The Hierarchy System within Essay Writing Companies

Facts don't have party lines or employer bias. While there might be a conflict of interest in having a government official investigate frauds in an industry with which they have former ties (something that happens all the time, actually), when it comes to private individuals this "conflict of interest" is not an impropriety, but merely a source of potential bias.

When it comes to providing factual evidence regarding frauds, such as companies claiming to hire only native writers on their customer service sites yet quite clearly employing individuals from locations like Jordan, the Ukraine, Pakistan, and other second world countries where labor is cheap, attacking the evidence-provider's credibility is without logical merit. It's called an ad hominem attack, and its one of the most common and basic logical fallacies.

Would you care to address the issue of the continued lack of evidence or basic logic in your posts?

I just want to know why your boss stopped answering.

anyway, thanks for recognizing the potential source of bias-- although I would argue that many people in South Asia speak and write in better, more nuanced English than native speakers do.

Why do you keep ignoring my direct challenges to provide evidence to support your accusations against me? I cannot "address" an accusation that has no basis in reality and no supporting evidence against which to formulate the rebuttal that you demand. Sorry, moron. Unlike gravity, we have to see your evidence to know that it exists.

I notice that you're not saying, "I don't work for ET;" as usual, it's just, "prove that I do."

you don't want to admit it? you think you're being cagey? that's fine. so, who do you work for?

Gosh, the more you say that the more it hurts! Stop! Oh, please!


And I would argue that evidence is necessary when making such an assertion and expecting others to believe it.


Who does number two work for??!?

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I have stated that about 1,000,000 times-throughout this forum-since 2007. Learn how to read and/or use the search box, you ignorant individual. You merely stole the baseless accusation from another fraudulent, clueless idiot.


NEWSFLASH: The accuser has the burden of proof. I don't have to prove that I don't do something that you falsely claim (without any evidence whatsoever, of course) that I do. The whole "negatives" thing is a problem for morons like you, given your obvious lack of education.

another dodge into insults... and this time, surprisingly, elitism. you're the last guy I'd expect to hide behind elitism, WB, given your generally lowbrow tone. so, do you need me to repeat the question?

This is all you have left for me, anymore, so it's a little silly of you to be complaining about the same treatment from others (and yes, I know your post was directed at WB; public forum blah blah blah)

And if by "elitism" you're referring to the fact that WB has lumped you together with other cretins and morons, she's rather apt (though figurative) in this analysis; if you're referring to placing herself above the burden of proof, which she places on your shoulders, she is also correct according to the rules of logic, which are pretty straightforward on this point.

Do you come across as ignorant and stupid because you are blind, or do you come across as blind because you are ignorant and stupid?

glad you're back, WB. do you want me to repeat the question? I'm getting kind of sick of it.

here's a clue: it wasn't who don't you work for.

Leran how to use the quote function, you babbling, incoherent idiot.


Oh, please do. I'll be glad to quote when/where I already answered it.

for whom do you work, if not ET? and if not in the industry, why the obsessive interest, and how the extensive knowledge?

Sorry, assh*le. We'll deal with one issue at a time.

1. You never "asked a question." You have repeatedly ACCUSED me of working for a site, which I have flatly denied countless times in the past. Instead of admitting that you LIED and have NO PROOF (after having been beaten to a bloody pulp for your utter lack of evidence to support your accusation), you've taken the sniveling coward's way out by molding your ACCUSATION into the form of a question.

2. After having schooled you on why your same, cowardly accusation in the form of a question requires me to I prove a negative, you have somehow managed to get even MORE cowardly by switching to an altogether different question.

3. My employer, completely outside of-and unrelated to-the essay industry, has absolutely no bearing on my participation in this forum.

How does it feel to be e-castrated (for Mac-lovers, "iCastrated")?

Your sidetracking "question" is irrelevant, but you already know as much.


I am a professional writer. Incompetence pisses me off. Fraudulent/unqualified writers/companies give my profession a bad name. In my free time, I enjoy systematically dismantling liars, fraudsters, impostors, and know-nothings like you.


Wait-didn't you just recently assert that don't know anything and don't help anybody?

well, WB, no matter what I ask, or what I say,

1. you're going to keep pretending to be a lady (have you ever heard of a lady as obsessed with using male genitalia in "her" insults as WB? because I'd like to meet her). that's OK-- it's the 21st century and all.

2. you're going to keep denying your connections to ET, about which there is no proof (as you won't admit working for them), but a lot of circumstantial evidence (see who's fastest to the rescue on any post criticizing ET).

what a farce. it's lucky for you that the average customer in this industry is as dumb as a bag of hammers, and can't see through this con-game masquerading as an objective watchdog site.

Again, where's your proof? Even if that were true (which it absolutely is not), how is my gender relevant? Would my gender make my substantive assertions any less true and/or verifiable? On a related note, why can't you quote a single, "false" assertion that I have made against ANY site/company? I have challenged you to do so numerous times. I have contributed over 7,100 posts and dozens of threads. Do you even have a spine?


Can you please quote my "obsessive" (i.e., many) insults involving male genitalia?


Wow, tiny man finally admits that he LIED and MISREPRESENTED as fact that which he cannot prove and for which he has absolutely no evidence of any kind.

So, by your logic, everyone who has ever responded to defend ET, either before or at the same time as me, must be paid by ET to do so, right? Do you really want to go there? Think carefully. (I know that's difficult for you.)

Since you seem to be the one who is obsessed with and jealous of ET (I never, never, never mention ET), can you please reference a thread in which I have been proven out-of-line for having questioned particular "criticism" of ET (or any other site that I have defended)?


Indeed, your purported knowledge and reasoning skills are farcical.


No-just you.


Ah, so now you're transitioning, yet again, to another accusation. I'm the owner of (or work for) this site. hah?

I never said I could prove it... I just asked you to admit it. have it your way. just know this: you're the coward... and the main reason this place stinks.

That would be your crotch-rot.

balls, crotch rot, castration... not very ladylike! you need some acting lessons, if you really want to pull this off.

When I point out your errors, I am being stupid. When you do this, you're the great linguist, the Native Speaker! Wow! I can see your double standard. Shame!

When have you actually pointed out an error of mine that wasn't a simple typo? You claim to see errors in my posts and my logic, yet you never actually cite any....


There's no double standard. I list your errors when I point them out, and they are frequently repeated and quite obviously NOT typos. **** off.

So you are a professional writer that don't write for anyone? Or what? Oxi-moronism ;-). The certain is that you lie one way or another. Make up your mind:

WritersBeware: I am a professional writer.

but also:

WritersBeware: I don't write papers for students

WritersBeware: I'm not a writer for any essay company

WritersBeware: I don't write for students

WritersBeware: I don't write papers for ANYONE

WritersBeware: I'm not a writer for any essay company

WritersBeware: I do not write for essay sites

so, Mr. Manners... who's your publisher? Yahoo!Answers?

Stu4, you're a moron. None of the statements you have quoted are contradictory; professional writers exist in a lot of industries where they wouldn't write "papers" or "essays." You're a complete d-bag.

As a long-time writer for SNR (more than 11 years now), I joined this forum thinking I could share my experiences with other writing services that have not treated me nearly as well (i.e., Junglepage). After reviewing a few of the threads, though, I was alarmed at how quickly these discussions turn nasty with personal attacks being the norm -- even in response to legitimate questions. I think I'll take my interests and membership somewhere else where people are more friendly.

Dear ProfessorVerb:
Your observation is right to a great extent. But you must also have noted that there are some specific contributors on this forum who take no time in using the language that cannot be regarded appropriate.

Learn how to write a decent fu**-n sentence in English, for fu*-'s sake.

haha, yeah, i know it is really late to post this comment on yours, but you should not concern yourself with form over substance.

As with any industry, yes, there is a hierarchy. A new writer will not (or should not) be assigned the same level or frequency of orders as someone who has been with the company for some time. While a writer generally has to provide samples of his/her writing when applying, this doesn't really tell the company what you can do for its customers. The samples simply show what is possible. For all the company knows, someone else wrote your samples or you had someone edit them... or they belong to someone else altogether. After you've been assigned a few orders and the company and sees what you can do, as long as the clients are happy, you will start to get more work. More than likely, if the customers are pleased, they will start to request you. Your client base will grow as will your income. It doesn't happen overnight, but as as long as you provide quality papers on time, you will move up. As long as your quality is consistent (meaning good writing with consistent improvements or excellent writing), you may move up quickly. A good company's objective is to make the customer happy so that they return and refer others. If you have a hand in that process, you're going to rise in the ranks. :)

In my experience, there typically isn't really any "hierarchy" of writing talent at essay companies, although the talent level and experience does vary tremendously from writer to writer. Generally, every order simply gets posted onto one assignment board by the automatic system; and any writer with an account can take it, or any other order, on a first-come/first-served basis. The people who run the essay companies usually know who their best writers are and will sometimes ask them to take specific orders with a payout bonus, such as where those orders are for their own friends or family members, or for customers who contact them asking for help finding the right writer. Sometimes we accept those projects and other times we don't.

At one essay company whose owner recruited me directly from here in 2009 or 2010, writers were assigned various designations (such as "Silver," "Gold," and "Platinum"); but I believe those designations only determined the payout rate rather than restricting which projects were available to them. I don't really know because I was immediately assigned their highest level.

How lucky you are FLW, that you never had to start at the bottom with any job that you held. You must have caught all the luck in the world or, you must have come across some pretty gullible people at these companies who were immediately impressed with you, never considering if you were merely overstating your qualifications and if you were really telling them the truth about your importance in almost all government fields in the USA. Go ahead and keep believing in your stories, it might eventually become true, in your own mind and in the mind of people you successfully bully, thinking it makes you a better writer and the better choice for people looking for a writer to do their work.

There is a ranking system in all companies. The new writers have to prove themselves first. Based on the rate of repeat clients, revisions, refunds, and positive reviews, that writer could see himself getting promoted in as little as 3 months, or as long as 2 years. The better the client reception to the writer work, the faster that writer climbs the ranks. Yes, the rank dictates the increase in CPP, types of orders available, bonuses, and other considerations meant to keep writers happy. Eventually, these writers stop writing and become team leaders, in charge of other writers at the company. Some, opt to spin off into their own company at that point.

Those who choose to stay become the backbone of the company, having proven their worth over the years. A promotion never just falls into the lap of a writer. Neither is he hired at the top of the writer ranking upon entry either. He always has to prove himself first. Nobody, unless he owns the company, starts at the very top. Oh wait, you own your writing company right? So you did start at the top. Since there were no other writers in the pool for you to compete with. I guess you don't know how to compete which is why you worked for yourself instead.

Writing promotion and the system of promoting are topics you will never understand. All because you refuse to admit that you are not as efficient a writer as you claim to be. There is no evidence of that at this forum. Nobody is singing your praises, so stop thinking you are the universe's gift to the writing industry. Don't think of yourself too highly as a writing icon, the fall might just might end your career.

I don't know what brought on that very nasty personal attack, because I have never said anything about you, personally. I have strongly disagreed with some of your arguments and conclusions and with some of your advice; and I've explained (several times) that what you posted about "automatic" copyright transfer under US law is patently incorrect. However, all of those were purely objective arguments without any ad hominem attacks, whatsoever.


It wasn't luck. When I applied to an essay company for the first time in 2003, I provided my resume and some writing samples and they offered me their standard contract and pay rate for new writers and I responded that I just wasn't interested in working for that pay rate. Then, they agreed to start me out at their highest rate because of my law degree and writing samples; but they also told me that: (1) my work would have to be top-notch to maintain that rate, and (2) my pay rate could never increase because I was already starting at their highest rate. The second company for which I wrote recruited me directly from this forum and indicated that they intended to start me at their highest pay rate, which they called their "Platinum" or "Titanium" level. I never applied for a position with them or sent them a resume or samples; they contacted me totally unsolicited through the direct messaging system here, starting in late 2010.


The first essay company to which I applied predated my US federal government job. When I applied for a Writer/Editor position (GS-1082) for a US federal government agency, I simply applied on the USA.gov website and supplied all the documentation that system required; then, I sat for an interview and took a writing test at 26 Federal Plaza, administered by the person who eventually became my supervisor. When I got the position, he mentioned that there had been 400 applicants for the position and that the reviewers in Washington said that I'd done exceptionally well on their writing test. I have never suggested that I was particularly "important" as a government writer or within any "government field," let alone fields, plural.


There was no formal ranking system at the company for which I wrote the most company projects in between 2003 and 2013. All orders simply got posted on the company assignment board and any writer could take any order he wanted. Their only "request" system relied on the honor system and consisted of nothing more than a note on the project indicating which writer had been requested by the client. Other writers were stealing those requests so often, that I suggested that something more than the honor system was necessary. Eventually, they did implement that suggestion and only requested writers were able to see those orders for a few hours. I suppose there was something of an informal "ranking" in the form of requests directly from Admin by email asking me to do projects for their friends and family that weren't posted on the assignment board and in the form of emails asking me to consider a much higher payout than was posted on the board for other difficult projects that were lingering on the assignment board.


Actually, I did quite well competing against (hundreds) of other company writers and I know from another writer who used to post here that when he first contacted them about writing for them, they specifically mentioned me and my approximate annual earnings from them in response to his question about how much he could expect to earn in a year. Until 2010, I simply did all of my independent business using my AOL email address without any website. When an undisclosed essay-company principal who used to do everything possible here to direct customers to essay companies and away from freelancers created a thread essentially announcing to all prospective customers that no legit writers ever did business under their AOL emails and that they shouldn't trust any writers without a website, I had no choice but to create one.


I've never claimed to be any kind of expert at promotion. Aside from my posts themselves, there's actually plenty of evidence right on this forum about the quality of my work, mainly from satisfied clients and also from several of my legitimate competitors who know my work and with whom I always maintained an amicable and professional relationship, despite being direct competitors for some of the same prospective customers. Those testimonials are posted right in my review thread.

These reviews are on my profile and they were added by the Admin here, not by me:

Review ID: 848282420 ★★★★★ (Excellent)
Feedback from New Client on 2 Political Psychology Projects
Charles-

Would just like to say thank you for the professional service, prompt delivery and awesome experience. I found you on essayscam message boards and I am glad I did, because I almost used one of those offshore websites that look flashy but end up delivering people subpar work.

I will be posting on the forum giving a review once the quarter is over.
Hope you have a great month and holiday season!
Review ID: 842321084 ★★★★★ (Excellent)
Feedback from Client on First of Many Subsequent Undergraduate Psychology & Communications Projects
Charles,

I want to thank you for all your hard on our project. Your truly are an amazing writer.
I would like to apologize for my panic yesterday. Please do not hold it against me for any future projects.
How do you have the patience with first timers?
Again my sincere gratitude.
Review ID: 839787241 ★★★★★ (Excellent)
Feedback from Client on Two Diferent PhD Dissertations (Ancient Roman Law & Medieval Art)
Hi Charles !!!

First, given your experience & talent in the field, you no doubt have many grateful clients. I would like to add to that pool, by letting you know that both dissertations you wrote for me did extremely well and I am floored. This year was an immensely difficult year for me and getting through this degree means a great deal to me + my family. So thank you, for going the extra mile with excellent writing, hard work and the necessary dedicated background research for my projects. Words can't express how relieved I am right now with my results, nor can they ever express how grateful I am to you. If you ever need someone to give a comprehensive (and likely gushing) review to prospective clients / forum members / anywhere else, I'll be more than happy to oblige.

The hierarchy system that exists in the writing companies is something that is based more on repeat clients for a single writer more than anything else. Second to that is the willingness of the writer to work on more papers and his availability to complete short term papers. These are the main criteria that is used to score the writers in the companies that still exist. Rising in the ranks proves to be more difficult these days since there are fewer students hiring writers at the companies than there used to be.