What should off-shore writers do?

Here's the gist of it. We all know that there are many of us writers who work for companies that other people here consider as hell spawn. Like them, most of us also dislike these companies that we work for, since we have been on the receiving end of their unfair practices at least a couple of times. However, we continue to work for these companies for lack of better options and since at the end of the day, we still earn way better from them than we would in any other job.

Here are my questions:

1.) Does anyone have a right to call us criminals simply because we work for such companies?

2.) Should we be castigated in this forum if we honestly reveal that contrary to the experiences of others, we were paid and are valued by these companies?

3.) Is the morally correct option to quit writing for such companies because of their unfair business practices?

Let me be the first to answer these questions:

1.) No.

2.) No.

3.) No. The moral foundation of this entire industry is nonexistent. We provide homework to students for Pete's sake. In high school, if you did your classmate's homework and your teacher found out about it, you'd be sent to the principal's office to be reprimanded or worse. In graduate school, if you gave your classmate your research paper for him to pattern his to and the work turns out as very similar to yours, you'd still get in trouble since graduate programs emphasize the requirement for students to work independently when it came to actually writing their papers.

Please feel free to express your opinions.

criminal = one who knowingly (or even unknowingly) engages in crime


Crack dealers and gang-bangers use the same justification.

Innocent consumers are not responsible for YOUR personal predicaments. Innocent consumers are not bound by YOUR personal, twisted, self-serving opinions on what JUSTIFIES your fraudulent business practices. Do innocent consumers force freelance writers to live on army bases is Asia? Nope. Commercial misrepresentation of products and services is ILLEGAL. Get it? End of story. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

If writing essays is the only source of income, one may start looking for better more ethical sources of income. I am very sure that a little effort would get you to a better place. If you can't find another company open one yourself, and BE ETHICAL.

I also believe that any company that rejects and applicant on the basis of his nationality or country of resident is RACIST and is not an Equal Opportunity Provider. The criteria for hiring should be writing skills and other related factors.

Well-stated.

One cannot be "racist" against a nationality or country. People of all races live in all nations/countries.

An American company has no legal obligation or corporate responsibility to hire non-US citizens. (The same holds true for companies in any other country.) However, if you show me an American company that has a truly "racist" policy against hiring, for example, African- or Asian-Americans, then you have a gripe, and I'll be right there with you to help tear that company down to the ground.

at best, a term paper hack is a professional accessory. if anyone is a criminal in this setup, it's the customer.

country of residence*


Yea true. It would rather be hmmm lemme think ... Discrimination on the basis of nationality.


Is the offer valid for companies that discriminate on the basis of nationality ;)

Are you suggesting that all of us who are currently getting paid to write other people's homework should go find more ethical work or just more "ethical" companies to work for? I'd really appreciate a direct answer. Thanks.


^_^

Sorry for the confusion.
If the company you work for is not fair, you may start looking for better, more ethical essay writing companies.

better? :D

Absolutely. ^_^ Thanks. Hey, mind answering the three questions? :)

Even if you are selling drugs, the underworld has its code of ethics :D
I would not comment on the legitimacy of the industry, however I am a strong believer in good business practices.

Another example; even if it is prostitution that we do, not to being honest with our clients would be wrong :D

1-NO
2-NO
3-YES

I dont think that it is unethical unless the consumer is not getting the product they paid for. If the customers are cheating themselves that is up to them, however if they get the product they paid for, whats the scam?

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Hello everyone,

I am honored to be back to this forum and I trust that you folks are doing fine. I am back to continue with my fight for our right to write and there will be no stopping me this time.

I look forward to some interesting and insightful debates and discussions on this forum.

Thank you.

Since noone seems to be paying attention to your thread, let me just start by asking what exactly it is you want people to say here? You haven't said much yourself.

I believe you meant 'none', and not 'noone'. And with that said, it's obvious you are a nonstarter because the moment you appended your off-topic comment to this thread, it moved from "none" to one.

How couldn't you realize that one is more than none?

Thanks though for being the first to pay attention to this thread.

1. No, nobody has the right to call us criminals just because we work, or in my case, worked, for such companies from hell. Just like the others here, we made an honest living because we delivered the services that were required by the clients. It is not the writer's fault if the company proves to be a bad participant in the business. After all, the writers also suffer the consequences of having to work with such companies.

2. I don't see any reason for a writer coming from one of the "bad" companies to be castigated or scolded by the others here for the same reason as above. As long as we live up to our end of the bargain, get paid, and have repeat clients, then the writer is just like any other writer at this forum. Regardless of who his employer happens to be or not be.

3. The moral considerations in this instance, for me, falls under a case to case basis. At the time that I was working for a certain company, I found their business practices to be unfair. However, looking for other options at that time turned out to be impossible. So I stayed on, knowing that they were morally corrupt because I had no other job to turn to. I just dealt with my clients on the level as best as I could and hoped for the best treatment I could get from the company. Morals be damned. What was important to me at the time was that I brought in money to support myself. Nothing more.

1. Working is never a crime. Working for an academic company is not a crime because it is offering a valuable service that does not have a negative effect on anyone. It isn't like we are drug dealers here. We only push academic excellence onto students, which I believe anybody would applaud.

2. I see nothing wrong with a writer being happy with the company he is working for and actually declaring it. A writer like that should be admired and considered lucky for having found a good employer in his academic writing company affiliation.

3. No. I do not believe that one should quit writing for such companies due to unfair business practices if the writer does not have another company to write for or, if his own independent writing career has not fully taken off yet. There is no sense in cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Very wrong. Nearly all crimes involve some sort of work


You are generalizing here while the original question was asking about knowingly working for a company that misrepresents itself to clients and cheats (some of) its employees.


Again, you are missing the point of the whole thread. Surely there's a negative effect on cheated employees and clients who've been lied to.

Nope. I do not believe I missed any point. Yes, I was speaking in general terms because the questions being asked were general in reference. I am sick and tired of having to defend the gray area of the academic writing industry when there is no need to do so. The colleges and universities know the business exists, the students use it, and the students pass their classes because of it. In one class of 10, I would say at least 8 use an academic writing service. Just like any crime, it only becomes a violation of the law if someone catches you doing it or, if someone snitches on you. In other words, if nobody sees it, then no crime was committed. Like I said though, academic writing is not a crime. There has never been a case of an academic writer being imprisoned or jailed because of his job. It is the best open secret in the academic world and I do not know of any writer who has done time for this type of work.

Sure there are clients who get conned, but that is not the point of the question is it? That was never referred to by the OP. If anything you are missing the general discussion being provided by the questions. You understood the questions one way, which may be right, there are no right or wrong responses to this discussion because that is all it is, a discussion. Nobody is every totally right and nobody is ever totally wrong. All that exists is a difference in opinion. My opinion is, you are trying to over analyze the questions that were asked by the OP.

You can't possibly be serious with that line of reasoning. Accounting and banking are both work, but CPAs who knowingly work for a criminal enterprise and bankers who knowingly take money earned illicitly are guilty of crimes, notwithstanding the fact that they wear shirts and ties and "work" in offices.

Likewise, the test of whether or not something is a crime is whether or not it is illegal under criminal statutes, not whether or not the illegal service is "valuable" to anyone or whether or not it "affects" anybody negatively. Prostitution, gambling, and selling marijuana are all examples of things that are crimes wherever they're prohibited by law and permissible wherever they aren't prohibited by law. Arguably, none of them has a negative effect on anyone; but if you want to take the position that they do cause harm to some people involved, you'd have to allow the same argument about academic writing for hire. Argue either side, but don't try to suggest that prostitution harms marriages and some prostitutes, and that gambling harms some gamblers and that marijuana harms some users if you're not also going to acknowledge that academic writing for hire can harm some students competing on a bell curve and some academic institutions if you're considering all conceivable harms associated with it.

I think this is an imperative part of the discussion that is often overlooked. While I recognize that certain academic writers find the work to be in the grey area because there are clients who certainly just need the assistance, there are also instances wherein these writers are still being used by students who have ill intentions. While I remain to be in the field, I also acknowledge that there is a possibility that there are students who are simply slacking around - hence, why they end up using the services in the first place. Still, like with any other job, I stand by the idea that the intent of the writer is what matters most by the very end because it will determine their approach and belief in the work that they do.

Just out of curiosity, how do you define and distinguish "need" for "assistance" and "ill intentions" in this context?

Since these companies normally hire writers from third world countries, moral considerations and academic honesty are not really important. These people will work for peanuts because every dollar paid to that writer equates to food on the table for the family along with rent, utilities, and other expenses paid. Does that make them criminals? Nope. It makes them good providers to their family instead. At least in the context of third world living. So, even though they know that they are part of a gray area of slave laborers, they will continue to write and accept whatever whiplash the company decides to heap upon them. All because they have bills to pay and at least one mouth to feed.