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joey009  - | 32  
Sep 18, 2007 | #81
You are the willing, enabling factor in the criminal enterprise for which you dishonestly work.

**** that and **** you. I've rarely had a customer complaint and whenever I do, it's always from some schmoe who's trying to get a freebie. You're just pissed because we get the action that you're supposed to be getting. You're one greedy ***** aint'cha?

*yipes.. after reading about how fat and ugly people make you out to be, I've decided to retract my second statement. I won't **** you if you were the last she-whale on the planet!*

Sa mga pinoy na nakakabasa nito: palagay ko, kasing taba nitong balyenang to si malou fernandez. Magkasing fanet kasi sila ng ugali.
pious  - | 69  
Sep 18, 2007 | #82
Is it my fault that jobs that I could "honestly" acquire in the Philippines pays squat?

Maybe it's the fault of your president who, we heard, cheated her way to the presidency. How can a morally depraved leader who lacks public approval and confidence properly serve her citizens? A counterfeit president is there only for the power and never the service.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Sep 18, 2007 | #83
This is getting interesting ^_____^
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 18, 2007 | #84
The issue of where Joey works is for his own conscience, and it is not up to me to condemn or condone whatever he chooses to do.

i agree with you that students should not be passing the work of others off as their own. i think that your judgement of individuals who purchase essays is overly harsh, however. not everyone cheats. as has been posted elsewhere, there are companies that will flat out tell their clients not to turn the work in as their own. these companies also do not transfer copyright. i've worked personally with enough students to see that these essay services can provide very beneficial guides to writing, particularly for ESL students who are still learning the language.

do some of the students that i've worked with turn in my work as their own? probably. i know of one case where that happened and i stopped working with that client. there are so many people seeking help that a qualified writer has no trouble picking and choosing clients. the risk of cheating with essays doesn't justify completely ceasing the activity anymore than it would justify ending tutoring or editing services.

but there also has to be a point where we accept that some will misuse the products or services being offered and, instead of stopping the service, look for ways to stop the abuse. i wouldn't stop the publication of textbooks, journal articles or workbooks and supplemental educational texts just b/c someone has the same ability to plagiarize those works as they do an essay. i wouldn't stop knife manufacturers from making knives just b/c someone can use them to stab a neighbor instead of cutting a steak either.

The real criminals are those committing murders, rapists and child abusers. Low on the agenda is those that rip off lazy students who cannot be bothered to get off their bums and write their own essays.

i really hope you don't mean this in the way that it reads. one person determining who is worthy of legal protection and who isn't is a really disturbing suggestion.

and this statement contradicts your previous statement. you don't judge Joey for directly engaging in unethical and fraudulent business practices but you do clearly judge the nameless students you assume are using Joey's work as homework. how exactly do you distinguish between the two groups? your position CAN'T be that poor(er) people are held to lower moral standards than those with a disposable income.

Is it my fault that jobs that I could "honestly" acquire in the Philippines pays squat? Is it my fault that our ****ing politicians mooch off our taxes so much that there is virtually nothing left for us to live on?

honestly? yah it is. if you don't like your government, you have two options. 1. work to change the system. 2. leave and live elsewhere. don't use your government's poor behavior to justify yours.

look, i didn't go searching for this fight, you did. if you honestly believe that writing essays to make extra money is your best option (and maybe it is, i don't know you or your circumstances) then work for a legitimate company, not one who, as you put it, is

pretending to hire whites only.

you can make 2-3x more money working for a legit company than you will working for these crooks and you won't be helping them to spread their discriminatory and fraudulent message.

*yipes.. after reading about how fat and ugly people make you out to be, I've decided to retract my second statement. I won't **** you if you were the last she-whale on the planet!*

what a disturbing example of blatant sexism. julie will you be correcting this poster for rudeness too?
jessi  - | 1  
Sep 18, 2007 | #85
Sa mga pinoy na nakakabasa nito: palagay ko, kasing taba nitong balyenang to si malou fernandez. Magkasing fanet kasi sila ng ugali.

d ko alam itsura ni m. fernandez. pero sang-ayon ako na pareho sila ng ugali ^^
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #86
You're just pissed because we get the action that you're supposed to be getting.

LOL, I don't work for peanuts, crook. Unlike you, I don't sell my soul to the devil by working for criminal outfits like AccessEssays and EssayWriters, cheating people every day and justifying it by moaning about my own, personal hardships. The reason that you are so outwardly hateful towards honest writers and fraud-fighters is because you hate yourself for being such a dirty crook, but you don't have enough moral fiber to admit your devious practices or cease them altogether.

I earned an advanced degree from a legitimate university in the United States. I am able to spend so much time uncovering fraud by crooks--including your employers--and monitor this message board every day because I have been highly successful as a legitimate, professional writer.

Moderator, please remove the non-English posts. If you read joey009's latest posts, I think it's pretty clear that those should be his last.

For those of you who justify your criminal careers by claiming that students "deserve" to be cheated because they "all plagiarize," I suggest that you read this:

essayfraud/plagiarism.html
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 18, 2007 | #87
really hope you don't mean this in the way that it reads. one person determining who is worthy of legal protection and who isn't is a really disturbing suggestion.

I was not for one moment suggesting that one person should determine who is more worthy of legal protection than another, however in such matters regarding the selling of substandard essays this area rightly belongs within in the realms of civil law in the UK. The courts would not regard this as a criminal action regardless of the lies told by the companies as to their country of origin or the nationality of their writers. In English law the courts would expect those that have paid for the essays and are not happy with the services provided to pursue a claim in the small claims court under civil procedure.

If the companies where taking money from the customers and then not providing anything in return then the courts would view this as criminal and would prosecute them for fraud. It is not viewed by the English courts as fraud if a company lies about its country of origin etc.

As for your comment about me not judging Joey that is not the point I was making as I clearly stated in one of my previous posts is that is for Joey to reconcile his conscience with. Joey clearly accepts that the company he works for pretends that he is a native English speaking writer and is obviously not bothered about this lack of integrity so long as it provides him with an income. The point I was trying to make is that the students paying for the essays are surely not so naive to believe that they are going to get a good quality essay if they are paying budget prices. Following from this they must the question the kind of writer that would be prepared to write such a lengthy essay for such a ridiculous price which should then lead to the conclusion that the writer is probably a native of a country were the wages are particularly low such a third world countries. This should then make them question the content of the essay they will receive given that the writer is more than likely not going to be a native speaker of English.

yipes.. after reading about how fat and ugly people make you out to be, I've decided to retract my second statement. I won't **** you if you were the last she-whale on the planet!*

Joey any respect you might have had from me has been extinguished by the fact that you have chosen to resort to the kind of behaviour I condemned from WB. Your use of asterix to mask expletives also deserves condemnation as there is absolutely no reason for you to behave in this manner. You have demeaned yourself to the level of WB in your rudeness and are therefore no better than she is with regard to manners.

For those of you who justify your criminal careers by claiming that students "deserve" to be cheated because they "all plagiarize," I suggest that you read this:

It has not been my suggestion that cheating students deserve to receive plagairised essays. My opinion is that they should not be allowed to use the essays as their own work. Whilst I accept the comments made by Lavinia that there are some companies out there that inform the students that they are not to use the essays as their own, they have absolutely no way of being able to stop this from happening totally. It is blatantly obvious when comparing a students coursework with a submitted essay that in some cases these essays are not their own work as the essay contains language or style not found in their class work. I welcome the fact that many universities are now challenging such discrepancies and failing students when it becomes apparent that the essay they have submitted has been from an essay writing site. I hope that the continued plan of action by the universities will eventually discourage all students from submitting someone else's work as their own.

WB I notice you did not answer my post as to how you reconcile your conscience when you must be aware that some of the essays you write will be submitted by your customers as their own work. Do you think this is ethical and morally right or should they be condemned in the same way that you are condemning those companies that lie to the students? If you condone their activity than you are no better than Joey and co who write for fraudulent companies as you put it and if you don't condone it then you are a hypocrite for continuing to write essays knowing they will be submitted as someone else's work. So which are you?
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #88
I have stated NUMEROUS times that I do not write for essay companies. You may want to READ my previous posts that communicate such, the last of which was only ONE HOUR ago: I uncover fraud to protect consumers and warn legitimate, freelance writers.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 18, 2007 | #89
You did not say specifically in your last post that you do not write yourself, you said, and I quote, ' I don't work for peanuts' that does not necessarily mean that you don't write!

Even if you are not a writer you do condone those you class as legitimate freelance writers. How do you honestly feel about them selling their essays to others to be submitted as someone else's work? Do you think it is acceptable for students to cheat in this way and do you think that freelance writers should encourage such cheating by providing these services?

I personally think the whole practice should cease entirely and that students seeking help with essays should approach their lecturers or that sites could be set up where students submit their own work for proofreading and where the students could have access to advisors that could suggest ways in which the work could be improved. That way the essay would be the work of the student and any amendments suggested by the advisor could be incorporated or not as the student sees fit.

What is your stance on this issue? Do you not think that students using freelance writers work should be condemned for this behaviour and fail their course if they are caught submitting someone else's work as their own?
essayer  - | 118  
Sep 18, 2007 | #90
joey009, i must agree that your last post was highly uncalled for and unethical. it was both reprehensibly chauvinistic and discriminatory of the plumpier members of humankind.

also, you and everyone else should not make non-English posts, obviously out of respect for those who don't speak nor read your tongue.

however, let me express--for whatever it's worth--my sincere sympathies for the suffering of the Philippines due to the corruption and the iniquity of its government.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #91
Look, I'm not going to let you get away with your continued nonsense. You know damn well that you did not include the ENTIRE quote. Here's the part that you PURPOSELY did not include:

"I don't sell my soul to the devil by working for criminal outfits like Access Essays and essay writers, cheating people every day and justifying it by moaning about my own, personal hardships."

I have also stated, in numerous other posts before your arrival, that I do NOT work for essay sites. Do proper research before posting blatantly incorrect information! Your posts are irresponsible and void of facts on all major points that you attempt to make!

Now, since you did not bother to read the link that I posted, I will now quote the text from the page:

"The First Amendment guarantees all American citizens the right to free speech. We are free to think, speak, read, or write whatever we wish. That is what makes America the greatest country on Earth. However, there is a vast difference between conducting legitimate research and engaging in literary theft. Essay Fraud condemns academic fraud and plagiarism in any form.

Consumers have the right to expect that the example, custom research and unique ideas for which they pay will not be plagiarized from a third party. If a consumer contracts a freelance writer to research and compose an example document from which the consumer intends to glean unique insights/viewpoints on a given topic, the consumer must properly cite that writer and/or that writer's employing Web site when writing his/her own paper. Now, if the freelance writer deceives the paying consumer by plagiarizing from a third party, the consumer's bibliographical reference to that freelance writer and/or that writer's employing Web site will not be accurate! Therefore, it is the completely honest consumer who can be accused of academic fraud because his/her cited sources are not genuine.

We believe that legitimate research services have every right to compose sample research documents on all topics for consumers to reference and properly cite as secondary sources of information. There is nothing wrong with a consumer purchasing a sample research document, as long as that consumer properly cites quoted text within parentheses throughout the consumer's own, original, personally-written paper, and lists the quoted sources in a bibliography. Consumers must also properly acknowledge any paraphrased material or unique ideas, as well as consulted (albeit not directly quoted) sources in a 'Works Consulted' list that follows the bibliography."

essayfraud/plagiarism.html
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 18, 2007 | #92
This may well be your belief, however, although students are supposed to quote their sources in their essays, even if they are using essay writing websites, there are always going to be those that do not bother to alter any of the essays sent to them, nor properly quote the writers for their work. You are living in a bubble if you seriously think that all students use the essay writing services for referencing only.

Having recently marked a series of essays submitted by students 3 of the marked essays were clearly not the work of the student and there was no mention that the students had used such essay writing sites as secondary sources. All three failed their final exam and have been expelled from the university. This is a fact not idle speculation!

This also does not prove that you are not a writer, just that you are not a writer for the 2 sites mentioned in your post.

I note that you still fail to answer the question on your stance on 'cheating' students. You try to flout this question by stating that the American education system allows students to use essay writing sites so long as they quote them in their text. What about those students that make no alteration whatsoever to the essay they have paid for and then submit it as their own work? Please do not pretend that this does not happen as I have just proven above that this indeed does happen.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #93
Again, julie24963, your arguments make no sense, whatsoever.

What about those students that make no alteration whatsoever to the essay they have paid for and then submit it as their own work?

"Guns don't kill people; people kill people."

End of story.

Are you actually suggesting that companies do not have the right to write example research documents for reference because of the possible misuse by a small percentage of clients? Are you out of your mind?

Julie24963, while you're at it, why don't you lobby Congress for a ban on all vehicles, as well? After all, people have used vehicles as weapons to kill thousands of other people throughout the years.

Campaign ad:
"CHRYSLER, FORD, TOYOTA, CHEVROLET--SHAME ON YOU!"
Paid for by Idiots for Julie24963, 2008
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 18, 2007 | #94
Having recently marked a series of essays submitted by students 3 of the marked essays were clearly not the work of the student and there was no mention that the students had used such essay writing sites as secondary sources.

this is an interesting bit of information that you raise. however, i don't think that it supports your argument.

was it proved that these students used essay services to produce these essays? if they were, then your example demonstrates that the academic community is capable of catching cheaters. if they weren't, then it demonstrates that some students will get others to write their papers without resorting to professional writing services and also that the academic community is capable of catching cheaters. in either case, your example fails to demonstrate how or why removing the essay writing service industry would help stop students from cheating (and that the academic community is capable of catching cheaters). no further industrial action is needed.

it's not that i don't doubt that some students use these services to cheat. however, i am quite confident that for every empirical example of a cheater using an essay service, i can point to a student whose knowledge and performance has been honestly and ethically helped by the same service. you just aren't going to win that every student who uses one of these services is going to cheat with the finished product and you also can't win that ending the industry will stop all future cheating.

ultimately, i think your solution of removing the industry is short-sighted. in fact, i would argue that the increased publicity over the threat of cheating that has been generated as a result of this industry's success is a good thing that has helped improve university standards.

essay writing services have helped to increase the performance bar for academic discipline. university professors are now challenged to create assignments that are unique rather than cookie-cutter. this means requiring particular books, excluding generic topics and generally tailoring assignments to be different and challenging. responsible university professors can no longer allow students to complete a class based upon essays alone. so this increases the use of non-essay forms of testing, including written tests, oral tests and class presentations. this also presses university professors to better get to know their students, instead of treating them like a number at a distance. only by interacting with a student can a professor really get a good idea of cheating. all good things.

this industry didn't start cheating. however, it did bring academic performance under greater public and private scrutiny, resulting in universities adjusting their requirements to make cheating more difficult. just like WB's often aggressive posts, this industry does more good than bad.

a little evidence to support my previous post.

first, despite the fervor of concern over essay mills, they represent only a miniscule amount of actual academic cheating taking place.

The source is George Dunbar, University of Warwick, "The management of academic dishonesty: a survey of practice in UK psychology departments" 2005.

"Of the 23 departments responding to this item, 19 listed copying from published
sources such as textbooks and articles as the most common or second most common form of cheating detected, estimating on average that this accounted for 42% of cases. Copying from the internet was also relatively frequent, with 9 departments listing this as the most common type, at an average 21% of cases. However, only two departments recorded any incidents of students purchasing essays, and this was even rarer than cheating during invigilated examinations, which averaged under 2% of cases. This result for buying essays is in line with

the Freshminds (2004) survey of UK students, which found less than 1% of the sample admitted to buying from an "essay mill". Fabrication of project data was also relatively unusual at 6% of cases. The other relatively common form of cheating was unfair co-operation between students. Around 29% of cases were accounted for by copying another student's work or other forms of illicit collusion"

Polly Curtis, Guardian Unlimited 2004.
education.guardian.co.uk/students/work/story/0,,1250786,00.html

"Of those polled by FreshMinds research consultancy, 75% said they had never cheated in this way, while 9% said they had once. Some 16% said they had cheated more often - indicating that most offenders relied on cheating regularly.

However, very few were found to be employing online essay services, with most opting to copy segments from the internet into their own papers, or relying too heavily on past essay examples. "

Patrick Scanlon, from College Teaching, 2003 further notes that the claim that plagiarism has increased as a result of the internet is not correct:

"Only recently has online plagiarism been studied systematically, with results suggesting that anxiety over Internet-facilitated textual theft by college students may be fueled by misperceptions. In a survey of 698 students on nine campuses, Scanlon and Neumann (2002) found that students who went online to cut and paste text without citation constituted 24.5 percent of the sample, a level of Internet plagiarism similar to the numbers reported by McCabe and Trevino (1996) for "conventional" plagiarism. Only 2.3 percent of students in Scanlon and Neumann's study reported purchasing papers from online term-paper mills "often" or "very frequently," and 6 percent admitted to buying papers "sometimes." Another recent multicampus study revealed even lower numbers. Citing data from a survey of 2,200 college students on twenty-one campuses, McCabe found that 10 percent reported copying "a few sentences from a Web site without footnoting them," and 5 percent admitted to turning in a paper "obtained in large part from a term-paper mill or Web site" (2001, 41).

second, the existence of the industry makes cheating more difficult.

findings of a more recent study at the University of Illinois, Champagne-Urbana

sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/05/020501073710.htm

"Ironically, paper mills may in the long run make plagiarism more difficult, the professors said. For one thing, paper mills have "created a niche for plagiarism-detection software." Also, what is available online is "of middling quality at best; students may reach the same conclusion." And, with the spread of printed matter now being scanned and put online, plagiarism-detection programs are increasingly capable of catching passages taken from printed sources"

and this is further supported by the proliferation of new university-sponsored websites that discuss plagiarism and means to combat its prevalence. if you wanted to see one, i'd suggest the University of Iowa, which if i remember correctly also has an excellent graduate level creative writing program.
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 18, 2007 | #95
it was both reprehensibly chauvinistic and discriminatory of the plumpier members of humankind.

The ugly she-whale deserved it. She had it coming to her, I just served it up her ***. She says that she's a "legitimate" author who's so rich that she can spend all her time "monitoring" these boards to stop fraud. She thinks it's enough that she tells everyone this for no one to suspect that she's just another detractor. How prepostrous is that? Being a professional detractor ain't so bad *****, you shouldn't be afraid to tell us what you do for a living. What's bad is that you generalize the inefficiency of an entire race at academic writing. That's where we start *****-slapping you back.

d ko alam itsura ni m. fernandez. pero sang-ayon ako na pareho sila ng ugali ^^

nakuha mo tsong!

A counterfeit president is there only for the power and never the service.

gago. pinoy ka din ulol. kita-kits na lang sa iris!
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #96
First of all, you scandalous piece of trash, I'm not fat. I run almost 2 miles every morning, except on Sundays. I also lift weights and do aerobics 4 days per week.

Don't let facts get in the way of your crime-based imagination, though.

By the way, you pinheaded dolt, I'd love for you to quote for me exactly where I have EVER belittled a "race."

Hurry up, you criminal moron!
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 18, 2007 | #97
First of all, you scandalous piece of trash, I'm not fat. I run almost 2 miles every morning, except on Sundays. I also lift weights and do aerobics 4 days per week

YEah Right! Like how you're a successful published writer and all that crap. Why don't you take the extra mile and claim that you landed on the moon yesterday while you're at it! Among the many insecure, pathetic pieces of **** that I've had the misfortune of meeting online, you are definitely the most insecure (you're not the most pathetic though, but you're close!). You are in fact so insecure, that you even challenge people to proofread your posts just to prove that you don't commit grammar mistakes, and when they DO find mistakes (julie did), you just laugh it off as thought they weren't there. Don't you have any other achievements aside from being a second-rate human grammar checker? How many grammar mistakes can you count in this post, you fat ugly *****?!?

By the way, you pinheaded dolt, I'd love for you to quote for me exactly where I have EVER belittled a "race."

On top of being an ugly slab of blubber, you're also a ****ing blind ***** of a fugly she-whale! I don't need to quote because it's all over this thread.

To Lavinia:

You say that if I work for one of the companies you take for as "legitimate", I'll make 2-3 times more than what I make now? Would they hire someone like me or do I have to kill a white man and wear his white face before I can be considered for a job?
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 18, 2007 | #98
LOL, your pathetic posts don't even warrant responses from anyone.

Everyone, please ignore this racist simpleton. He obviously has many psychological "issues" and incredibly low self-esteem.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 18, 2007 | #99
was it proved that these students used essay services to produce these essays?

Yes Lavinia it was proved that they had used essay writing sites and on more than one ocassion too.

You might like to read the below article

manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1008/1008291_cheating_students _exposed.html

Manchester University is one of the universities that I mark for and you will note that in the article it states

'Nine of the students were later cleared but four were expelled because their cheating was so serious. The other cases were dealt with a range of penalties including a downgrading of marks.'

I know the article does not specifically mention that they were using essay writing sites but I know the 4 that were expelled and know this to be the reason as I was instrumental in their dismissal.

You might also like to read the following article were a student admits to using such essays as her own

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3265143.stm

I will post more later as I am about to leave for work. Busy day in the courts today so need to get an early start on preparing my submission to the judge.
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 19, 2007 | #100
interesting articles julie, but they prove my point, not yours.

i'm fully willing to concede that about 1-2% of the students who cheat do so using custom online essays. that's what my academic research journals claim and that's exactly in line with your own articles - the first article says that "nearly 500 students tried to trick their lecturers last year, mainly by copying work from the Internet and passing it off as their own coursework." i'll believe you when you say that the four were expelled because of purchasing essays from agencies, that's the 1% i concede. of course, the line that i quoted from your article states that the majority of students cheating were doing so by copying work from the 'net and NOT from buying essays.

the second article you link makes the same point. one student admitted to buying essays... that does not a majority make. most students cheat by cutting and pasting off the internet. well... that's a great argument for banning the internet, isn't it?

and no offense, but i don't consider the BBC the end all be all of statistics. i quoted academic studies (2 conducted in the U.K.) to get my data. i don't think you really want to make the argument that the BBC > controlled, academic studies.

give me one piece of academic evidence that contradicts my 1-2% figures. i'll set my bar low - give me one piece of reasonably recent (within the last three years) academic evidence that empirically demonstrates 20% or more of all cheating is facilitated by online essay sales and i'll be impressed. or, give me one piece of evidence that says banning the essay writing industry will stop students from cheating. that's your claim and you have to provide something to back that up beyond anecdotal experience.

otherwise, look at what you're arguing: 1-2% cheating and you ban an industry? how is that reasonable? if that's your margin, then we have to ban all professional journals, the internet and the publishing industries too b/c there are a heck of a lot more students cheating by plagiarizing them.

and let's not forget, you conceded my point that the existence of essay mills actually makes cheating harder. that was the conclusion of a professor at the university of illinois (my home state /cheer) after studying this. the threat of mass cheating through essay mill use, the very fear that you seem to have, is what is creating academic reform to make the education system stronger and requirements more rigorous. even your own article concedes that the way to stop cheating is by improving the academy:

But Prof Bassnett says universities have to take tougher measures, including "sending down" - expelling people.
"Universities have to be more rigorous in their monitoring.
"Students need to be motivated through quality of teaching resources and coherent monitoring and penalty of expulsion.
"When a student is sent down, the rest take notice," she said.

that is not an endorsement to ban an industry. the industry existing keeps the academy conscious of the threat of plagiarism, something that they've frankly been lax on in the past.

and frankly, more reform needs to happen. my husband and i live in california. my husband is a professor and by state law the WORST that he can give a student that he catches cheating is a zero on the assignment. he can't fail them in the course or get them kicked out of school. that is ridiculous. i'm hoping that california, along with a lot of other places, wake up and start holding students up to higher standards, period. if we take away the perceived threat of essay mills by banning the industry, all that will accomplish is academic complacency while students who want to cheat figure out how to cheat. that's going backwards, not forward.

and my evidence post-dates and assumes yours. Prof. Bassnett, your big academic advocate, is from Warwick University, which is the home of my first cited piece of evidence, which points out that inflamatory rhetoric spouted out by folks like Prof. Bassnett about the horrors of online cheating overstates the problem and does not accurately reflect the statistical reality of the cheating world.

so, good job on catching the 4 students... but again, that proves my point. that schools are catching the cheaters means there is no reason to condemn an industry that actually helps other students. kick out the cheaters, i have no problem with that, and i'm 99.6% certain that even if you do that I will have plenty of legitimate customers. the perception that essay mills are these ultra tools for the throngs of cheaters isn't supported by the facts.

back in college, i got to debate against the UK parliamentary team and i got my butt kicked, but i'm protected from your charming British accent by the wonders of the internet. so, you need to do a little bit better with proving your point.
pious  - | 69  
Sep 19, 2007 | #101
gago. pinoy ka din ulol. kita-kits na lang sa iris

I just translated your post directed at me using Filipino software and you are calling me 'stupid' and 'mad'?! You are a dog-sh_t of a he-whale shark with the fetish for male canals! Your low kind should be BANNED from this forum. Ugh, you sc_um d_ick represents the poo_p of your race.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 19, 2007 | #102
Pious, joey009. Don't give it the satisfaction of an acknowledgment.

I just thought I'd remind everyone of the FACTS about AccessEssays's fraudulent enterprise that I reported in the original post of this thread:

The apologist and the crooks took this thread off-topic.
pious  - | 69  
Sep 19, 2007 | #103
Pious, joey009 is sub-human. Don't give it the satisfaction of an acknowledgment.

Yeah, you're right WB. Maybe even a sub-DOG... out to up a _ick.
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 19, 2007 | #104
Everyone, please ignore this racist simpleton. He obviously has many psychological "issues" and incredibly low self-esteem.

Oh right! Now I'm a simpleton? What makes me a simpleton fatso? Did I expose you for the second-rate grammar checker that you are and made you cry so hard that you think asking people to ignore me would make me stop squishing your face with my boot? Fat chance gago (Pun intended). How many grammar mistakes are there is this post you ugly lump of stinking cellulite?

I just translated your post directed at me using Filipino software and you are calling me 'stupid' and 'mad'?!

Tangina mo.

"Filipino software" my ***. Why didn't you tell them what the rest of what I said meant? Huli ka na tsongo!
pious  - | 69  
Sep 19, 2007 | #105
"Why didn't you tell them what the rest of what I said meant? Huli ka na tsongo!

Poo_p dog cellulite _ick hole. T'was a dictionary software and the rest save for one or two were untranslatable.

Dog joey # 9, you resort to low language because your logic is pathetically woeful and your gray matter execrably canine. Don't hide behind your local tongue, idiot!

Doggie, YOU TRANSLATE them so the whole world would know what muck of a crapper you and your posts are.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 19, 2007 | #106
squishing your face with my boot

My husband will be in Manila to finalize a legitimate business deal on October 9-11. If you happen to be in the area, he would be more than happy to beat you to a bloody pulp.
julie24963  3 | 122  
Sep 19, 2007 | #107
Lavinia

I was going to post you my research on student cheating as promised earlier, however I will have to do this another night as I have just got back from a case conference on a child abuse case and I still have 3 cases to prepare for court tomorrow. Its all a bit crazy where I live right now we have had 2 murders within 2 days of each other and I have been called in to advise on evidence and forensic submissions that need doing in order to prove the offence.

I have not forgotten that I have promised to provide proof of my assertions on here and will do this as soon as I get chance to. I must get on with work right now. I expect I will be up till 3am like the last 2 days in a row. The one bonus is the big fat pay cheque once the trial is complete :)
Lavinia  4 | 495 ☆☆   Freelance Writer
Sep 19, 2007 | #108
no worries julie, i'll watch for your response.

WB - sorry for contributing to the thread diversion. it was a good initial post and i think the fact that it got diverted demonstrates that there was no direct way to refute your claims.
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 19, 2007 | #109
My husband will be in Manila to finalize a legitimate business deal on October 9-1

And I thought you said you were going to ignore me. Couldn't resist, can you? You must really be pissed off, fatso. It's not everyday that someone actually takes the time to kick your pathetic blubbery *** is it? Well lucky for you, I'm in a very giving mood.

A husband you say? Are you sure you even have a husband? I don't think unripe bananas and #2 pencils count as husbands! LOL! Tell you what dip****, I'm going to call you on your stupid challenge. Just tell me when and where your "husband" wants me to be and I'll be there. I happen to live in Manila and can get around the city quite easily. Let's see who beats who to a bloody pulp.

By the way *****, I still don't see you counting any grammar errors in my posts.

WB - sorry for contributing to the thread diversion. it was a good initial post and i think the fact that it got diverted demonstrates that there was no direct way to refute your claims.

Or it demonstrates that how the issue was brought out was completely insensitive to the general Filipino ghost writing community. I don't write for the companies stated at the beginning of this thread but I know a lot of filipino ghost writers who do work for companies that you consider fraudulent simply because they are the ones who hire us. I asked you earlier, can you point me to a company you consider "legitimate" who'd pay me more than what I'm earning now?

Poo_p dog cellulite _ick hole. T'was a dictionary software and the rest save for one or two were untranslatable.

Was this an online software, dung breath? Can you post the link here?
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 19, 2007 | #110
Where is your proof that I am fat? LMAO! This is a shining example of the type of falsification and baseless conjecture that amateur, ESL, con-artist writers like joey009 pass off to customers as "genuine research."

Joey009, don't you have another dog to eat? It's finger-lickin' good! Get cookin'!
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 19, 2007 | #111
My my my.... if you're not the fat, ugly dung hole that you are then WHY ARE YOU SO AFFECTED?!? LOL!!! Why the crap do I need to make "genuine research" on how best to insult you and make you cry? You can't find a single grammar mistake in my posts so you resort to this kind of ****? You are so pathetic!

So when and where does your "husband" want me to be, *****?

Oh and by the way, I happen to eat dog meat. It's a delicacy here, you see. Your insults are lame. The only thing you ever said that had any effect on me was your blatant insult of all competent, hardworking Filipino writers who happen to work for companies that you consider illegitimate.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 19, 2007 | #112
You can't find a single grammar mistake in my posts

ROTFLMAO! I rest my case.

"Grammar" is a noun, not an adjective, you flaming idiot!

I won't bother pointing out all of the other grammatical errors in your posts. I take great pleasure in the fact that, as an unqualified, ESL writer, you do not even recognize the blatant, grammatical errors in your writing, even while bragging about its "flawless" nature. Now, THAT is funny!

your blatant insult of all competent, hardworking Filipino writers

For the third time, please quote the post in which I made such a claim.

Do you even know the meaning of "research" or "fact"?

I'm sure that true, competent, hardworking, Filipino writers are quite proud that you represent them so well.
pious  - | 69  
Sep 19, 2007 | #113
Was this an online software, dung breath? Can you post the link here?

Go to softpedia downloads. Find the link yourself, filthy dog dung breath.

By the way, the one I got (there were several choices, I believe) is bilingual. You'll find it useful to improve your sickening English language use.
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 19, 2007 | #114
"Grammar" is a noun, not an adjective, you flaming idiot!

And you tell me you don't want to bother counting? Is it really that you don't want to bother pointing out my mistakes or is it that you CAN'T FIND ANY?!? Everyone here knows that you can't resist showcasing your second rate grammar-checking prowess. If I did write bad English, you'd have pointed it out several posts ago (as demonstrated by your actions above!). It's not even a solid error. Is ballerina a noun? If I say "You have ballerina feet" instead of saying "Your feet are like a ballerina's", am I committing a grave grammar mistake?

What about your "husband", *****? I'm not going to let you off the hook. If you're not a liar, you'd keep to what you said about him going to manila to "beat me to a bloody pulp" and tell me when and where you want it to happen.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 19, 2007 | #115
Wow, you're a complete idiot, whihc is, by now, completely apparent to everyone. Aallow me educate you a tad, ESL crook:

"Ballerina"--as you employed it in the example sentence above--is functioning as an ADJECTIVE, you pathetic moron! (You continue to prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that even "qualified," ESL writers often do not understand the intricacies of writing in the English langauge.) To communicate the same message, while using "Ballerina" as a noun, one would have to type, "You have the feet of a ballerina."

Dog-eating savage, would you like yet another, embarrassing lesson in using proper grammar?

My husband would crack your skinny neck, retard. What are you, a buck-fifty at most, little man? My husband played football at U.C. Berkeley for 4 years. His right leg probably weighs more than you.

It's always the weakling who types a tough game while hiding behind a computer.
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 19, 2007 | #116
"Ballerina"--as you employed it in the example sentence above--is functioning as an ADJECTIVE

Right! Now answer this, can the noun "grammar" be used in the same manner? Furthermore, is "Your feet are like a ballerina's" grammatically incorrect?

It's always the weakling who types a tough game while hiding behind a computer.

I ain't playing any ****ing games with you *****. You're the one who bragged about your husband "beating me to a bloody pulp". Now I'm calling your bluff. If I don't see your 'husband" next month that only means one thing: YOU ARE A ****ing LIAR! You got no excuses on this one. I can go anywhere in Manila from Paranaque to Caloocan. There ain't any place in the city that I can't meet your "husband" at. Just give me a date and place, fatso.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 20, 2007 | #117
grammatically

Ah, I see you've learned something, finally using "grammatically" correctly.

Your follow-up questions are utterly pointless. I have already proven to everyone that your grasp of the English language is flawed.

I'm still waiting for you to quote the post in which I stated that "all competent, hardworking Filipino writers" are fraudulent. You made the accusation, so all you have to do now is show everyone the quote!

As for my husband, I'll nail down a time and location tomorrow. This is going to be the worst mistake of your life, dog-eater.
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 20, 2007 | #118
Ha! Why are they pointless? My follow-up questions only prove that

You can't find a single grammar mistake in my posts so you resort to this kind of ****?

is hardly a bad English sentence. That's because nouns can be used as adjectives, lamebrain! You've proven squat! The only thing you did was showcase your second-rate grasp of the English language.

I'm still waiting for you to quote the post in which I stated that "all competent, hardworking Filipino writers" are fraudulent. You made the accusation, so all you have to do now is show everyone the quote!

I got you again, *****! How convenient of you to leave out the rest of my statement while you were quoting me. I said:

...your blatant insult of all competent, hardworking Filipino writers who happen to work for companies that you consider illegitimate.

So tell us fatso, what do you think of me, and all the other Filipinos who work for the companies you hopelessly try to put down?

As for my husband, I'll nail down a time and location tomorrow. This is going to be the worst mistake of your life, dog-eater.

We'll see about that, *****. If your "husband" isn't just another fictional character in that sorry sitcom you call life, I hope his insurance is all paid up.
OP WritersBeware  
Sep 20, 2007 | #119
You are such a moron that I can hardly keep a straight face when reading your babbling nonsense.

nouns can be used as adjectives

Wow. You're doing a stellar job of proving all of my points.

No, criminal ignoramus, a noun may NOT be used as an adjective. When one attempts to use what one believes is a noun to serve an adjective's purpose, the sentence is either grammatically incorrect, or the so-called "noun" is actually an adjective, making the sentence grammatically correct. Sorry, but a noun may never modify another noun.

A noun is a noun. An adjective is an adjective. A noun is NEVER an adjective.

Do us all a favor--take a remedial English course. I'm sure that you can find a school that offers dog meat in the cafeteria.
joey009  - | 32  
Sep 20, 2007 | #120
Obviously, you'll keep on defending your screwed up word-sense until the very end just to keep people from seeing that you make mistakes too. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to ask the other people in this forum regarding the following sentences:

1.)

You can't find a single grammar mistake in my posts so you resort to this kind of ****?

2.)

You have ballerina feet.

Are any of the sentences above grammatically incorrect?

Now back to you, *****. What is your opinion about all the competent, hardworking Filipino writers who happen to work for companies that you consider illegitimate.? Are you saying that there aren't any competent, hardworking Filipino writers working for companies that you consider illegitimate?




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