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Unbeliever_Paradox  1 | 5  
Sep 09, 2007 | #41
Okay, I realize that WritersBeware is not the bad guy here. However, he shouldn't have generalized all ESL writers as frauds. I am a Filipino Web Content Writer. Here's how the system works:

1) I see an advertisement for someone hiring writers. The potential wages are far above what even your average government employee here makes. So naturally, I apply.

2) I go through rigorous screening procedures wherein I have to prove that I can:

a) Write with grammatically perfect English
b) Write creatively while being constrained to using some keywords repeatedly
c) Write quickly with a deadline in mind

3) My articles have to be approved by the client or I don't get paid. If too many clients return their articles I get fired for jeopardizing the business.

These clients are fully aware that their business partners are non-Americans. There's no fraud in any form. Payments are sent to the office's bank account (Philippine-based) and then diverted to me, with the agent taking a little off the top, of course.

If the client is happy, he or she will order more articles.

Filipino is my national language. I also speak two different dialects. However, I am pretty competent in using the English Language. I admit that I may be no Yeats, but I can hold my own.

All I am asking is that you try to understand that the writers are not at fault here. I was offered a great opportunity and I took it. Just like any of you would had you been given the chance to work for 2-3 hours a day and still earn more in a week than what your parents make in a month.

Some of us are also pissed off at people who commit fraud. Just this past week, I was commissioned by a client to write 6 thousand pesos worth of articles (about 120$). I really needed that since I was counting on it to pay my rent. He ran out on me.

In the end, it's not about whether you are a native english speaker or not -it's about whether your work stands the test of time. I have been working in this business for a year now, with my clients fully aware of my nationality. That should say something about my work quality.

I just hope this clears things up a bit.

Oh yeah, and someone posted this thread on the Filipino Penster Community and that's how I found it. If you think that Non-native speakers are no-good at writing with this language, then maybe you should check out our site. It has a lot of filipino content but there are also some English submissions.

Here's something for you to chew on:
penster.fyi.ph/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1863

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OP WritersBeware  
Sep 09, 2007 | #42
Okay, I realize that WritersBeware is not the bad guy here. However, he shouldn't have generalized all ESL writers as frauds.

Can you please quote for me the exact statements that you believe justify your claim?

I have been working in this business for a year now, with my clients fully aware of my nationality. That should say something about my work quality.

Why is it that ESL writers who have mastered the English language are the ones who take offense to my position against unqualified, ESL writers who are incapable of writing a coherent sentence in the English language, yet misrepresent themselves online as "professional, native English-speaking writers with PhD degrees from American universities"?

As an American, I have no problem admitting that there are THOUSANDS of worthless, American scumbags who engage in misrepresentation and online fraud. Does that make me an "anti-American" American?

None of the unqualified, ESL frauds attempt to refute me because they know that I am 100% correct.

By the way, please don't hit me with the "I'm just an innocent writer" routine. That's an old, tired excuse. You know right from wrong, don't you?

When an ESL writer finds out that the EssayWriters.net scumbags from Ukraine are misrepresenting his/her education, skills, location, and experience to the American public, that ESL writer has the professional and moral duty to either quit or demand appropriate edits to the BestEssays.com and SuperiorPapers.com Web sites.

If the ESL writer continues to work for the EssayWriters.net scumbags, even after becoming aware of EssayWriters.net's fraudulent practices, then that ESL writer is a co-conspirator who is equally guilty of all associated crimes.
Fae77  1 | 17  
Sep 09, 2007 | #43
So all ESL writers are the average ESL writer?

Come on people, you are supposed to freaking be academic.

And I don't even really like WB, I think he's kind of a snob myself, but at least I know the difference between a logical argument and just attacking character.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 09, 2007 | #44
I'm a "snob" now? Why? If proving my points and uncovering fraud makes me a "snob," then bring me some tea and crumpets, dammit!
Unbeliever_Paradox  1 | 5  
Sep 09, 2007 | #45
I think that was the statement. I like to consider myself as the average ESL writer, although I do not work for EW. Now that I read it with a cool head, however, I realize that I may have been mistaken and I do apologize.

Errr, can anyone help me get published so I can get out if this gig? That's all I am waiting for. No serious writer likes to ghostwrite, you know.

I just quit working for someone who asked me to reword a whole e-book( I will not bloody plagiarize!!!). I'm beginning to become an "anti-filipino" filipino, too.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 09, 2007 | #46
If proving my points and uncovering fraud makes me a "snob," then bring me some tea and crumpets, dammit!

lol, that was funny.
Unbeliever_Paradox  1 | 5  
Sep 09, 2007 | #47
I'm a "snob" now? Why? If proving my points and uncovering fraud makes me a "snob," then bring me some tea and crumpets, dammit!

ahahaha...
Fae77  1 | 17  
Sep 12, 2007 | #48
You just come off as a guy who could use a really good enema. And, just for the record since you obviously misread my post, I am agreeing with you. Just because I don't care for your demeanor doesn't mean I would disagree with you.

And no, what makes you a snob to me is the continuous way you subtlety put others down, myself included. Your first post to me was rude, so was your second, and your third.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 12, 2007 | #49
You just come off as a guy who could use a really good enema.

First of all, I'm a woman.

Secondly, I'm not clogged.

Thirdly, I don't post here with the goal of making "pen pals."

Lastly, if you take facts and truths as "put downs," that your problem, not mine.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 15, 2007 | #50
Writersbeware

I dont know you and have never had any conversation with you but having read your posts I find you to be rude and ignorant. every post of yours is on the offensive and aimed at attacking others. you come across as arrogant and self opinionated and seem to have a chip on your shoulder against anyone that is not from america. you also have a very high opinion of yourself as far as your writing ability is concerned. If your essays are of such a high standard why arent you a published writer??

I mark university essays alongside several other professors I work with. I challenge you to email me one of your essays for marking by one of my colleagues to see if you can put your money were your mouth is.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2007 | #51
1. You don't like me? Get in line. You're just another in a long line of misinformed, confused apologists for dishonest and criminal behavior.

2. You "mark" university essays? Well, considering the grand assortment of grammatical blunders throughout your post, that's a disturbing thought for students, parents, and administrators.

3. Please quote for me a single post in which I belittle anyone simply for not being American. I belittle crooks of every color, creed, and national origin.

4. If you were to take the time to dislodge your skull from your rectum and do a little research before publicly proving your ignorance, you would have come across the posts in which I address my published works. (Do you also issue grades based on false assumption?)

5. You want a challenge? I now have 418 posts here. I challenge YOU to find a single grammatical error in ANY of them.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 15, 2007 | #52
Following is a conversatio, from earlier today, that I had with who appears to be the Filipino owner of the scam operation.

And you say my writing contains grammatical errors. Seems you have missed a word out and cannot spell conversation and obviously have a hang up about Filipino's. Before you start accusing me of being Filipino may I point out that I am British. Unlike you I am quite prepared to accept that nationality has very little to do with ones ability to be able to write good essays or bad ones.

I have yet to see any reference to any published work of yours and would gladly send you my published disertation if you would like to see how a good essay should be written. You could maybe find someone to read it to you to explain any of the difficult words!!
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2007 | #53
THAT'S your pathetic attempt to show that my writing skills are poor--an obvious typo? LMAO!

Is it my fault that the CROOKS from this particular Web site are Filipinos from the Philippines who use FAKE addresses in America? Did I force them to con the American public? I simply communicate the facts! Wake up, apologist!

Funny--you haven't tried refuting my evidence about the Filipino CROOKS. Instead, like other dolts, you cluelessly attempt to accuse me of racism simply because I state their TRUE nationality and TRUE location. julie24963, congratulations on being an apologist idiot of the first order!

By the way, you still can't type a decent paragraph. You have no business grading students' work.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 15, 2007 | #54
WB doesn't need me to defend her so i won't do that.

while i do understand that her abrasive style may rub some the wrong way, i seriously think that some of you have screwed up priorities. you'll post to criticize WB for being rude but you stay silent when crooks post defending their unethical business practices? eh? she's bagging on frauds and you think she should be nicer? come on...

boards like this benefit from having enforcer, no-nonsense types. the good of her posts outweigh the bad.
Fae77  1 | 17  
Sep 15, 2007 | #55
Look, all I am saying is that I don't like WB's demeanor. That doesn't mean that I disagree with anything she has to say (btw, didn't know you were a girl), as a matter of fact, having worked with essay writers all over the world, I tend to agree that non-English writers do not have the English language skills to present papers properly, this does not mean that they do not write in English, they just don't do it well compared to US, UK and Australian writers.

I've cleaned up enough messes from non-Native English speakers to know this for a fact.

I wouldn't try to write a paper in Spanish, even though I speak it.

I be from India, but I saw you making fun of writers from our country also in other thread. Let me ask, if you think Mr. Unbeliever_Paradox is competent writer, what about what you say about you being better than all ESL writers? Are you sure that Mr. Paradox is at most equal to you but not better than you? Just wanna know.

This is an exact example of mine and WB's and Latvina's point in the other thread.

I be from India?

Good English speakers write it as:

I AM from India.

This is something I have had to edit from writers who are, especially, from the mid East regions. This does not mean ALL non-Native English writers are this poor in their English language skills, but the majority are, and not for lack of intelligence, it is a difference between understanding the language and writing the language.

Latvina (I believe you are a non-Native English speaker, I think, anyways) and a few others I have come across actually understand the language because they have worked very hard to do so.

It does not make myself or WB or Latvina racists because we notice a difference between ability to write and understand a language to the ability to speak a language.

When I need a paper written in Tagalog, Cebuano, Ilocano, Hiligaynon, Waray-Waray, Kapampangan, Bikol, Pangasinan. Kinaray-a, Maranao, Maguindanao and Tausug., I will contact a Philllipino writer.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2007 | #56
This does not mean ALL non-Native English writers are this poor in their English language skills, but the majority are, and not for lack of intelligence, it is a difference between understanding the language and writing the language.

Exactly.

I want to clarify, yet again, that I have no problem at all with ESL writers. My problem is with ESL writers who lie, cheat, and steal.

I took Spanish courses for five years. Never, in a million years, would I purposely and strategically defraud Spanish consumers by claiming that I am a "native Spanish-speaking" writer who understands all of the nuances of Spanish language and culture. That would be FRAUD. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand?

I plan on taking the time to start a thread that clearly outlines all of my positions regarding ESL writers. That way, I can simply refer all of the race-baiters to that thread instead of having to defend myself from such ignorant apologists over, and over, and over again.

while i do understand that her abrasive style may rub some the wrong way, i seriously think that some of you have screwed up priorities.

Over the years, I have learned that only direct, no-nonsense statements (supported by factual evidence) can truly defeat fraudulent outfits.

I find that too many people waste so much time and energy worrying about being "polite" or "politically correct" that they lose focus on the task at hand. I will never do so. I call 'em like I see 'em.

NOTICE: If you are a Filipino con-artist from the Philippines, I am going to refer to you as "a Filipino con-artist from the Philippines" in order to provide the public with as much information as possible. I sincerely apologize if facts offend certain people. I apply the exact same rules to con-artists from Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brazzaville, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Costa Rica, Cote d'Ivoire, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic, East Timor, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Fiji, Finland, France, Gabon, Gambia, The, Georgia, Germany, Ghana, Greece, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kiribati, Korea, North, Korea, South, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Latvia, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Malta, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mexico, Federated States of Micronesia, Moldova, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Nauru, Nepal, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, Nigeria, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Palau, Panama, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Romania, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and The Grenadines, Samoa, San Marino, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Solomon Islands, Somalia, South Africa, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Sweden, Switzerland, Syria, Taiwan, Tajikistan, Tanzania, Thailand, Timor Timur, Togo, Tonga, Trinidad and Tobago, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, Tuvalu, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, United States, Uruguay, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Venezuela, Vietnam, Western Sahara, Yemen, Zambia, and Zimbabwe.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 15, 2007 | #57
Latvina (I believe you are a non-Native English speaker, I think, anyways) and a few others I have come across actually understand the language because they have worked very hard to do so.

do you mean me? if so, i guess i should respond to clarify that i am a native speaker, born in sweet home chicago (go white sox!). i read French and i'm currently learning German, but neither with great proficiency. Fae, you seem like a sweet person from your posts. i hope you have been having better luck with writing companies.

WB- you missed Puerto Rico?!?! Do you treat Puerto Ricans differently?!?!?! Don't even TRY to cover up by saying Puerto Rico isn't a country!!!

debunking the myth of being educated American writers necessarily leads to discussing the true nation of origin of these frauds. the racism charges are just trumped up ad homs. if you became nicer, this board would be boring.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 15, 2007 | #58
WB- you missed Puerto Rico?!?! Do you treat Puerto Ricans differently?!?!?! Don't even TRY to cover up by saying Puerto Rico isn't a country!!!

I believe that Puerto Ricans should be able to commit fraud at will. I love Puerto Ricans! Long-live Puerto Rican fraud! ;)
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 16, 2007 | #59
I am not an apologist as you put it I merely was pointing out that I find you rude and offensive. There are many ways in which your point could be put across but diplomacy is obviously not in your vocabulary.

You challenged me to find errors in your posts which is why I pointed out your typing errors and you constantly criticise the paragraphs I have written without specifically pointing out those parts you deem to be erroneous.

I think you will find that grammar used in the US is significantly different to other countries and there are a lot of colloquial phrases used in every country around the world. Just because my writing style does not match your American standards it does not mean that my writing is grammatically incorrect.

The essays I mark are for English University students, in particular Birmingham University whom I am employed by. I have a PHD in law and am a qualified barrister as well as lecturing in law to Open University students.

I understand your gripe about some of the essay sites purporting to employ only native American writers and using non english speaking writers and I would agree that this is fraudulent. My objection is to the way in which you chose to launch an attack on anyone that does not share your views and the diaboloical way you resort to personal insults to get your point across. Could you explain why you feel the need to belittle people in this way or is it just a way of drawing attention to yourself because you are largely ignored if you do not attack people in this manner?
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2007 | #60
I am not an apologist as you put it I merely was pointing out that I find you rude and offensive.

Nobody cares about your personal vendetta against me. Grow up, and get over it! You agree with my points, yet you waste EVERYONE'S time by posting off-topic, personal gripes against me.

Is calling attention to a missed KEYSTROKE in one word ("conversatio[n]") the best you can do? Pathetic. The fact htat you even bothered to mention such a non-factor proves your childish, amateur status.

The grammatical errors in your posts have absolutely nothing to do with differences between British and American English. Nice try, though.

Do you REALLY want me to point out all of the errors in your posts? I can do it line-by-line, if you'd like.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 16, 2007 | #61
Please do that would be so enlightening!! Yet again you have to resort to being impolite. Maybe you are just a totally disagreeable person!
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 16, 2007 | #62
I provide BLUNT, to-the-point facts. If you don' like that, tough cookies. I don't post to make friends. I post to protect American consumers from fraud.

Take your personal attacks elsewhere.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 16, 2007 | #63
I am not making a personal attack, I was merely addressing the issue of your rudeness to others and challenging whether this rudeness is really necessary just to get your point across! I abhor rudeness and have brought my children up to be respectful to others regardless of any personal issues they may have with other people. Is it too much to ask that you refrain from the unnecessary insults against people just because they don't agree with you?

Kindness and politeness costs nothing. If you want respect from others for the posts you make you have to earn respect. You are not going to get respect from others unless you can give them the same respect. I am not asking you to accept the dishonest behaviour of a minor few, but would like to think that you are educated enough to work out that most people that post on here are just employees of these companies and not the villains you make them out to be. It should be the owners of the companies that you aim your anger at and not the individuals employed by them who are just trying to make some extra money to make their lives better.

The companies who employ the writers send out the essays to the writers, regardless of whether that writer is qualified to write the type of essay requested. I have frequently been asked to write essays which are totally off subject, and because of my integrity I refuse, rather than attempt the essay and give someone a sub standard piece of work. Unfortunately other writers might feel that they are capable, since the company would not have sent them the piece of work if they did not have confidence in their ability. I have frequently corrected the work of such writers when the customer has asked for the essay to be rewritten, but this is still a fault of the company rather than the writer as they are being asked to write things that are beyond their capabilities.

I am still waiting for your line by line analysis of my grammatical errors. I would hate to think that my grammar would be sub standard when I start essay marking again at the end of this month, though I have never had any complaints in the last 10 years that I have been studying and working in this line of work.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 17, 2007 | #64
julie, your posts are unnecessary, condescending and rude. you're guilty of exactly the same things that you accuse WB of.

this is a messageboard devoted to the discussion of the fraudulent behavior of some essay providers. WB does that in spades. I have yet to see a single positive or constructive post by you on this forum. your latest post clearly identifies you as an apologist as you excuse the dishonest behavior of some writers who are "just trying to make some extra money to make their lives better."

really, that is just poor. WB may be an easy target for the courtesy police, but so what? to act as if individual criminals and unethical persons are entitled to polite behavior effectively undermines civility and class.

criticizing with no alternative is easy. How about this: if WB makes nice, will you devote the time that WB does to identifying fraudulent companies? Will you step up and call criminals out when they attempt to defend their behavior?

waiting for your answer. or will you just ignore this post like you did my last one?
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 17, 2007 | #65
It should be the owners of the companies that you aim your anger at and not the individuals employed by them who are just trying to make some extra money to make their lives better.

So, you believe it is acceptable for someone to take a job in which he/she is fully aware that his/her work defrauds countless customers, as long as the dirty money that he/she makes from engaging in such crime-by-extension makes his/her "life better"?

most people that post on here are just employees of these companies and not the villains you make them out to be.

What was I thinking? You're no apologist. (Wink, wink.)

Anyone who knowingly works for a criminal organization is also a criminal. Guilt by association, my friend.

You are not going to get respect from others unless you can give them the same respect.

I believe that all morally sound people--with a proper sense of what's right or wrong--respect my work. I do not need or want respect from criminals and apologists.

I am still waiting for your line by line analysis of my grammatical errors.

I have decided against doing so, as my desire to not help an apologist slightly outweighs my desire to embarrass one.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 17, 2007 | #66
julie, your posts are unnecessary, condescending and rude

Please enlighten me as to when I was rude. I do not believe I have resorted to any personal attack on WB and as for condescending I am merely highlighting that I find WB abrasive and rude, how is that condescending.

if WB makes nice, will you devote the time that WB does to identifying fraudulent companies? Will you step up and call criminals out when they attempt to defend their behavior?

I do not pretend to be able to identify fraudulent companies and am also prepared to accept that some of the writers who work for these companies might not be aware that the company they work for is passing themselves off as based in the US. As one who has never bothered to delve into the location of these essay writing companies I would not have any reason to not believe thweir claims in respect of location and therefore would not consider that their claims to be in the US were not bona fide.

Anyone who knowingly works for a criminal organization is also a criminal. Guilt by association, my friend.

'Knowingly' would appear to be the key word here. Unless people bother to check the validity of the claims made by these companies they would not necessarily know that the company is not located where they claim to be.

I have decided against doing so, as my desire to not help an apologist slightly outweighs my desire to embarrass one.

I thought you thrived on proving your point. Your failure to prove your point in this matter demonstrates to me that you are unable to prove your allegation
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 17, 2007 | #67
Your first post:

Your following posts are similarly flawed.

I thought you thrived on proving your point. Your failure to prove your point in this matter demonstrates to me that you are unable to prove your allegation

So, how does your foot taste?
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 17, 2007 | #68
So, how does your foot taste?

Is that the best that you can come up with, that I did not insert commas in my post? When writing on forums such as this, I have neither the inclination nor the desire to bother about the use of commas or apostrophes since it is hardly going to be submitted as a piece of written work to be marked by professors.

challenge you to email me one of your essays for marking by one of my colleagues to see if you can put your money were your mouth is

This is a colloquialism that is used in conversational English and would not be likely to be used in an essay. The phrase 'put your money where your mouth is' is used to challenge someone to prove their assertion, and is used widely in conversational English. I was not for one minute suggesting that this would be used in an essay. I would have thought you had the intelligence to understand this. Just as you used the phrase

I call 'em like I see 'em.

which is also grammatically incorrect.

Whilst we are on this point when as

LMAO!

ever been used in an essay?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone :)
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 17, 2007 | #69
You attacked me without provocation. You announced your expertise in "marking students' papers. You have proven to be irrational and unfocused. Case closed.

Your argument is utterly invalid, as you did not enclose the phrase in parentheses.

Why do you not address all of the other blatant errors? Here is the list:

* missing apostrophes
* missing commas
* missing hyphen
* incorrect capitalization
* "that" incorrectly in place of "who"
* incorrectly ending a sentence with a proposition, instead of using a prepositional phrase

Plus, as I stated, your other posts are similarly flawed. I will not waste my time outlining all of the errors in your subsequent posts.

You have shown zero credibility, neither in professional writing techniques nor in proving your defamatory accusations.

You can make whatever bulls-i* excuses that you like as to why your posts contain so many errors. You challenged me, and you lost. Pack your bags. You have nothing to contribute to this forum, except demonstrating how to make a fool of oneself.
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 17, 2007 | #70
Both Fae77 and julie24963 seem to be Filipino. I'm a Filipino myself. I read this through pinoy penster the same way I suppose Fae and Julie read it. I've written for some of the companies that you call fraudulent for hiring people like me while pretending to hire whites only. I get paid fine.

I have a question. Do you have a problem with me?
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 17, 2007 | #71
You challenged me, and you lost. Pack your bags. You have nothing to contribute to this forum, except demonstrating how to make a fool of oneself.

Touched a raw nerve there did I? I was unaware that posting on here required the use of perfect grammar and I did not hold myself up as an expert, as you put it, I merely pointed out that I mark students essays. I hardly think that qualifies anyone as an expert.

I rightly class myself as an expert in law, having qualified as a barrister, and working in the courts as a prosecutor. My membership of the Bar Council also entitles me to class myself as an expert in the field of law.

When I first challenged your rudeness, which by the way I still stand by, I was not in this least bothered about ensuring any of my posts were grammatically correct. You chose to attack my use of grammar as you could not excuse your rudeness to people, and then proceeded to challenge this to defer the subject away from your rudeness.

This is not some personal vendetta, though you seem determined on making it one. I am just as abhorrent of anyone else that resorts to personal insults and attacks on others just to get their point across. I am extremely disgusted with your use of expletives as written above, and find this inexcusable. This is the sort of behaviour I would expect from a child, who cannot get their own way, and as such I am going to treat you as one.

You are right, the topic is closed, but not because of the reasons mentioned by you above. From my point of view the topic is closed because you are rude and obnoxious and are not worthy of any respect. I will not pamper to your desire to continue being rude, and I am certainly not prepared to continue talking to someone who resorts to vile language when they are challenged about their rudeness. Goodbye!

Both Fae77 and julie24963 seem to be Filipino

Joey I am most certainly not Filipino. I am British born and bred. I live in England and work as a barrister in Lincolnshire. I have never been outside of the UK in all of my life.

Just because I defended those the WB was making comments against it does not follow that I am of that nationality. I abhor any form of race discrimination, which I suppose is good given that I work alongside people from many nations, and I am just as prepared to stand up and comment on the rudeness of anyone else on this forum.

I have no problem with you at all Joey as you have never been rude to anyone on here, however, should you resort to such behaviour then I would feel obliged to comment.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 18, 2007 | #72
julie - your last post demonstrates my point. your priorities are way off. you have no problem with unethical behavior, which is particularly disturbing since you claim to be an expert on the law, but you feel duty bound to correct rudeness.

hey joey, i have a problem with you. you knowingly perpetrate a fraud by working for a company that you know lies about your qualifications and background. you should have more self respect for yourself and stop working for those criminals.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 18, 2007 | #73
The issue of where Joey works is for his own conscience, and it is not up to me to condemn or condone whatever he chooses to do. In my opinion students should be doing this work themselves anyway, and not relying on any essay writing services to provide the essays for them. I certainly had no assistance with my work and did very well in all of my exams and coursework. It would never have entered my head to use one of these services as I would not trust anyone to write my work for me.

I admit I have written for students, and I am happy to take their money if they are foolish enough to want to part with it. Get real! If you have a choice between paying £100 for an essay or using one of the cheaper companies that only charge £30 you can expect a less quality paper. The same is true in all walks of life. If you buy a sofa at £300 it is obviously not going to be as good as one that costs £1000.

In my opinion ALL students should do their own work and not rely on others to write the essays and then pass these off as if they are their own work. As I no longer write for students, because I disagree with the way in which they pass the work off as their own rather than use it as a guideline, I think that all essay writing sites should be abolished and the students be made to do their own work. At the end of the day they are only kidding themselves that they have the capability to write a good essay by passing off other people's work as their own.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #74
This site's name is "EssayScam.org," not "EssayCourtesy.org."

I'm not polite to any of the following types of people:

1. criminals
2. frauds
3. dishonest, ESL writers who pose as native English-speaking Americans
4. apologists

From the APOLOGIST HYPOCRITE, julie24963:

In my opinion ALL students should do their own work and not rely on others to write the essays and then pass these off as if they are their own work.

julie24963 is not only a criminal apologist, but an all-star hypocrite, as well:

I admit I have written for students, and I am happy to take their money if they are foolish enough to want to part with it.

Get lost, julie24963. Your posts are worthless.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 18, 2007 | #75
Not a hypocrite, just honest. I also pointed out that I NO LONGER write for them, as I consider it unethical that they should submit my work as though it is their own.

julie24963 is not only a criminal apologist, but an all-star hypocrite, as well:

Tell that to all the criminal I have successfully prosecuted and put behind bars. The real criminals are those committing murders, rapists and child abusers. Low on the agenda is those that rip off lazy students who cannot be bothered to get off their bums and write their own essays.

WB you talk about essay companies who lie to students about their credential, what about students lying to their academic establishments by passing someone else's work off as their own?
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 18, 2007 | #76
you should have more self respect for yourself and stop working for those criminals.

Is it my fault that jobs that I could "honestly" acquire in the Philippines pays squat? Is it my fault that our ****ing politicians mooch off our taxes so much that there is virtually nothing left for us to live on? Where I live, goverment employees won't process your papers without a bribe. Where I live, you get charged as much as 15% off your wages and another 12% off anything you buy. Where I live, roads keep getting repaired even if there's nothin wrong with them just so the local congressman can get his commission from contractors. If I work a full 8 hours a day here, I get less than $250 a month. Writing homework for other people pays more than twice of that for less work time.

Americans must be way more honest since you people can apparently turn your noses up on me for trying to get by by doing what I do best the best way I can.

You got a problem with me? Working my job means being able to put food on the table for my little siblings. It means being able to send them to school and being able to go to school myself. If the consequence of that is you or anyone else here having a problem with me, **** you.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #77
Your circumstances, however unfortunate, do not give you the right to lie, cheat, and steal from innocent consumers. You are the willing, enabling factor in the criminal enterprise for which you dishonestly work.

Criminal outfits like AccessEssays.com and EssayWriters.net could not survive without the willing cooperation of crooked writers.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 18, 2007 | #78
Criminal outfits like AccessEssays.com and EssayWriters.net could not survive without the willing cooperation of crooked writers.

And students might not pass their courses if they do not get others to do their work for them!!
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #79
OK, everyone knows that you are an apologist for criminal behavior. For you, two "wrongs" do make a "right." We get it--no need to beat a dead horse.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 18, 2007 | #80
That is not my point at all as well you know, but then I would expect you to defend students who submit work as their own as you are obvioulsy making a profit from writing their work for them. Does it not prick your conscience that students are submitting your work as their own?




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