as not allowing U.S companies such as paypal etc. to accept them.

This is why these guys set up multiple companies and web sites in case one gets shut down. It is funny because they think they are ripping people off not giving refunds or whatever but in the long run they will get caught though if they own multiple sites they may not care.

FYI - same things goes for you guys who do not get paid. If they claim to you they are US based you can file charges if you are not paid. Not sure about the offshore ones but if they use pay services in the U.S. then you have some options.
WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2009 | #149
Hey, prowriter, you should investigate the biggest fraudsters of them all essaywriters.net. The so-called "company" is based in Ukraine, but the owner claims that the company is "American." There are literally hundreds of complaints online from both customers and writers.

Hmmm, when a "company" sets up pseudo-residences in multiple countries, can that company play each country against one another by claiming to "not be located domestically" in order to avoid paying taxes to ALL of the countries? I think this calls for further investigation.
prowriter  - | 9  
Sep 15, 2009 | #150
What is funny is that these companies coculd make money with less headache by selling legit papers. There are so many writers, good ones, available and would like to do the work and there is a strong market for it. So many people with families and full time jobs go back to school in this economy and need degrees but do not always have time to do all the research and writing. For a reputable company, people will pay and word of mouth always creates new business. It is a shame that one scam company can make all get a bad name.
WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2009 | #151
What is funny is that these companies coculd make money with less headache by selling legit papers.

That would require Yuri at EssayWriters.net to do two things (both of which he has proven to be unwilling to do):

1. Hire only native English-speaking, culturally-aware, American writers (with MA or PhD degrees) who demand a bare minimum of $10 per page (250-275 words).

2. Never steal and unfairly dock writers' pay.

Truly qualified writers are few and far between in the essay industry, and impossible to keep around if a site owner abuses them or pays them poorly. On the other hand, s-i*ty, unqualified, ESL writers are a dime-a-dozen and often too desperate for income to voice dismay at being screwed.

Laws, business ethics, and trust obviously do not carry anywhere near as much importance as PROFIT.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 15, 2009 | #152
Hire only native English-speaking, culturally-aware, American writers (with MA or PhD degrees)

Right... and leave competent writers who just happen to not be Americans out of the picture. :) Sorry, it's way too late for that. Like it or not, the "native English-speaking, culturally-aware, American writers (with MA or PhD degrees)" have to share today's essay mill market with us English-speaking, culturally-aware, foreign writers (with MSc or PhD degrees).

Is that alright with you, prowriter?
prowriter  - | 9  
Sep 15, 2009 | #153
I think if a writer is competent then nationality or even degrees are irrelevant. Having an advanced degree does not necessarily make someone a good writer. Someone can have a great dela of knowledge in a specific field of study and this does not mean they can write well or have strong grammar skills.

I would think if English is not your first language then it increases the difficulty but to claim it is impossible is an unfair statement.

Again, I revert to pricing. If you pay $8.99 a page, you are going to get errors in the paper and I don't care where the person lives or what the native language is. If you are looking at $20 a page then I would not expect to see errors.

There are other issues too. You want a 5 page paper in two days - no problem. You want a 30 page paper in 3 days, well the writer is going to cut corners somewhere to get that done in time. Even for the best writer that is asking a lot. Just doing research and reading through sources for a paper of that length is going to take hours.

You know the old adage - if it sounds to good to be true.....
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 15, 2009 | #154
Great. How about you pheelyks, rusty, and FreelanceWriter (Lav too if you're still out there)? You folks alright with us foreign writers getting in on the action?
pheelyks  
Sep 15, 2009 | #155
Even for the best writer that is asking a lot. Just doing research and reading through sources for a paper of that length is going to take hours.

I typically write around twenty pages a day. If you're really good at this work, that isn't really asking a whole lot. You learn how to pull the necessary information out of a source without spending hours reading it; this earned me a 4.0 in college and hasn't led to any substantial complaints in my chosen profession.

If I took two days to complete a five page assignment, I would be making less than minimum wage. I think most customers understand (at least they should) that in many circumstances they are getting a much better paper than they could write within a certain timeframe, but not necessarily an excellent piece of scholarship. If they think that the $100 they spent is going to get someone with an MA/MS or Ph.D. to spend two full days researching and crafting an original paper, they need to think again.

By the way, the above does not apply to all situations. I was specifically thinking of research papers; response essays and literary analyses tend to be much easier to complete. If I could fill my day writing essays on poetry, I'd be a millionaire.
WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2009 | #156
Someone can have a great dela of knowledge in a specific field of study and this does not mean they can write well or have strong grammar skills.

Bingo!
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 16, 2009 | #158
response essays and literary analyses

I love these things. :D

all you need is the juice.

Hey, I asked you a question. :p

How about you pheelyks, rusty, and FreelanceWriter (Lav too if you're still out there)? You folks alright with us foreign writers getting in on the action?

WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2009 | #159
You folks alright with us foreign writers getting in on the action?

For the umpteenth time, stop asking overly simplified questions. I am 100% in favor of QUALIFIED, ESL writers working in the industry, as long as they do not promote and/or knowingly enable fraud and/or illegal activity.
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Sep 16, 2009 | #160
A quick post as running around in circles :(

ESL Writers - I am all for hiring them as long as they are academically and linguistically qualified. Talking about qualifications, do any know how many fit the bill? Most all are under the mistaken assumption that they are perfectly qualified but very few actually are. A few days ago I conducted four telephone interviews with some who sent in wonderfully impressive resumes:

1) One had evidently taken a "verb and preposition massacre" vow;
2) Another injected "hey man" and "cheers mate" into every other sentence (even when it made no sense)
3) A third claimed that he had graduated 4 months ago but when I asked him to send in a scanned copy of his certificate, I was told that the university only distributed them 8 months after graduation ... so, I had to hire him now and wait another 4 months to see proof of his academic qualifications (as if ...)

4) A fourth spoke very very proper English and there were no glaring language mistakes but he was obviously ESL.

I am open to ESL writers and have a handful of EXCELLENT AND ABSOLUTELY PERFECT ones with us but they are the exception, not the rule. Finding good ESL writers is not easy at all.

So, being for ESL writers does not imply a willingness to accept any. The problem is that the majority hire just about any and do not seem at all bothered by their obvious lack of qualifications. That does not mean that all should follow suit or that we need to accept `the reality of the infiltration of ESL writers' into the industry. I do not accept it and will never accept the presence of any researcher/writer who lacks the relevant academic and linguistic qualifications in this industry. This has nothing to do with nationality at all - it has to do with a person's having, or not having, the requisite skills.




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