Do writers 'steal' clients from essay services they work for?

Simple question. If you're a writer contracting for an essay service and one of your clients sent you their contact details - do you 'steal' such clients?

Yes they steal like crazy. Ask FreelanceRewriter or peddler from experience.

Because my work is good, I have been approached many times by essay company customers asking to "work with me directly" instead of through the essay companies, and frequently, through this forum.

I've always declined and explained that I cannot take work from any customers who have already placed orders with any of the companies that use my writing.

If they care to chime in, there are probably a few customers reading these posts who can verify that I've declined their work for precisely that reason. I've never included (or embedded) my name, e-mail, phone number, or any other contact information in even one of the thousands of papers I've written for any essay company in the decade that I've been writing for them, either.

Stu4 is a very jealous competitor who really should worry much more about just learning how to write in English that isn't laughably bad instead of worrying so much about and my professional practices.

Unlike him, those of us who are simply legitimate American writers earning a living by writing well don't need to "compete" by continually attacking any other writers (or essay companies) totally unprovoked to try to ruin their reputations.

There's no need to just take my word for it: his nearly 1,000 previous posts all over this forum accurately represent his "English" writing abilities, just as my posts accurately represent mine.

Proof? You decline s##@. You only tell - don't tell WritersBeware or he disable me.

You first to spam from signature here. With no spam signature you are zero, ask pedler where he is now.

Stu4 is a very jealous competitor who really should worry much more about just learning how to write in English that isn't laughably bad instead of worrying so much about me and my professional practices.

Exhibit A:


There's no need to just take my word for it: his nearly 1,000 previous posts all over this forum accurately represent his "English" writing abilities, just as my posts accurately represent mine.

Exhibit B:


The Defense rests.

May be they steal like crazy. You should ask to FreelanceRewriter or peddler from experience.

Regards

Academic Sciences

...And "may be" only customers who want to pay hard-earned money for writing in exactly this level of English-language fluency should "ask to" Academic Sciences for their services.

With about 95% certainty, "KristiDmello" is stu4.

I agree, but I believe the Stu4 account is actually used by several different people with ESL skills that range from not very good to unbelievably atrocious.

I really do not know how such a good start of conversation would end up in a personal debate.

Anyway, answer to Robb's question is plainly simple. I believe taking part on freelance writing jobs is just as being employed to a local company. When a writer registers to a freelance writing job site, he is supposed to be in agreement with the Terms and Conditions of that company. One specific policy is that writers are never allowed to publish, post, or sell completed papers to any other persons outside the site he/she belongs to. On the other side, customers are supposed to agree with the Terms and Conditions for the company that offers them custom writing services. One of those is that they should never provide any personal information to the writers.

In the very first place, failure to comply with the company's terms definitely mean "betrayal". As a writer, you make yourself bound by the rules and regulations of the company you work for, and make every single effort to remain faithful and loyal to it.

Writers "steal" clients when they make unnecessary negotiations within the writing site. Besides, it is by the company's efforts - through the website - that clients make their orders. Not by the writer's. If a writer wants to have personal clients, he/she should have his "personal" way of getting some.

I hope this answers the question.

Great answer and I fully agree; thank you for a reasonable and fight-free answer :-).

You are welcome.

As a writer, this is a very challenging part of my commitment with the company. When you see the customer's email address even in the order's instructions/details - which you believe have been reviewed by the Support Team - it is up to you whether you remain faithful as the company's writer or not.

Not really a good idea. If you're working with a company, you'd probably be fired if they discovered this. Unless the client has more work than the company, then it does not make much sense.

While it is not really a common practice for most independent writers contracted with companies to pirate the clients of the company, there are some who do exactly that. Some of them are never found out because the quality of their work remains at the same level or goes up another notch during the direct hiring process. The problem only comes in when the writer fumbles the order and the client turns to the company in hopes of getting something better out of the writer. Blowing that cover usually results in the writer losing his affiliation with that company. Writers who are looking to strike out truly independently of the company sometimes take advantage of the information without a second thought. I never did that though because I figured that being company affiliated offered me a degree of protection when it came to dealing with problem clients. I have more than enough offers for direct hire jobs but I just did not have the stomach for it. Now that I am not engaged in academic writing anymore, and reading this post makes me wonder about what might have been.

In my experience, writers hired by writing companies cannot directly poach a client because all of the communication is done through the monitored private messaging system or chat system of the company. Any inquiries regarding direct contact between the client and the writer is immediately deleted from the system or the posting is edited to remove such reference on the part of the writer. It is kept on the side of the client to serve as an ego boost to the writer and also, because the company doesn't want the company to know the conversations are being monitored.

There are however, some creative clients who insert their contact information in the uploaded files which they know the writer will be accessing. At that point, it becomes the choice of the writer whether he will honor his agreement with the company to not steal clients, or use the information provided to launch his independent writing business. It all boils down to the integrity and morals of the writer. Will he? Won't he? Only the client will find out in the end.

I believe those system only evolved precisely because essay companies realized that some of their writers were doing exactly what you described in the second part of your post. The company for which I did the most writing always used to prohibit writers from providing their contact information to customers, but only implemented those types of automatic controls much later, after the prohibitions and the honor system apparently failed. During that time, the same thing happened with customer orders requesting specific writers. The company had to come up with a feature that displayed those orders only to the requested writer (for 3 hours, anyway). I'd imagine that it was the same writers who poached other writers' "requests" and also stole customers from the company whenever they could.

Exactly, and to prevent customers from reaching out to writers directly with the hope of getting a better/cheaper deal. (Client try to steal writers, too.) I've worked for companies that did it both ways: anonymous projects and direct assigns. Either way is fine as long as the writer is good, but I do see how anonymous would be more beneficial to companies. From an indie writer perspective, it was easier when I could just write and a company was responsible for everything else. Now, I am writer, bookkeeper, manager, mediator, and much, much more! If a writer has a decent gig with a company, I recommend working hard, being honest, and enjoy writing for money while someone else handles the rest. ;)

When it comes to pirating clients from the company, I will have to admit that the temptation to do that is strong among writers. After all, it will help them finally break free from the handcuffs the writing company put on them. I do not blame the writers who do it. Yes, there are some who do it. Mostly clients who work for those questionable companies that see the writers as slaves instead of business partners. Others, and there are a few who work for me, take the clients with them to the next company. Their reason being that they become valuable writers (that's true) because they brought a client base with them. In this business, writers know that in order to survive, they need to have a regular client base, but not all of them have the ability to set up their own server and company. So I slide into the position of eager problem solver in that case. There's no harm in it. We both benefit from the client, who just wants to have his work done properly by his regular writer.

Client poaching is still an issue that the leftover writing companies have to deal with. Students are aware that the cost of the paper that they order is high because of the middleman percentage tacked onto the final price. So the creative ways of reaching out to the writer still remains and these days, the writers tend to put personal interest over the business relationship. They contact the client directly and poach the student, who is happy to pay a lower but fair rate to the writer whenever required.