Are thesis writers expected to know how to use SPSS and stats analysis in methodology?

Hi, I was wondering if thesis writers are expected to know how to use SPSS and stats analysis in their methodology.

Nope. Not only are most not going to have access to the SPSS software (updating with the latest version is expensive, and as writers in this industry are freelancers they aren't likely to invest in this the way research institutions and companies do), but very few writers in this industry that I've come across have any working knowledge of statistics (even finding a writer to take a basic math order can be difficult).

So how do you recommend I go about finding help for this kind of thesis work? Or do you suggest I start teaching myself stats?

Well, presumably you're in school for something that relates to/requires stats knowledge, so maybe you have an instructor that can help you out?

Yes. Thesis writers have to be adept with a diverse array of data analysis techniques. Some may specialize in quantitative methods (those that use statistics) while others in qualitative methods (those that do not use statistics), but the best thesis writers are those who know their way around both. ^___^


You don't need to update SPSS to its latest version. I own a full version of SPSS v 17 which I acquired years ago. Despite how complicated many of the projects that I undertake are, I have never felt the need to get an upgrade.


Very true. ^______^ That's why thesis orders are more expensive than essay orders. The expertise needed to conduct either quantitative or qualitative analysis is often absent in the typical writer.

This is some valuable discussion, indeed. It's true that many writers (word smart) do not have a flare for statistics and vice versa.
I'd like to add that it solely depends on the research paradigm a study is situated in. Naturalistic research tends to focus on processes; however, the positivistic standpoint looks at stats. These days growing insight into research suggest we look at both processes and stats. This way more and more credibility is being attached to studies that can bring both the elements. At least descriptive stats aligned with qualitative methods.

FYI: I am also quite proficient in SPSS and EViews.

and then there are those who have a flair for neither, but say (and sometimes even think) that they do. ^____^

SPSS was a thorn in my studies. So complicated and confusing I chose to change my entire methodology just to avoid SPSS. If you can avoid it then avoid it

Stats and SPSS are not as complex as they seem in the first place.


That was a slip because I was too occupied by my current paper. I don't think other (including you) haven't had such slips.

Stats and SPSS are not as complex as they seem at first.


Double negative, missing "s."

Improvement: I think others (including you) have had such slips.

IMO, it would also sound better with a "that" between "think" and "others."

Sigh...


Tsk tsk...I wonder how often your "slips" find their way in your "projects." ^___^

Lolz! I am smiling at your pointers. This is very certain from the post these are typos and slips. I don't really care for such slips to happen; they maybe numerous, but here on this forum. When I know I am paid to do some writing, it's my first and foremost job to review the final product carefully to make sure no such errors and/or slips remain.

You know very well MSWord detects them easily. I hope this answers your question.


And here you're simply objecting to a deviation from the linguistic norm you may follow in your sociolinguistic context. I am free to show such deviations, and others like it, because I don't interact only with people from your sociolinguistic context.

This is what also tells others I am a non-native writer; which I already have stated so many times. I hope it makes you happy.


I am sure you were quick enough to arrive at the meaning you implied from my actual sentence. That was perfectly alright.
You need to read my sentence carefully and... cool-mindedly. :)


Yours is certainly the approach known in applied linguistic research as "prescriptive approach". I'd suggest you go and read something on it.

FYI: This approach was abandoned decades ago. You will find my response when you something on PA. Cheers.


I am sure the basic reason that made you go mad aleck at me is NOT the slips my posts show; it's only because you didn't imagine I'd post something regarding my knowledge of SPSS. I wonder if you ever heard Eviews.

So anyone can learn SPSS; ESL writers like me too. Or you think learning it is the right of native speakers ONLY?


You can see - your post is EDITED!!! None of my posts in this thread is edited. I hope you understand what I am trying to convey :-).

Book with a tutor a session, it will be very helpful.

Thanks for the advice. Whom is the precious advice for anyway?

are you saying here that you are so destructive when you attempt a statistical analysis in English, that the paper actually bursts into flames?

MeoKhan, you need to learn the difference between a "slip" and a "global error."

a slip is when you type too fast, and eht words soemtimes... get it? it's a mistake, best left ignored.

a "global error" is when you do something ignorant, because you don't know any better, and look like a J-A. your heroes pheelyks (basic contractions) and WB (confused homonyms) make them regularly, and are similarly resistant to correction... which is good, from your perspective, right? you want to fit in with them, don't you?

from another perspective, unlike a slip, a global error demands correction... for which you should thank EW, rather than lashing out in your guilt and shame, and making pathetic excuses to justify your ignorance.

good luck. remember-- learning is a lifelong process. English is a very hard language to master, and I know it can be frustrating. try listening to people who try to correct your global errors. otherwise, your errors are going to persist.

Show one example, you lying coward. (By the way, as much as she'd love to be able to do so, EW won't support your claim because she knows that you're wrong.)


Editor75's incessant and blatantly incorrect use of ellipses is a prime example.

I'm sure potential clients would be glad to know this. ;p


No. Your use of "in the first place" is completely whack. You have it completely confused with "at first." This is similar to your confusion between "flare" and "flair."


Awww... nice shield. Sadly, it doesn't apply to you. I actually also do not believe in prescriptive language. My opinion is that in order for a sentence to be correct, it should in the first place, make sense. Prescriptive correctness is only a secondary concern, and one that can sometimes be ignored. At first, you may find it difficult to grasp the difference between prescriptive and descriptive language. In the first place, you are a non-native speaker like you said. Yet although you may never develop a flair for the English language, it should not be a cause for you to flare up in this forum.


Sorry, but I agree with editor75. I think that you're a confused homo too. ROFLMAO!!!

Edit:


Yes, I usually edit when I add to my previous post since the system does not allow double posts. Your point? :p

By the way, "As you can see" would have been much better. Also, if I was a prescriptive fu*- (like our confused homo), I'd point out that it should be "None of my posts are..." However, I'm not, and I think that "is" and "are" in that position are both acceptable.

Yeah, that's what I thought. You know that my writing is virtually flawless. You won't support any of Rusty's asinine claims about my writing skills because you know that he's off his rocker.


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Thank you, once again, for revealing the inferior nature of your writing skills. For goodness' sake, if you're going to chastise an admitted ESL writer about his writing "mistake," you should have the remedial ability to provide a correct version. He's correct. You're wrong.

As far as verb agreement is concerned, "none" is the same as "no one" or "not one." Therefore, it should be "None of my posts IS . . . ."

As I've communicated to Rusty in the past, please do all learners a favor by keeping your "teaching" to a minimum.

Which is why like I said:


"... and then there were none." The closing words of this well-known nursery rhyme should dispel the notion that none can only take a singular verb. People opposing the plural use base their argument on the fact that none comes from the Old English word an, meaning "one." But the citational evidence against restricting none is overwhelming. None has been used as both a singular and plural pronoun since the ninth century. The plural usage appears in the King James Bible as well as the works of John Dryden and Edmund Burke and is widespread in the works of respected writers today.

- The American Heritage Book of English Usage: A Practical and Authoritative Guide to Contemporary English

You know perfectly well what I mean by "THE," but since you've painfully lost the argument, you are once again trying to distract with nonsense. By "THE," I mean the most popular and widely-used dictionary on the Web.

Oh, and I just love how you lean on the "prescriptive" crutch every time you make a mistake. Tell me, if you were to get pulled over for speeding, would you tell the cop that his use of the radar gun is "prescriptive"?

ROFLMAO!! That was precisely what I thought you meant. Oh, did you think that I was calling you on some prescriptive error? No. I was expressing my amusement on how desperate you are in claiming that your .com dictionary is better than any other resource.


Except I'm not. My claim is that "are" is the prescriptively correct word to use in the given sentence, but that it doesn't matter since it has no descriptive significance.

Catch.

none
4.
(used with a plural verb) no or not any persons or things: I left three pies on the table and now there are none. None were left when I came.

Since none has the meanings "not one" and "not any," some insist that it always be treated as a singular and be followed by a singular verb: The rescue party searched for survivors, but none was found. However, none has been used with both singular and plural verbs since the 9th century. When the sense is "not any persons or things" (as in the example above), the plural is more common: ... none were found.

Source: dictionary.reference.com/browse/none

You really should look before you leap. :p

I bet that you can't quote me claiming such, liar.


Again, that is NOT the manner in which you used the words-end of story.

OK, thank you everyone for your feedback. but how do i ensure I get a writer who knows how to use stats? I am fine at writing, but just don't have the time to get a tutor and do the all the background work.

If any writers (EW_writer or Pheelyks) want to pick up my project, I will pay a fair amount for the help I need! I'm pretty sure it's a very straight forward project as well. I'm just quite lost about how to start this/where to find someone to help me. Please please please private message me.

I'm a desperate/stressed university student.

Wish you could also have read a bit on linguistic deviations. Secondly, I have always tried to learn from all the sources from all the people. That is I am at this level.


I have already stated that I don't pay serious attention while posting on this forum; however, I've also said that this is the other way around while I am writing a paper for which I am paid.


I am sorry but you cannot pass this verdict; you don't have the authority, or do you?


You need to understand that also.


Redundant!


Once again, you're issuing verdicts only to assure your (superior) mind that NNS are not equal to a NS. Wish you could have read a bit on 2nd language acquisition (SLA - the term used in the research discourse).

I have many and many a time said that English is my 2nd language; nowhere do I claim to have NS-command. However, every time you communicate with me (and Rusty), you remind me of the same thing. This simply tells me you're not ready to create room for me in the industry. It doesn't really convince you NNSs can also earn money.

In all honesty, I find it quite appropriate to share with you that my NS clients (who clearly know my background) find my work quite promising and they're very happy. I just emailed a paper to one of my recent NS clients, and, you know what, he deposited USD50 as a bonus.

Therefore, I'm in a position to say that my research skills (plus my present language skills) are up to a level where I can earn my livelihood, notwithstanding the fact that I am a NNS.


Here, you needed to be a bit braver than you're trying to be here.
I'd interpret this sentence as:
"Usually I review my posts to remove the slips and errors that may prevail in the first writing so that I can show to people I am perfect". I am sorry but every SINGLE writer in the world leaves errors and slips in their first draft. Would you not agree to it?


You're here to pick up a fight only. You make such posts as can invite opposition, resistance, and rudeness.
You have made very few constructive posts (I am sorry). This fact is as visible to every visitor to this forum as the rising sun.

I am never resistant to correcting my mistakes (not errors); this is what I have always tried to communicate with you and EW.

Now, you should also review your beliefs and knowledge regarding these concepts in SLA (not just in the regular dictionary sense): linguistic deviation, idiolect, SLA, NS model of language, error, mistake, prescriptive vs descriptive use of a language. I'd share some more with you two when you've gone through these. Let me know when you have.

Inasmuch as my affinity with WB and P is concerned; I have already explained it over and over. Wonder what makes you guys repeat the same things over and over?

Can we NOT move forward to contribute something positive to this forum?

This is exactly the area I am having difficulties with. The rules say no advertising yet adverts of some companies offering discounts clearly appear below the "reply" and "new topic" tabs.

Is this not advertising ?

I am afraid not. If you click any of these threads, you'll also find that these posts have been marked as spams. Mods of the forum delete them in due course.

once again, Meo: everyone makes mistakes. global errors, on the other hand, are repeated mistakes in your language that make you look like a fool, and need corrected. do you understand? if you do it once, it's a mistake. if you do it over and over, it's an error.

maybe you expect people in this snake pit to correct your errors with gentle guidance. it's unrealistic; most people here, including me, are going to make fun of you. either way, it's the same intent: we want you to stop using the language so awkwardly, and internalize the correction.

I try not to be a prescriptive grammarian, because I think that people who have to lean on centuries-old constructions are not only unintelligent, but also are denying the vitality of the language.

linguistic deviation is fine, and even constructive, if it makes sense, and gets the correct meaning across. you often don't. that you try to pass off your errors as creative use of non standard English is offensive. your confusion of "at first" and "first of all" is a prime example.

one last point: pairing fancy words with archaic constructions does't make people think you know the language any better. I see this mistake all the time with my students. they think that, when they could simply say, "using a thesaurus," if they say, "prevail upon the indubitable services of a thesaurus," it makes them sound smarter. it doesn't. it makes them sound ridiculous.

MeoKhan are you available for research help?? see my previous post please

These are some of the things that a good write should invest in..

Investing in some English lessons would also be beneficial for some....

No, I'm not. What I am saying is that your use of "in the first place" was downright wrong. It was not a "linguistic deviation" as you like to call it or even a "slip," but a complete misunderstanding of what fits where in the language.

Edited to add (Happy, Meo?):


Precisely.

I certainly may have looked over the correct use of the two phrases; however, I am always open to criticism and ready to further my understanding of English and other skills.

Thanks for putting your time.


Haha. You know it.


I am not doing so. Secondly, it should not offend anyone in any way because I am just an ESL writer contributing to the countless ongoing themes on this forum. This world is big enough to have people like me. Mutual tolerance is very important.

When I don't want to offend anyone, no one should presumably get offended for nothing. Instead, Rusty, it's going to be a lot more constructive if you could do something useful

Again, you misunderstand. Editor75 did not mean that you were trying to be offensive, but that the way you try to make excuses for your errors is offensive. Just because you weren't trying to be offensive doesn't mean that what you're doing is not offensive.

This entire thing would have ended much sooner if you had just said something like "Oh, my bad... it was wrong of me to use "in the first place" there." Instead you went for "Oh.. I meant to do that. You see, that makes sense too if you know what I know" which is just b*llsit.

I have already admitted my "mistake" above. It's now you who is dragging things "further". However, my point still holds strong: Even if I don't admit my "mistake", it should not offend anyone in anyway because the world is full of errors and mistakes made by all the human on the planet. The best way is to ignore others' mistake and move on.

But I am very sorry to say, on this forum things are different.

I am glad you didn't edit the post above. Congrats.

PS: Kindly watch your language with me.

You probably should have just admitted that certain types of errors are common in the posts (and essays) of ESL writers. Your excuse-making and refusal to accept that I have been correct since 2007 prove my point about your hypocrisy even better than an admission.

I believe any writer who is proficient in SPSS would have a greater advantage now or in the nearest future cos it seems there is a trend towards it....

Wow... you're inability to understand the meaning of a sentence baffles me. >.<


It may be true that Meo did say he was an ESL writer and that he did admit that this made his writing inferior, but I did not say those things of him. I was simply repeated what he thought of himself.

Let me simplify it for you:

I think that Meo is a crappy writer.

You claim that it is because English is his second language.

Does Meo think that it is because English is his second language? Based on what he said before, I think so.

Do I think that it is because English is his second language? No.

You failed again. Why am I not surprised? :P

The attempt to hide your embarrassment behind the vulgar laughter is futile.

total BS. Meo licks your boots, so you believe it. that's the only reason you're not calling him a "cave dwellar" yourself... that or you really are gullible.

I would bet money that Meo does not tell all his clients he is an ESL writer... and I don't blame him. why should he handicap himself?


as EW writer and I have both explained, mistaking "at first" and "in the first place," and "flare" for "flair" (these two examples are the tip of the iceberg) are global errors. rather than being slips of the fingers, they are deep and serious misunderstandings about how the English language is put together, and they make you look like a crappy writer.

who cares why? the important thing is that you get better.

Really? Why not? Are you honestly claiming that all native writers naturally have a flair for the language? I think not. I've had classmates in a creative writing elective who fancied themselves as writers but consistently committed numerous errors and made horrible word choices. Like Meo, they also would never develop a flair for the English language.


O.O What's the difference. Oh wait,

1.) My sentence is less boring.
2.) My sentence intended to take a jab at Meo by using "flair" and "flare" correctly.

You see fire where there isn't even smoke. :p Have you been skipping your olanzapine again? ^___^


On this much, we can definitely agree. ^_________________^ Right, Meo-Meo? HAHAHA!

Actually, it's your smokescreen that's highlighting your refusal to admit hypocrisy. The more you refuse to admit that Meo's mistakes are largely due to his ESL background, the more you come across as a stubborn jack.


The difference is that you're denying and bulls--. instead of admitting that I've been right since 2007. Plus, unlike most ESL writers in the industry, Meo admits that he is an ESL writer with certain shortcomings in English-language writing.

Are you seriously going to deny the FACT that virtually every English language murderer who posts in this forum has an ESL background?

By the way, there are other members of this forum who are often MUCH more aggressive than I am in calling out fraudsters and ESL hacks. Why don't you attack them?