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Freelance writing - is it ethical (from writer's perspective)?



pheelyks  
Jun 09, 2009 | #41
Your mistake occurred because you are a foreign writer. There's no shame in it; I cannot write a grammatically correct sentence in any language other than English, but I also don;t claim to be an expert writer in any other languages.

I don't think that your clients would appreciate you making these mistakes on your writings as well, right?

I'm not sure what this means.

And there are some foreign sounding errors.

also don;t claim

See there's a typo (one of my most common)--I accidentally hit a key that was right next to the key I was aiming for. I didn't type the longer word "doesn't." And no, I didn't do this for effect, but it did work out nicely.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Jun 09, 2009 | #42
Did you also "accidentally hit a key that was right next to the key (you were) aiming for" here? :p

Making mistakes is nothing to be ashamed about, period. ^_^
WritersBeware  
Jun 09, 2009 | #43
I could provide you with a virtually endless stream of proof that your employer's writers consistently deliver CRAP to customers. The evidence is all over the Internet. There's a huge difference between a legitimate, American company going out of its way to please the occasionally upset customer and a foreign ripoff company employing outright fraud and deception as the cornerstone of its business model-and then offering only a 30% refund when BUSTED!
pheelyks  
Jun 09, 2009 | #44
Did you also "accidentally hit a key that was right next to the key (you were) aiming for" here? :p

If you're referring to the missing apostrophe in "it's," then no, I did not it the wrong key. Apparently I missed hitting the key altogether or didn't hit it hard enough. This is generally the case when there are too few characters, rather than too many.

Making mistakes is nothing to be ashamed about, period.

Very true. What's your point?
WritersBeware  
Jun 09, 2009 | #45
Wow... 0.002% huh... see here's where all the evidence showing stops and the tall stories begin.

Really? What's inaccurate? The number of writers? The percentage? The fact that you have repeatedly bragged about being the "best writer" at both essaywriters.net and EB? The fact that at least two of the writers referenced in the article have already QUIT due to low pay (which kind of makes you look like a complete idiot for using their employment as justification for claiming that essaywriters.net employs "quality" writers)? The fact that I already pointed out the weaknesses of the other writers referenced in the article? Be specific, please.

Your mistake occurred because you are a foreign writer.

Bingo!
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Jun 09, 2009 | #46
Apparently I missed hitting the key altogether or didn't hit it hard enough.

Riiight....

Look, I've really got no time to argue with you. You say that foreign companies should shape up and stop hiring unqualified writers. I agree. You say you understand that competent foreign writers such as myself have no other option but to work for foreign companies given the strict employment regulations in the states that American companies have to abide with. Great. You say I made that error in my writing because I'm ESL. I disagree but don't really see why I should argue any further. ^_^

I don't need to explain anything. Students who read the article you gave would see exactly what I mean. Have a nice day. :P
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Jun 10, 2009 | #47
I am sure there are many ESL/EFL writers who perform quality work, but the companies themselves don't really care

With reference to the Ukranian gangsters - not only don't they care, they would not know quality if it hit them in the face. Essay site owners such as Yuri and Alexey can barely write a sensible sentence and their admin staff are nothing other than a disaster. How can people who barely speak English and are incapable of understanding the simplest of sentences judge quality?
pheelyks  
Jun 10, 2009 | #48
Very true, OR. This is the prime reason that I have faced so many disputes working for UVO; a customer will request additional info after the paper is turned in and they don;t have a staff that recognize when I fulfilled the original oder description.

I just screwed myself out of $100 by swearing at them in an email and publishing a paper online; they've disabled my account (again, and this time probably for good) and won't respond to emails. Small price to pay if I can ward off future customers and writers from this inept crooks.
OxbridgeResearchers  5 | 722 ☆☆  
Jun 10, 2009 | #50
I cannot write a grammatically correct sentence in any language other than English.

Good one :) You really hit the nail on the head. One doesn't have to be a native speaker to take up writing in English as a profession but THEIR ENGLISH MUST BE AS GOOD AS A NATIVE'S.
Smiley73  4 | 591 ☆☆  
Nov 10, 2017 | #51
Ethical WriterAre we doing ethical work as freelance writers?

I guess the response to that question lies within the very definition of the word Ethics. Ethics, for all intents and purposes is defined as "a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct." There are the keywords right there "Right or wrong conduct". Let's see, when a parent hires a tutor for his child, the tutor helps the child learn his lessons either by further explaining the lesson or by helping him accomplish the homework or projects that are related to his class.

Consider also, that some parents actually do the homework or projects of their children. The tutor gets paid to help. The parents do it for free. Nobody complains what a tutor is helping a student cheat when he practically does the project for the child. Nobody says a parent cheats the system when the parent does the whole project for the child. Yet, based upon ethical principles, what these two people did is wrong. However society sees nothing wrong with it. As a paid academic writer, the employee is doing the same thing, assisting in the completion of an academic task for a fee. The same thing a tutor does.

So, where is the ethical violation there? From my perspective, as a former academic writer, the work being done, based on the evidence provided, indicates that an academic writer is doing an ethical activity. The conduct of the academic writer is right and not wrong because he is offering a service for a fee, thereby justifying the action as ethical. It is not wrong to help someone with his lessons or to get ahead in his class. Otherwise tutors would be out of a job and parents would be in jail for writing book reports for their kids or having their office staff complete the more complex class projects.

Yep, I truly believe that academic writers are doing an ethical job.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Nov 10, 2017 | #52
If they're just using our projects as models for their own writing the way they're intended, there's no ethical issue. However, if students are actually submitting our work for academic credit, it's not comparable to tutors because tutors just provide the same services as school teachers; they're not taking exams or writing essays instead of their students.
ProfessorVerb  35 | 829   ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Nov 10, 2017 | #53
Full disclosure: I tried to help my younger daughter learn how to read and write at an early age and we spent many hours in the enterprise. She learned to read at 3 years with Green Eggs and Ham (Sam I am!). When we enrolled her in a public school kindergarten, they placed her in the 2nd grade reading program. She zoomed past those kids so we sent her to private school and never looked back.

By the time she entered middle school, she could write better than me (but not faster). For my part, I couldn't write a word until I got back from Southeast Asia at 20 and then it was easier -- and then it was fun -- and then it was profitable. I threw ethics out the window long ago but respect what you are saying. My point I guess is that I wish I had a tutor back then when writing was still scary -- because it's not and what you think IS important.
Write Review  1 | 546 ☆☆  
Dec 21, 2018 | #54
Freelance writing, for all intents and purposes, is considered an ethical job. It is a job that does not require a person to have an employer, punch the clock, and join the rat race. Instead, it offers the writer freedom when it comes to his employment requirements such as working hours, salary earner per project, and limited working expenses such as the cost of transportation, meal allowances, clothing requirements, etc. These are what makes the job logical in today's world that has expenses costing more than cab fare in some instances.

As for moral principles, you are confusing the freelance writing occupation with academic freelance writing. Simply freelance writing does not violate any ethical or moral standards because there is an employer on the other end who needs to be satisfied by the work of the writer. The gray area, or the question of "ethics" comes in with the consideration of the work done by an "academic" freelance writer. That is a totally different discussion. Do not use a generalized occupational term when you have a specific writing field in mind.
lmmortal  2 | 19   Student
Dec 28, 2018 | #55
Modern universities are degree mills, warrenger.com/university-of-manchester-degree-not-education/. They know it, we know it, let's not beat about the bush
wordsies  5 | 389     Freelance Writer
Dec 29, 2018 | #56
No, it's not completely ethical - but I don't think there is a single job out there that is completely ethical - except brewers, brewers rock. But, then again, neither is pumping students' heads full of nonsensical ideas. Modern university does not teach, it sells. That is a sad state of affairs, but it's true whether we want to admit it or not. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of talent out there, and some of my clients are excellent students who just can't write. But most are just lost - and I mean completely lost - working two jobs just to pay for tuition, with no free time, no life, and no way forward without that piece of paper.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jan 01, 2019 | #57
To a large degree, modern universities rely on writing assignments instead of teaching. If they restricted academic writing assignments to students whose career paths actually required a significant amount of writing (let alone research writing), this entire industry would probably all but disappear in a flash.
Study Review  - | 254  
Oct 31, 2019 | #58
Generally, what is agreed upon is the fact that academic writing is in the grey area when discussing the ethical angle of the work. It would depend on the writer providing the service how they wish to perceive the work that they do. Personally, my exposure to numerous clients who simply struggle with balancing work and school made me believe that the educational system was structured in an unfair manner. The unnecessary workload for certain programs can definitely lead others to believe that the work that they put out is nothing compared to the actual degree. I have had clients who were studying tech courses, however they were mandated to take up an extra course in the humanities. In this instance, then I definitely side with the idea of academic writing, especially because you are looking at things from the perspective of the clients themselves. The major difference of academic writing sites from regular writing services is that the intent and purpose of the work is a calculated response to a circumstance. Still, in that regard, it is up to the client to decide whether or not these issues are relevant.
Cite  2 | 1853 ☆☆☆  
Jan 29, 2020 | #59
If a freelance writer is paying his taxes, contributing to a personal version of a 401K, has social security coverage, and pays for health insurance out of his own pocket, then yes, I would say the writer is working at an ethical job. The working landscape has changed tremendously over the early 21st century. The gig economy is now a norm that one can be proud of doing. It is no longer frowned upon nor seen an unethical. These days, freelance writers are seen by most as "living the life" all because we don't have to tie ourselves down to a regular 9-5 job. Other people wish they could write as well as we do so they could join the bandwagon. A freelance writer's job is as ethical as it can be.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jan 31, 2020 | #60
I understand what you're saying, but technically, whether or not a writer pays taxes is irrelevant to the issue of the underlying ethics of any job, because the IRS specifically requires that you pay income tax on all sources of income, (expressly) including illegal sources of income. Obviously, choosing to pay your taxes or to avoid paying your taxes is an ethical issue, but one that's entirely unrelated to how you earn that income. Likewise, doing things in one's own interest (such as contributing to a retirement account and buying health insurance) is also unrelated to the ethics of how someone earns a living. Arguably, there are plenty of traditional jobs that are perfectly legal but raise legitimate ethical issues, such as political lobbying for the benefit of industries and to the detriment of the general public affected by the results of that lobbying, talking people into buying stocks that brokers know full well to be of highly-questionable real value as investments, and choosing to represent people who are likely guilty of terrible crimes (as private defense attorneys vs. court-appointed attorneys). When it comes to earning a living as an academic writer, the main delineation between ethical writers and unethical writers, in my opinion, is simply that the former provide their clients with exactly what their clients pay them for while the latter rip off their clients in any of several typical ways. Any ethical issues related to what their clients choose to do with the product is on their clients and not under the writer's control, much as is the case with manufacturers of alcoholic beverages and firearms and what their customers choose to do with their products.




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