Question about payment (a company charged a client more but won't pay me for that).

I have a question for you guys. I work for a certain company and recently was offered a project for $7 a page. This is normally their going rate for projects, no matter what level usually. I realized by some mistake of theirs apparently, they actually charged the client almost $400 more than I will be paid. Do you all consider that a scam? I am a little angry about it and wondering if I should even give this company my time. The entire time I write that paper I am going to be thinking about the fact someone in some room is making $400 for something when I am the one doing the majority of the work? Am I wrong to feel this way?

The paper is 30 pages long and on a master's level, thus making it 7 a page to which they charged the customer almost $21 a page. I am being paid 33% for master's level thesis work.

I've seen worse.

most companies will leave you 40-50% of the take, which is fair (?). all are going to take the lion's share. $7 a page is about average.

it's hard to tell from your example, because you don't list the order's page count.

being a writer in this industry often means contracting with middlemen. they do the marketing, drum up the business, and provide the customer service-- personally, I am willing to give them about half the revenue for this, because if I had to deal with some of these customers personally, you would see me on the evening news, on top of a clock-tower somewhere.

true and I agree. I suppose seeing the actual price really irked me, but you are right... I, too, would be on a rampage if made to get all customers, business accounts, etc.

In order to hire and maintain the best, native Enlish-speaking professionals in the US and UK, legitimate/honest/forthright companies pay writers at least 50% of the total amount that customers pay.

WritersBeware is yet again 100% WRONG!

Legitimate essay companies will pay writers a third to a half of what the client pays them - NOT 50% which would put many companies out of business.

If the company is a quality company you won't be earning 7$ a page!!! It should be double that for quality writers! and triple that for Master's standard. 7$ will NOT get the 'best' - just barely literate, poorly educated trash like WB!!!

If the company is a crap company and you are a rubbish writer like WritersBeware of *********, then you should be grateful for any dollar you get!

You get what you pay for, and the best only write copy for decent and fair pay. You have been warned!

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Let's see ... $12 per page and writers get 1/3? So ... that's about $4 per page for PhD writers :)

it's hard to make blanket statements about pay, because there are lots of variables... how tough the material is, when the deadline is, etc.

if you have 2 weeks to do something, $7/page might be OK.

if you have 2 days, you might double that.

Payment of $7 for a Master's essay is typical of the sums paid by crap essays sites for writers who cannot write well or are not graduates.

All legitimate and high quality sites will pay more than that - but the work MUST be original and of good quality. Also, you must be a graduate, and write good English (not WB then).

The sites that pay per page should be avoided anyway; you will be paid per word by all legitmate sites.

For 500 words (two pages) 2.1 you should be paid £15+ ($25+) and more if you have a short time to do the essay - that's $12.50 per page. Master's level should pay more than that, so at least £20 ($30) per 500 words or $15 a page. Exchange rates vary, of course.

The best writers will go to the highest paying sites, leaving the dregs with the low paying cheapo sites.

Quality costs. Ask yourself: can you REALLY write excellent 2.1 work? Or are you just an EFL student who can write at basic level - if so, then you are lucky to get $7 a page.

If you pay peanuts you get monkeys: WritersBeware, WRT (the moron) and Pheelyks spring to mind.

no one can promise grades.


and you are...?

Confused?


Moron (OxbridgeExpert/SpotTheDonkey/LieBuster), you sure do make a lot of psychotic accusations that you can't prove. Let's start with this one:

"WB is barely literate."

Surely, if I'm "barely literate," you will be able to point-out numerous errors in every one of my posts. Please prove that you are not 100% insane by quoting some of the illiteracy-related errors in my posts.

I answered the questions in the thread you asked them. Why not stop spamming several threads with the same indignant spewing of vitriol and taking a minute to read?

Phleekie Brown nose WB-licker - people must know the truth.

You and WB represent ********* - and yet you hide behind names that do not reveal this. This is deception. You are your masters constantly disparage other essay sites - but you and your master WriterBeware NEVER admit you are connected to ********* - which is dishonourable and dishonest.

Now, apologise for accusing me of being someone I am not ( some mystical baddie called Melissa). If you do not, then you are proven to be both a liar and an idiot.

You truly are a nutcase.

1. Pheelyks has openly admitted to being a FREELANCE writer for ET.

2. I have clearly stated-countless times since 2007-that I do not own or officially represent ET.

3. I cannot apologize for "libeling" any particular site until you indicate which site it is and exactly what I stated that you believe is "libelous."

4. Food is not the enemy.

Proof that the liar is a donkey:


QED
QED
QED!!!!!!

What exactly is your problem?
Hunger?
Failure?
Unemployment?
Self-disappointment?

You operate under the assumption that the world owes you a living. This is the real world, lassie ... the world owes you nothing. In fact, in the real world, people pay for their infringements against others. Many here warned you, time and time again ... you just won't listen.

Look - taking down a kid is not pleasant. If that kid continues to stomp all over the boundaries which are set down by the law, however, then the kid has to pay the piper.

Why don't you sit down and take stock of your life? Ask yourself
1) what have you achieved?
2) what have you lost?
3) how much trouble are you in?
4) how many lies do you tell yourself and others every single waking moment?
5) are you happy?
Forget the `I am great; I can succeed; I can do anything I set my mind to' couch-talk and really take a good look at yourself.

1) you have failed as a person
2) you are friendless
3) you have alienated most all you have come across

What do you have to show for all of that?

I am being serious ... this is very very sad. Try to rein yourself in before it is too late. Go to a psychiatrist ... honestly, go to a psychiatrist. You need help. Do not waste your life away. If you are bitter at this age, can you imagine what you would be like years down the line? GET HELP.

WRT you are a sychophant brown-nosed parrot of a moron, at that.

The law? Well, libel and defamation are against the law, and you and your boyfriend Phleekie-*** and your knicker-dropping mummy have broken that many a time with your incessant lies.

You really are a saddo. What an utter prat you are. Like you master WritersBeware of ********* you are projecting onyto others your own fragile mental health issues. Delusional retarded moron!

What do I have to show? Well, firstly I have A BALL here watching you liars and scammers squirm and prevaricate and insult and vomit abuse to avoid answering the questions and being honest. You have proven yourselves liars and libellers here. But you seem to have NO IDEA how dishonest and dodgy and mental you sound! Not as much as the real lunatic WritersBeware, but if you keep your face up her fanny, you'll soon be as loonie as her parrot boy.

But I shall answer your idiot questions, just to make baby happy:

1) what have you achieved? - WELL, I HAVE EXPOSED SPAMMERS AND SCAMMERS AND LIARS AND LIBELLERS ON HERE AND REVEALED THEIR TRUE IDENTITY TO ALL POSTERS - I HAVE OUTARGUED EVERYONE.

2) what have you lost? NOTHING AT ALL.
3) how much trouble are you in? NONE WHATSOEVER.
4) how many lies do you tell yourself and others every single waking moment? I DO NOT LIE - I EXPOSE LIARS LIKE YOU MORON.
5) are you happy? YES VERY - I LIKE EXPOSING THIEVES AND LIARS.

And here you are talking about yourself it seems WRT moron A-licker boy, and are under the strange delusion that you can tell everything about a person from their posts exposing your lies on a forum. DOH!!! MORON ALERT!!!:

1) you have failed as a person NOPE - YOU HAVE.
2) you are friendless WRONG AGAIN - I AM WITH FRIENDS NOW LAUGHING AT YOU
3) you have alienated most all you have come across - I DO NOT CARE IF I ALIENATE MORONS AND RETARDS AND LIARS AND CHEATS AND SCAMMERS. IN FACT, I SHOULD BE WORRIED IF I DID NOT.

Now SHOO VERMIN! Go play with WBmummy's stink-hole.

Lick that WB hole, loser! Enjoy the stench of rotting failure!

Cowardly embarrassment to the UK, why don't you tell me which site it is that you purport that I have "libeled" and exactly what I stated that you claim is "libelous"? Why do you have such an utter lack of fortitude? How can I "apologize" for an imaginary infraction that you cowardly refuse to identify due to the fact that you know that if you do, everyone will be able to see for yourself that every word I typed about your RIPOFF site is true?

Why are you and your friends gathered around a computer screen at 8:45 am? Should you all be working or something?

You are hopeless.


Nope - those of us who actually are company owners, do not work `whenever we like.' We adhere to very strict and very long working hours and come here for comic relief. Others imagine that they own companies simply because they have a few rip-off sites - these people work whenever they want. You know why? They do not have any work :) Furthermore, their only chance of drumming up business lies in their trying to spread rumours about their legitimate and well-established competitors. You know what? As a marketing strategy, it sucks.

Wow! Your knowledge of the law is impressive. Yes, silence is a capital offence.

"Phyleeks has been found guilty of silence! Hang him!"

Unless you're wearing a powdered wig, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have to answer your questions for any legal reason. I also DID answer your questions, yet you remain a blood thirsty, catty little she devil with more anger than rationality or personality. Both could be obtained if yo'd just learn to love yourself, instead of trying to starve yourself pretty, Melissa.

STD, care to take a break for essaybrunch? Mmmmm, yummy!

You probably sent her right back to the bathroom and the throat hose, WB.

WritersBeware/********* and your slave parrot Phleeks are back with the usual dumb insults and lies. No change there then...

The thing is, you are insulting and abusing and attempting to bully someone called Melissa in Australia. She does not post here.

You have no evidence that I am Melissa and I have told you many times that I am male and in the UK - and yet you persist in your libel and lies. Why? To deflect attention - or try to - from the fact that you are both spamming scamming scum who represent a well-known essay site. Everyone here can see how guilty you both are. You cannot hide from truth, losers!

Your libel shows you to be liars and libellers; it also shows you to be nasty bullies against someone who is not here to defend herself. You are morons, basically, and should be banned by the mods for your posts here (of course you won't be because the mods and hardly fair and impartial).

You mock and demean those who suffer for anorexia - the mental illness most likely to end in death which kills thousand of young girls every year. You really are a sick couple of scummy perverts! Your mental illness WritersBeware is more like paranoid schizophrenia and you should really be on medication for that; Phleeks' illness is called sychophantia and there is no cure for the need to lick others' down there. You both need SERIOUS help though. Sad, really. SICK SICK SICK.

WB - well done! You have basic IT skills and post dumb pictures. Shame you have no literacy skills really. You can get extra lessons, y'know. You'd have to pay of course in the USA - as you would have to pay for healthcare after eating the disgusting unhygienic Indian buffet your silly picture shows.

Listen fool! The UK has the best Indian restaurants in the world and no decent Indian restaurant has a buffet! Still, you Americans are used to eating like pigs in troughs, eh? Oink oink.

Now Shoo, Vermin scum!

Mostly because it's fun, Melissa. Aren't you up a little alte for someone who starts running a multi-million pound business early each morning?


I don't need to deflect attention from anything. I have continually freely and openly admitted that I am a writer for ET. I don;t recommend the site when customers ask for recommendations, because that is against the forum rules, but I defend it against false accusations.


Nope. No one except you, Melissa. And we're trying to get you to see yourself the way we see you, so maybe you'll get some help. Or a sandwich.


My guess is there are some Indian chefs in India who might disagree with you there. But no one really takes your extremely paranoid and fascistly patriotic vitriol seriously, anyway.

I never admitted this at all. I admit that I call you Melissa without proof, but you have failed to demonstrate that this is libel by any legal definition.


Can you leave the racism at home along with your self-esteem, Melissa?

So the context of a discussion on lynching makes n----- acceptable? According to what rules of usage?


This is a lie.


Also lies. Great Britain banned ships trading slaves from stopping in the uK, and banned UK own ships from engaging in the slave trade at all. Until this happened in the nineteenth century, however, many British merchants made huge fortunes in the slave trade, and Liverpool was a huge hub where slaves wre put to work, as well as bought and sold.

I know what you are trying to do ... many can see right through your insane strategy. You are attempting to undermine the credibility of all those who exposed Melissa. At the same time, you believe that your posts here, whether under the OxbridgeExpert, Donkey or Liar handles (amongst numerous others), will support Melissa's legal defense. Not at all true and the strategy is as stupid as it is sick. Do you really believe that you can use your posts to show that `reasonable-minded forum members' are in favour of Melissa's claims?

1) Proxies are not your friend
2) everybody knows who you are and any reasonable-minded person will reach the same conclusion

You are nothing but a loon ...

i don't think that you are wrong! you should tell the company that you will charge more for the assignment you are doing for them. they should atleast pay you for your part of the work you are doing for them!

The company I work with has always honored my requests for additional money for more difficult assignments. All you have to do is ask and justify. That's a lot better than doing the assignment and resenting it.

They also typically add a bonus to orders that they anticipate might not get taken at the regular price because of difficulty even before we have to ask for it. They're very good about that.

Considering that you were asked to do Masters level work, I find that the CPP is too low and you were scammed. Unfortunately, as a contracted writer with the company, you have to accept the rate that you were provided. It is alright to seethe with anger as you write the paper for the client. There is no way around it. You gave your word to complete that paper and, regardless of your problem with the rate, you have to deliver it to the client. You can take up the problem with regards to the CPP with the company later on. The best thing to do would be to not take orders with such as a low CPP in the future. After all, you are given the specific details for the development of the paper, and that includes the level of writing expertise involved. You personally know when you are being duped so all you have to do is either reject the order (if specifically assigned to you) or just ignore it if you found the order via the general server. I would be angry too if I were treated that way by the company. Wait, I already did get angry in relation to the CPP underhanded tactics of these academic outsourcing companies and that is why I left the academic writing industry in the first place.

I do not believe that the rate you were paid was unfair. Even if you consider that you are the one who wrote the paper and you invested time, electricity, and other sources into the completion of the paper, you still did not invest as much as the company did to get you the order. Consider that the company needs to buy and maintain servers, keep a staff of computer technicians and other back-end workers, do the marketing for the company, make deals with the clients, and act as the conduit between yourself and the client and you will understand why they have to make more than you do.

In this business, unless you are a true freelance writer, you cannot expect to earn 100% of the profits from an order. Even then, the freelance writer needs to factor in the cost of running his business, just as the company owner does, which creates a low to acceptable net earning per order. The 60-40 or 80-20 split in favor of the company represents the amount of time, money, and investment the company owner makes on a per project or monthly basis. So I cannot say that you were paid an unfair amount. In my opinion, it was simply a justifiable amount.

The rate you were paid is the rate you accepted. If you felt is wasn't enough, you could have said something before accepting the project or simply declined it. As for $400 for a 30-page project, that's actually on the low end. What the company does/does not charge is, quite honestly, not your concern and is outside what you signed on to do, which is to write and bid and/or accept projects. The only way to earn more is to either negotiate the rate with the company or branch out on your own. If the former isn't possible, then working for yourself is the only other option (apart from continuing as you are).

A writer can often negotiate the rate of an order that size. Never accept the first offer. Always ask the company to meet you halfway or at least give you a slight increase per page. They will often agree to this as they always have a leeway built in for possible writer page payment increase requests. If you negotiate, they will work with you. Only companies that really plan to not pay the writer will make excuses to not give you a rate increase if you ask for one. Always remember, you can negotiate your worth. The company knows how much you should be paid. Learn how to trick them into giving it to you.

In my experience, the only writers who can ever "negotiate" the price of projects with essay companies are those writers already considered by the company to be their very best writers. Even then, the companies for which I've worked will only negotiate prices on projects that are uniquely difficult or time consuming. When it comes to ordinary projects, companies would rather just have a random writer complete the project than pay one of their top writers more for the same project. Writers who are exceptionally qualified and/or experienced and/or who have advanced degrees in very desirable fields would probably be much better advised to negotiate to start off at the highest payment rate usually only offered by companies to their best and most senior proven writers than to try negotiating the prices of specific projects. That's exactly what I did when I started writing for companies back in 2003.

Once in a while, I emailed the company to explain that a specific project posted on the assignment board probably wasn't going to get taken because the posted payout wasn't sufficient for the amount of work that project required, and they usually responded by offering me a higher payout for it or by asking me what price I had in mind. But I'm pretty sure that if I tried to "negotiate" for higher prices on ordinary projects, they'd have refused and the tone of that refusal would probably have reflected some rightful annoyance on their part, notwithstanding that they definitely considered me one of their top writers (out of hundreds) and that they used to offer me various special projects (such as for their friends and family) at a much higher price than normal and outside of the normal process of posting projects on the assignment board.

It sounds to me like the OP accepted a bid from the server. He took the order knowing very well what rates were involved regarding his payout. He should not complain. He had the choice of accepting the order or not accepting it. I believe the writer is from a 3rd world nation and he accepted the rate based on the exchange rate of his currency v. the US dollar. It looked like a good conversion, so he chose to accept that bid. He cannot blame the company for that. Nor can he blame the company for keeping most of the profits since they are running a business.