The Problem with ESL Websites and Writers

First of all, I have heard that Australians (with one exception) are very nice. Thank you for the compliment.

Secondly, your even attempting to understand my posts is ridiculous. I speak English, you speak gibberish - two different languages.

Idiots (you know who you are), I have to run along ... enjoy your gang bang.

WRT
I think you understood it very clearly maybe its because i was making some reference from some folks around on this site..I am only trying to give you an example of a person(maybe an owner of a site/company) coming from UK,US e.t.c and comments on that site fluently with a well structured native English but who may likely be a low level educated fellow? I am pretty sure you and others maybe will say that person' company is legitimate because he/she is coming from US ,UK and has even the countries address.How would you know the person is a low level educated fellow? That is a tendency which has been seen and practiced by people.

I think customers/client need to have that surety the person is native and most important is education, Education comes first. Yes of course for purpose of legitimacy you need to post your credentials to your site it does not mean to scan them, but you can give your names and details of which institution you had been and then people can know for sure your academic status.

I am not saying guys should earn $6-$7 they should be rewarded genuinely according to standard payment made to any other person anywhere and not exploited.

Josh, no one is saying that hiring unqualified American or British natives to write papers is a legitimate way to run an essay business. This would be just as bad as hiring an unqualified ESL writer (like yourself) for the same purpose.

Whether or not I can prove my qualifications here (I am not posting my real name on this forum), I CAN write sentences in English that impart information clearly and concisely, with correct grammar, word usage, and syntax. This is something you have been unable to do so far, and this is why you are not qualified to work in this industry.

I've deciphered the code and think I know what you mean.

1) An owner's nationality does not make a company legitimate or illegitimate. Just because a person is British/American/Australian does not mean that his/her company is good. Some are rotten to the core, have no place in this industry and have been named and discussed here. Similarly, just because a company is Ukrainian in origin does not mean that it is a scam site. There are several other factors to consider. In my opinion, you are deliberately simplifying the issue.

2) Legitimate companies do not hire writers on the basis of nationality. Education, language skills and experience are primary considerations. How would we know that an applicant really has the qualifications he/she claims? Because they are required to submit proof.

Why should it be okay for companies to lie about who they are? Honesty generates trust and respect.

Should companies be allowed to fine writers? As far as I am concerned, this is a form of theft. It is assumed that companies screen applicants prior to hiring them and entrusting them with a customer's work. It is assumed that companies do not hire writers who plagiarise, are incompetent or produce poor quality work. Let us suppose an incompetent slipped through their screening process - fines are not the solution to plagiarism and shoddy work, immediate termination is.

From where I'm standing, I also do not think it okay to pay professional academic writers $7 per page (I'm not even going to go into the $2-6 range).

Basically, legitimate companies, irrespective of nationality, play it fair, are transparent, and treat both writers and customers with respect.

Come on, there are instances when ever you guys exaggerate the truth to make you feel more important than you actually are. I've been told of such instances when some of you get backed into a corner and choose to ignore the truth aboutsome of you as unwillingly provided by the speaker. a spin on the truth is created, unconvincingly instead.Afterall, if you don't toot your own horn, then who will? Fulfill the same terms that your group requires of others.allow free enterprise to decide things rather than constantly trying to ambush others. Play fair. Everyone has to be truthful, no embellishments, just the naked truth. Then everyone will bean a level playing field. Students, know this. A truth is only revealed once you work witha writer regardless of whatis said about that writer here. Donot allowthe words of others influence your choices You will always have freedom of choice asa basic human right.

I'm never dishonest with customers or prospective customers. Before being derailed, the topic of this ancient, long-dead thread was dishonesty in specific relation to the language of origin of writers. Sometimes, I notice solicitations posted by (or receive inquiries from) UK students who make explicitly clear that they will only consider UK-educated writers for their projects. About half of my clients are UK-based, so (obviously) I know UK English sufficiently well to respond to them and misrepresent myself as having been educated in the UK and I have no doubt, whatsoever, about being able to handle their projects as well as any UK writer they might find. However, I'd never do that; instead, I explain how much experience I have with UK projects and that, unlike most American writers -- even otherwise good ones -- I'm a grammarian. Usually, those students who only want a UK writer do not hire me, even after my explanation about why they shouldn't have any less confidence in me than in a UK writer, which is fine; I'm not looking to secure their business under false pretenses. That's all that anybody expects of ESL writers: they should make their case about why they believe customers should overlook their being ESL instead of ENL and simply let the customer decide based on the truth. Much more often, what ESL writers do, instead, is try to pretend that they're American or British. I have no quarrel with any ESL writer who doesn't misrepresent the truth.

One should consider the educational background of the writer as well. If the ESL writer attended an English speaking school, one that uses English as the medium of education during his educational lifetime, then, there is a possibility that the writer will be able to create papers in the manner of an ENL writer. The upper crust schools oversaeas pride themselves in following the IB format of education, which they believe qualifies them to attend school anywhere in the English speaking realm. This is also one of the qualification that some of them use when applying for online writing jobs. While the educational system may be the same, there is still the manner of writing and speaking to contend with on the ESL side. They have a unique way of structuring their English sentences that give away their actual English background. That is not to say that they are incapable of delivering a good paper because of this difference, it just makes their submissions unique in a way. Some students do not have a problem with this, others do. While there are a few IB educated freelance writers out there, they do not have enough of a number to become the norm for ESL writers.

This whole topic has been beaten to death. Native-English speakers don't want non-native speakers to write their projects because their vocabulary, word choice, sentence structure, and (especially) their (usually incorrect) use of idiomatic expressions are all different from ours and any experienced reader (especially professors) can spot those differences immediately. That's also why ESL writers often lie: because they know that NES students don't want anything written by ESL writers. It's really not any more complicated than that, nor does it have anything to do with the relative quality of their respective academic training, because projects written by even the brightest and best-trained ESL writers are still obviously recognizable as ESL to NES readers, including well-researched projects that are of decent substantive academic quality, which is also quite rare, at least from what I've seen of ESL academic writing.