HOW CAN WRITERS BEAT THESE FAKE COMPANIES

I am a writer and having worked with almost all these companies, they are all more or less the same, UNTRUSTWORTHY. How can writers therefore overcome this problem.

Lets launch a facebook group fan page. This way writers and customers get to communicate without the heavy investment of creating a website...
Most of these online companies get rid of you as soon as you make substantial amounts of money..

collectivization---->unionization---->power to withhold work collectively----> employer concessions

fair work for fair pay!

the real problem becomes how to organize globally and form effective pickets digitally.

the first step is to actually discuss it... this forum seems like a good place!

We need to come up with a credible forum. Would "Google Groups" work?

Almost all which companies? And what exactly do you mean by "fake"? A decent writer ought to be able to articulate his points a bit more clearly....


Nope. Just the ones that hire loads of s-i*ty writers in the first place.


The real problem is the endless horde of writers with questionable English skills desperate enough to work for the $3/page many of the scam companies offer, and no matter how many people become disillusioned there is always the next year's batch of optimistic suckers. The same applies to many customers--no matter how many people get cheated by these companies, there's always the next round of dupes who haven't been burned yet and have more money than sense.

There's never a shortage of desperate idiots.

My solution was to go into business for myself. The market is far from glutted, and I can't count the number of clients who have talked about scam papers and bad experiences or about fears of these things.

That having been said, sites like this have gotten people like EW.net to lose tons of good writers. Other more reliable sites get the benefit. We just need to keep working at it.

Obviously, you've only worked for companies that were willing to hire you. Clearly, that list does not include any of the companies that hired me because I've never encountered any issues of honesty or anything even remotely close to the "fraud" that you've encountered (since I started writing for them in 2003). You should reserve your characterizations to the handful of companies you've actually worked for instead of implying that companies you obviously know nothing about are "fake" or "untrustworthy."

Pheelyks you seem to have a problem with the truth, but I don't blame you because I don't waste my time in useless, clearly provocative discussions.

Actually, Pheelyks and I work for some of the same non-fake, non-fraudulent companies. He and I both defend them here against attacks that we know aren't true and he's correct to suggest that only an idiot would claim to have worked for "most" of thousands of companies in this industry. I don't know about "thousands" but I do know for a fact that there are at least a dozen or so that are completely legitimate. They provide quality, plagiarism-free work to customers, they follow-up with rewrites when justified, and they pay all their writers in full and on time, month after month and year after year.

spend more time sticking to your guns!

in regards to the subject,

writers can only stop being exploited when they are able, as an organized group, to not just bargain, but demand, better treatment from supervisors and managers. the only way to make demands effectively is to organize, so that collectively, you can start to sort out the weapons that you are going to use to ensure that your demands are met.

Yes! It is time we as essay writers came together and formed an organization. The organization could carry out campaigns against fraudulent sites and see them go down.

I have been thinking about this for some time now but financing has always come up as the major stumbling block. For such an organization to work it has to be sustainable.

The solution is,

writers come together>> form a writers' website>> make their own demands>>> set their own standards>> market their services>> bring down fraudulent websites>>

This would help curb exploitation of essay writers as the organization would set standard rates and provide employment for these desperate writers.

If you are willing to support me start such an organization and if you are ready to contribute resources in terms of money, time or knowledge, contact me at admin@onlineriches.org

Essayscam we will also need your help so that we could rally as many writers and bring them together. Guys this is the time!! Rally up as many people as you can, tell your friends about this and lets come together and start something of our own for a change.

strength is in numbers. if an organization can be started with just a few members at first, it can still grow and recruit new members. if the numbers are right, the organization itself will become capable of threatening established organizations. funding may not need to be the first priority-- organization can happen with no $ changing hands. eventually, if it becomes large enough and powerful enough, the organization will require funding for overhead. growth happens best when overhead is low.

Kudos editor75. I am comforted to see that this forum has people who share the same visions as I do. Contact me at pro-writer@live.com...

Lets bring some change to this industry. Its time we stood up against the fraud rampant in this industry.

Either that or just learn to write well enough to get hired by some of the legitimate companies that provide a quality product to their customers and don't exploit their writers. Just throwin' that option out there, but good luck with your unionizing idea.

I am not here to prove my English speaking skills.

So what if you can speak good English. Does this add any value to the guy who has just been scammed???

What have you done for these people, and what do you plan to do??

What is the point of having a forum where people come to complain once they have been scammed. All you do is tell them how stupid they were and hold pointless discussions.

ESSAYSCAM.ORG whoever owns this thing, you need to start getting real!!!

You don't like this forum? Get the hell out!


You need to F, e-book fraudster.

I'm just suggesting that if your only experience is with scam companies it might have more to do with your not being qualified to be hired by reputable companies than with the conclusion that there are no good companies in the entire industry. Pheelyks and I both know that's not true because we work for some of the same very reputable companies that never rip off their customers or their writers.


If by "these people" you mean the community of industry customers, I've provided several hundred of them with several thousand good essays and almost all of them have been very appreciative.


I'm not a big fan of the strict rules of this forum either and I've been suspended for violating them in the past. My choice is the same as yours: follow the rules here or find a different forum with different rules. For whatever reason, the people who operate this forum have chosen to make it a tool to help customers and writers identify and avoid scam companies rather than a tool for finding specific reputable companies.

EssayPro: Because this forum is vulnerable to shills, sock puppets and spam, the forum has a very specific, confined mission: Describe SPECIFIC companies that have scammed people SPECIFICALLY. That's it.

Go to essaychat.com. That's a forum more in line with what you're trying to do.

I feel your pain bro but I am not for the idea of forming a union. This forum is already a union unless, of course, your only definition of a union is that of heckling and receiving/taking monthly subscriptions. There is no better way of exposing scam in this industry apart from what we keep seeing here. I know about 4writers.net courtesy of this forum and therefore any calls for a union are, in my opinion, totally misplaced. If you can't learn from this forum there is very little chance that you will do so elsewhere.

this forum has no power to counteract or change exploitative company policies through organized action; however, it does often highlight the need for an organization that is capable of such action.

No, it's not. A union collectively organizes as an institution to protect workers' interests. We are from many different companies, and some of us own or in managerial positions in our companies. I personally do most of my negotiations with the CLIENT, not with freelancers. This site is like the BBB: It monitors for scamming but does not recommend businesses.

managers are part of a structure of authority that separates the work from the person doing the work (the writer). if writers were to stop writing, everything in the manager's company would stop working, and the customer interface would fail.

managers: stop the alienation of your commodity's producers!

Freelance writer you are full of HOT AIR making noise on every listing, get a life. A**hole

Danny Boy: considering that you probably did not understand a word of FW's post, I understand your aggression towards him. I know he makes you feel inadequate, illiterate and stupid but, your mental incompetence is hardly his fault. Your unenviable genetic pool is the real culprit here ... you need to redirect your anger towards your parents - after all, they are responsible for both your stupidity and senseless existence.

Seriously - are you really a writer? More importantly, do you honestly believe that you are qualified to work as a writer?

I'm not the one spamming the board with the same posts on multiple threads in the first month of membership here. Furthermore, all of my posts directly address specific points made by other posters and without any personal attacks or name calling. If you have a specific point in response, you're free to make it; otherwise, you really look like an idiot coming onto a forum as a new member telling another member who's been here for years (and whose legitimacy as a professional writer has been confirmed even by this forum's harshest critics of scamming writers) to stop making "noise." Responding to specific points of other posters is called a conversation; insulting other members personally without any substantive response to any of their statements with which you may disagree is "noise."

Except that a company has an incentive to reduce the amount they pay their workers, while the workers have an incentive to increase that amount beyond the profitability of the company. This tension resolves itself, assuming competition both among workers and companies, as hopefully fair rates. This writer's union is an attempt to increase worker pay: Some of us here would face a conflict of interest.

competition may be a good thing, but lateral movement can only go so far before the same inequities present themselves again and again, without resolution. this lack of resolution is the result of an unfair power vacuum, in which independent contractors are picked on because they are isolated, and not given the incentives they deserve for producing the work on which these companies thrive.

Pheelyks has made this point before, but those of us who have been writing fulltime for years and who have extensive experience working for good essay companies as well as working freelance really have no complaints with the companies taking their fair cut for the role they play. In the busy season (especially), keeping track of all of our private clients can be a real headache that we never have to worry about with company orders. We make a little less per page on company assignments, but there's definitely an element of stress that the companies spare us in the administrative functions they provide. Generally, there's also an aspect of direct customer service responsibility and contact with freelance work that we just don't have to worry about with company orders.

I've never worked for a bad essay company, but it seems to me that the writers who are worried about this unionizing thing are mainly writers who have not been working for reputable companies that pay fairly. Those of us working for good companies really have no complaints and we're pretty happy with our relationship. In fact, I never fully appreciated the functions that the companies handle until I started getting a lot of private work; there are times that it feels like the higher price per page for the private work is barely worth the trade-off of handling all the admin stuff for myself.

Again, I agree, but you're missing my point. Those here who are not just writers but also managers would be facing a conflict of interest backing a union of writers. It's a good thing, if you can get it off the ground...

Except that "scabs" would be omnipresent.


I agree in theory, but clearly some companies are exploitative.

No kidding. Stop "theorizing"; start reading more carefully.

I agree about these digital scabs. theoretically, scab-busting must evolve, as scabs will have. I am no technological expert myself; someone else perhaps knows more about a system which could form effective digital picket lines.

I know, I was responding only to that sentiment. Also, since I didn't say "theorizing", that's a dishonest quote. You'd have to say "theor[izing]". I was saying in response to your point, amplifying your subsequent caveats, that while certainly many legitimate logistical services are provided by having a management company, many of these companies either don't provide those services or provide them as an inappropriately high cost.

Nor is it just being paid fairly that's a concern. Some companies allow customers to be deceptive, like blaming you if a customer never explained that a paper was single-spaced instead of double-spaced or demanded different margins from the standard. They often won't go to bat for their writers against customers clearly being unreasonable or dishonest. And one can think of many other concerns, such as the company assigning work after a due date then penalizing the writer for the late submission, or assigning more work than the writer agreed to.


Probably none that wouldn't count as illegal and highly unethical DDoS attacks or other forms of cyber-attack.

You seem to be overlooking some things here. You seem to assume that anyone who is concerned about being scammed as a writer for an essay company must be an unskilled writer who cannot get hired by a company that doesn't scam its writers. But you overlook people like me who had the benefit of reading informative posts on this forum before I ever actually applied to work for any essay companies. That was enough to make me not want to bother. Like would-be customers who come here, would-be writers who come here are likely to be scared away by the warnings on this forum. While the customers either have to take the risk or find a way to do the work themselves, the writers have the option of working independently and trying to find their own customers.


And because I decided to do this independently, I too have never worked for a bad essay company; I've just never worked for a good one either. Well, I wrote one thing for one company this month to see what would happen, and I'm waiting to find out if I get paid. But really their pay is typically so low I haven't even tried taking any more orders from them. I only took the one because it paid a little better and I knew it wouldn't take long.


I'm curious as to what it was that you found so difficult about the administrative work. The communication is all by email, and I don't find it that much of a hassle to read and send emails. I also find it no trouble checking to see if a payment has been made. You attack others who post here by assuming they must be low quality writers, but I have to wonder how well someone can do on the writing part of the job when that person finds the easy administrative part so troublesome. For orders I pass along to one of my other writers instead of taking myself, I take very little of payment and still feel like I got paid for nothing, despite handling all the administrative aspects myself. I basically take enough to cover the low cost of running my own essay business, and I only use writers who can meet my standards. There's not point hiring out my orders to someone who can't maintain the good reputation I've been building with my customers.


So there's your answer: work on your own or work for someone like me. If you have the skill and motivation you can make some money this way. So far my writers, my customers, and I have all been pleased with how things are going.

Yeah, that was my point. I think it's a demonstrably false assertion that everyone who is a worthwhile writer is currently represented.

I didn't say I found it "difficult"; I just said it's a hassle and I appreciate not having to deal with any of it on company orders. My companies provide a nice virtual calendar that automatically displays all my orders. On company orders I don't have to engage in (sometimes) extended email exchanges with new customers who (understandably) have a lot of questions and need reassurance because they've never done this before. Many of those exchanges are also very repetitive and I have to answer the same questions and explain the same things many times. With company orders I just click on a paper and it goes right onto my calendar and then I upload it when it's finished.

Now that I'm forced to think about it more to respond to your rhetorical questions, it's mainly the communications with new clients much more than anything else like just writing a due date down or "checking to see if a payments has been made." Obviously, I appreciate new clients and I understand their concerns, but it's distracting to respond when I'm already working constantly.


And I have to wonder how bright someone is who thinks there's necessarily any connection between disliking administrative stuff and writing a good essay.


I don't "attack" anybody here. I meant that any decent writer who deserves to be hired by the companies that use me shouldn't have a problem with getting ripped off. If you can't figure out which companies mentioned here are not going to rip off anybody, you're probably too dopey to write a good paper in the first place, especially going by your logic. Meanwhile, your questioning "how well someone can do on the writing part of the job" because I said I appreciate not having to handle admin stuff is as much of an "attack" as anything I've said about anybody here.

Ok, you didn't say you found it difficult (you didn't quite say it was a hassle either, but whatever). Either way, I suppose my point is, I have to wonder how something I find so simple and easy can be such a hassle for you.

I guess I just find it hard to believe, based on my own experience, that responding to customers' emails is such a hassle. I'm not saying your customers don't email you as much as you indicate, I'm just saying my customers don't email me that much. I wonder what's different about us or our customers that yours feel the need to constantly email you for reassurance while mine don't. Also, I think that it helps that I communicate directly with my customers. Sometimes it turns out they don't describe orders correctly but things get clarified through our communications with one another. Having some company's administrators acting as middle-men on such communication would just slow down the process while still requiring the writer to check emails from the company.

Actually, you accused someone of being a bad writer simply for being concerned about the possibility of being ripped off. What one can figure out from this forum is limited, for - as we are often reminded - there is a mixture of truth and lies here that requires it all to be taken with a grain of salt. One would need to go outside this forum and use other resources as well, and then still wouldn't know about many particular companies without trying them oneself. I'm not "too dopey" to do that, I simply didn't feel like wasting the time when I can get orders on my own. I suppose I was making a bit of an attack, but like many here I find myself getting suck into making attacks in response to attacks I see.


To clarify, what I was questioning was the rationality of someone who writes for money but is willing to give up some of that money in exchange for not doing the simplest part of the job. Like I said, when I find myself making a couple of bucks for only handling the administrative part of an order, I feel like I'm getting money for nothing. I assume your goal is to make money, so it seems irrational to me for you to give up what I consider to be pretty much money for nothing. It's getting paid to send a few emails.

Basically, if you're a good writer and you feel confident you can get your name out there and get some new customers to try you out, then do what I'm doing. If you're a good writer but don't feel confident about marketing yourself, find someone like me to work for/with (but if they're like me you must provide quality work) and you can avoid the big companies without worrying about advertising yourself or dealing with the so-called "hassle" of administrative tasks. Otherwise I guess just go write for one of those companies and see what happens. The big companies can either pay enough to get good writers, which means they'll charge very high prices, or they can offer low prices to their customers and not be able to afford quality writers. On the other hand, I can offer prices that are comparable to the cheap companies while still ensuring that I and my other writers are earning wages comparable to those working for the big essay companies. It's the best arrangement for both the writers and the customers as far as I'm concerned.

Congratulations. You just set the record for the longest waste of bandwidth over the stupidest possible issue imaginable. All I said was that the more private work I do the more I appreciate the fact that the companies handle all that stuff for me. First, you intimate that I must not be all that good a writer because of that and now you've called me irrational for it. For your information, I've also recently cut loose a couple of very steady long-term clients (2+ yrs each) just because I've always considered them somewhat annoying to deal with on a personal level. I'm at the point where I sometimes get more work thrown my way than I want so maybe I can afford to be a little more picky about things on my end. Believe it or not, if given the choice, I'd rather spend a half hour writing a paper than answer emails for half that time. I don't really know "why" but by all means, post a few thousand more words in response to that. Maybe when you find yourself getting as much work as I do and writing constantly you'll have less patience for certain things too. Then again, maybe you'll never have that problem.

right-- companies provide a website, customer service, advertising, etc.

there are plenty of companies with more administrative overhead than that, which can still somehow afford perks and substantive benefits for their valuable full-time workers.

mention employee benefits to an essay mill owner, and watch them squirm! watch how broke they suddenly become.

writers-- they're not going to give you what you're worth unless you make them. otherwise, it's going to be excuse after excuse. and you can't make them, alone.

Wrong. I challenge anyone to prove incorrect any claim that I have ever made about any site or company.


Batul, fu*- you and die, you piece of Indian s-i*.