I hire people to work for me. I've achieved that level of success in this business. Which is something you two obviously have failed to reach regardless of all the time you have both spent pounding away at the PC keyboard, working for students.
That's quite a high level of personal nastiness in response to one person who did absolutely nothing but express an impersonal, totally objective disagreement, on principle, with something you said you do with your writers and in response to another person who simply said that he wouldn't work for a company that subscribed to that policy. Nobody "attacked" you personally or disparaged your business. For the record, on the topic of our being "failures" for actually
producing the kind of work for which you only relatively recently began increasingly admitting to being a broker or middleman, I'd like to note that you've spent so much time pounding away at the keyboard (mostly reviving irrelevant and obsolete ancient threads to boost your post count and establish credibility here), to have bombarded this forum with 100 more posts than one of us who has been here for 5.5 years and with more than one-quarter as many posts in merely 8
months as I have contributed here in 10.5
years.. We each post maybe once or twice a day and we skip many days, whereas you're here pounding away as often as 10 or 20 times daily. I'm not criticizing you for it, just pointing out that glaring contradiction.
I hire people to work for me.
That would be fine if you're an employer.
They are freelance writers incapable of getting clients for themselves or, they don't want to have to bother with marketing themselves to gain business.
If they're freelancers, they're not your employees and you don't get to exercise the degree of control that you're allowed to exercise over employees.
They are writers who are not truly "freelance" or "independent" because of the nature by which they choose to do their jobs.
There is no such thing, at least as it relates to the issue of whether you're liable for health insurance and unemployment insurance. Technically, either you contract with independent subcontractors (freelancers) subject to the laws that apply to that relationship or you "employ"
employees, in which case
you're subject to a lot more laws and liabilities than what kinds of computers anybody uses. I've seen exactly this happen to someone who operated for years with independent contractors installing high speed cable for him. Eventually, he got sued by and had to pay out hundreds of thousands of dollars to them because a few of them who got fired or hurt got an employment lawyer together and established in court that the totality of the control he had over them (just for making their schedules and keeping track of their jobs, essentially) made him an employer who owed some of them retroactive overtime and others unemployment and health insurance. Immediately after that case, NYS came after him for unpaid health insurance on all of his current employees and various other claims to money he never paid because he thought he was operating as a contractor with independent subcontractors for many years. The court ruled that he was an employer based on a degree of control that was roughly comparable to what you've described. (And yes, they'd all signed paperwork identifying them strictly as independent subcontractors and, specifically,
not as employees.) He still lost the case.
When you exercise that level of control over how they do their work and over deadlines on pending projects, you might find yourself having to pay unemployment to writers you fire (depending on why and when they got fired) and health insurance to all of your other writers. If they're freelancers, they can pick and choose (only) whatever projects they want, and you don't have any right to require them to complete projects on which you change the deadline after they accept them or to require them to own laptops. That's not an attack or an accusation; it's a very brief outline of the distinction between freelance
independent contractors and
employees. If you consider them employees, you can impose whatever requirements you want on both issues; you just can't have it both ways. If they're freelancers, you can only require that their computers meet certain specs that relate to ensuring they can produce the full range of work they do for you. Backup capabilities and procedures are also reasonable for your freelancers; but not the rest of it.
Freelancing means they don't have to report to an office, it is not a lifestyle.
You, who just announced that you're
not a freelancer and simultaneously belittled us for only
being freelance writers are explaining what freelancing means to those two freelancers, one of whom is widely known here (and elsewhere)
as "FreelanceWriter" and both of whom have explained that we do it precisely
because of the lifestyle it allows. Your apparent focus on the distinction between "office" and "home" is largely irrelevant in the legal analysis of whether your writers are employees or independent contractors.
Don't come after me to gain business.
That just isn't either of our styles. If it were, we'd have "come after" one another in the last 5 years instead of sometimes referring clients to one another when that seems like a good idea for the client and for us. Please. We were here for 10 years and 5 years, respectively, before you ever showed up to start bombarding the forum with 10 or 15 or 20 posts nearly every day. I accumulated ~1600 posts in 10.5 years whereas you've furiously banged out ~1450 in just 8 months.
The two of you are too obvious. Don't change the reference topic for the discussion in this thread as both of you regularly do in other threads. Stick with the original discussion points and stop making enemies when you don't have to
Excuse me. This is a forum for industry-related conversations. The thread topic was originally about the computer choices of freelancers. You decided to change that topic (according to your apparent standards and definitions about forum etiquette) to why an essay company requires laptops of its writers. Nobody objected to that, much less attacked or insulted you about it; however, your cramming in your strict policies for your writers in this thread is what changed it's direction. It wasn't our honest responses directly to those points you introduced, either; and none of it was phrased accusatorily, much less nastily. On the issue of being "obvious," most experienced users here recognize a very high percentage of your posts (regardless of thread topic) manage to mention something about how you deal with your writers and your clients. If we were looking to make an enemy of you, we wouldn't have avoided pointing that out whenever you do it (or avoided pointing out other obvious contradictions in some the things you've said about yourself in the last 8 months that haven't gone unnoticed), because with the exception of one recent thread for which you actually still owe both of us an apology, you don't ordinarily picks fights with us, either. And nobody picked a fight with you here: You chimed into the laptop thread with a detailed outline of how strictly you control your supposedly "freelance" writers; and two freelance writers who became freelance writers largely
because we're not willing to allow anybody to exert that degree of control over how (or when or on what) we work provided our view of your policies. That's a conversation, and one that's precisely on a point raised in an immediately prior post, not "changing" the topic one iota. Your nasty insults in response to that were totally out of line.
My writers have no problems complying with my company policies so you have no business sticking your nose into a business model that works for me.
Excuse me. You volunteered two of your very strict requirements here in a thread whose topic was about which type of computer is more beneficial to independent writers, not which type is more beneficial to people who
hire independent writers. Two independent writers who have also written extensively for companies in the past responded with mature, appropriate, and totally objective bases for disagreeing with your policies from the perspective of independent writers. That's not "sticking your nose in" anything; it's contributing in a meaningful adult way to a conversation.