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Are Expert UK essay and Academic Content Writers a scam?


git345  3 | 1  
Jul 24, 2009 | #1
Hi,
Are Expert UK Essay and Academic Content Writers a scam? Do they hire good people? Do they deliver quality work and on time? Lastly, does anyone know whey their are truly managed from?
cocklejoe  3 | 115  
Jul 25, 2009 | #2
Not scams just bad quality work. theres a difference.
deboucha  - | 1  
Jul 26, 2009 | #3
Whatever you do under no circumstances do you use Academic Content Writers I ordered a 8 page paper from them and one day after the deadline they finally contacted me to tell me that the writer had an emergency and that they were trying to find another writer to take the project. They are unprofessional and deceitful. Do not use them
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Jul 27, 2009 | #4
You're an idiot. There's nothing a company can do if no writer is available to take your order. "Deceit" would be keeping your money without sending an essay or sending you some old crap for the price of a new essay. If no writer takes your essay, you get a 100% refund on your next credit card billing cycle; that's honest not "deceitful." Would it be better if the system had a way to let you know that no writer took your paper before the due date? Sure. But how are they supposed to know in advance that nobody will take it before it's due? Sometimes, papers get picked up on the very last day and get done on time.
akuma  3 | 51  
Jul 28, 2009 | #5
i've used Academic Content Writers a number of times and got on the whole pretty templates for essays albeit a few hiccups.
mavi  - | 3  
Aug 09, 2009 | #6
hi akuma,
can you message me privately?
i just need to ask something. thanks.
humble  2 | 247  
Aug 09, 2009 | #7
Sometimes, papers get picked up on the very last day and get done on time.

May be the company you work for needs a better system.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Aug 09, 2009 | #8
"May be" idiots just need to learn the definition of deceit and not throw that word around where it clearly doesn't apply and is a completely ridiculous and unfair characterization.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Aug 09, 2009 | #9
Can Academic Writers clients view in real time if their project has been assigned yet? I mean, if I ordered an essay from them and gave them a 5-day deadline, is there a way for me to know by the 3rd day if someone is working on the project already without me needing to contact Academic Writers admin to find out?
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Aug 09, 2009 | #10
I believe that Academic Writers customers do get a notice when their paper is actually taken by a writer; in fact, they provide their credit card info when they order but I don't think it even gets charged until someone actually takes the order off the board.

The problem is that there's no way for any essay company to know (let alone notify the customer) whether and/or when an essay will get taken by a writer when it's on the writer board.

First-time customers may not realize that but repeat customers know that they have a link to contact their writer once a paper is taken so they should know that the paper hasn't been taken yet if there's no "contact your writer" type of link on their account.

To be safe, customers of any commercial essay company should add a request to the order for the writer to confirm taking the paper through the message system as soon as the writer takes the paper. It's up to the individual writer to follow through, but I always have because I understand the concern.
humble  2 | 247  
Aug 10, 2009 | #11
The problem is that there's no way for any essay company to know whether and/or when an essay will get taken by a writer when it's on the writer board.

Could be true for Content Writers, it is simply naive to generalize it for all companies. The better system you implement the more costly it becomes. So it is not impossible it is just that your company may not be willing to cut off its profit margin.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Aug 10, 2009 | #12
Really? I wasn't aware that it's possible to create software capable of predicting the future. Plenty of times orders don't get taken until shortly before they're due. What kind of "notice" would you suggest when a paper is on the board that could get taken anytime before it's due? And it's not "my" company; it's one of half a dozen sites for which I write.
humble  2 | 247  
Aug 10, 2009 | #13
The better system you implement the more costly it becomes.

"System" includes software+hardware+humans.

It is possible to do whatever I said. It is not predicting future it is management.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Aug 10, 2009 | #14
I get what you mean that it's impossible for a company to predict when an order would be taken by a writer, especially in a system where the orders are just all displayed for all the writers to pick from. I think what humble means is that you can always upgrade your system so that clients would know whether or not you can get the job done way before the time when it's already nearly impossible for them to find another service. Essaywriters.net employs some personnel who send us messages or give us phone calls to tell us about large orders that are still days near the deadline. They probably don't contact all their writers though. This problem that we're discussing isn't present in essaybay's system. I'm not advertising or anything (with my current workload, I don't need to >.<). I'm just stating facts about the topic at hand.
FreelanceWriter  6 | 3089   ☆☆☆   Freelance Writer
Aug 10, 2009 | #15
Same with Academic Content Writers. We get e-mails letting us know that there are orders that need to be taken and many times, they actually amend orders that seem very difficult or unwanted to increase the payout to writers, which comes directly off the company's end (not the customer's). I've also received private e-mails and even IMs from admin asking whether I could possibly do a particular paper.

If it were just a matter of willingness to "cut off its profit margin" as he suggests, it would be a lot cheaper to update the system than to pay out extra for hundreds of papers. The only thing that's impossible is knowing in advance whether someone will still take a paper hours before it's due. That's not a software issue; that's predicting the future.

I suggest (again) that customers of any site simply add a request for the writer to confirm taking the order in the body of their order.
Lewis  3 | 3  
Aug 10, 2009 | #16
whether and/or when an essay will get taken by a writer when it's on the writer board.

I know at least one company that has no problem with that (and I'm going to implement a similar system). Orders should be managed and assigned by humans, not machines, because it is impossible to predict the future (indeed). One or two smart people can do much more with better results than the smartest computer system out there - and it's true especially for projects that have different due dates, criteria, etc. Not to mention when a project needs to be reassigned to another writer for whatever reason.

If a student orders a 50-page dissertation to be completed within 2 days and he can actually pay for that order at the time of filling out the form then it's hard to blame the system or computers that the project was canceled (and the student finds out it was canceled several days after it was canceled).
WritersBeware  
Aug 10, 2009 | #17
I know at least one company that has no problem with that (and I'm going to implement a similar system).

FrelanceWriter is 100% correct. Certain companies can implement whatever "prediction" features they wish in order to lull customers into a false sense of security, but a simple fact remains: neither man nor machine can predict the future actions of potential writers.

Lewis, what you suggest may be feasible for a new, small company with very few orders, but it will not work with a large company that processes possibly 200 orders per day when it's busy.
humble  2 | 247  
Aug 10, 2009 | #18
That's not a software issue; that's predicting the future.

Certain companies can implement whatever "prediction" features they wish in order to lull customers into a false sense of security.

You both are 100% unaware of what is happening in the industry.
It is not predicting the future it is MANAGEMENT. Yea the software could help. It takes 10-60 minutes to determine whether an order is doable or not.

As I said before it is costly but then it is good for the customers.

I'll give you guys some free management lessons later.
WritersBeware  
Aug 10, 2009 | #19
It takes 10-60 minutes to determine whether an order is doable or not.

Sorry, but a company administrator(s) has neither the time ("10 to 60 minutes" per order) nor-in all likelihood-the necessary writing skills to be able to determine what any one of dozens, or even hundreds, of freelance writers considers feasible regarding the specifications of each one of possibly hundreds of different orders that a company receives each day.

I'll give you guys some free management lessons later.

Humble, seriously, shut up. You're completely out of your league.
mre  1 | 169  
Aug 10, 2009 | #20
You're completely out of your league.

Censor WriterYou really are a piece of work...trying to censor people? What are you so afraid of? This is a stupid message board and you seem to have taken control of it and you also seem to be rabid in your defense of Academic Writers. That is fine, but do not ignorantly try and make us believe you have no affiliation with them.

"You cannot make recommendations!!"---Yeah...you do it all the time by saying Academic Writers is not a fraud (I know you are just defending them, but it is still a recommendation)

Imagine some customer visiting this forum wondering which company is a fraud and they see your statement that ET is not a fraud. That is a recommendation WB.

I MUST REMIND YOU THAT RECOMMENDATIONS ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. MOD WILL YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SCUM WB WHO KEEPS RECOMMENDING HER/HIS CRAPPY COMPANY?

See how stupid that sounds? Time to get off of you high-horse. Everybody knows what you are, and those that do not state it are either merely scared that you actually own this forum and will retaliate...or do not care. So I believe it is time for you to seriously shut up because you have blown your cover. You are a deceptive fraud working for a company, which makes that company deceptive as well. You are only as good as the people that work for you...and you are damaging Academic Writers's reputation just fine. I am sure they are proud of you...
WritersBeware  
Aug 10, 2009 | #21
I have, on multiple occasions, typed the exact same message in response to people who posted praise about-or sought recommendations for-Academic Content Writers. Thank you once again for proving that you are a lying, clueless doosh.

I am still waiting for you to point-out any "false" claims that I have ever made regarding ANY company.

I'm also still waiting for you to quote where I admitted to working for Academic Writers (which you have openly asserted is the reason why you keep attacking me). Hurry up, liar.

By the way, what's your name and in which state did you pass the Bar? As a respectable Officer of the Court, you should have no problem divulging this information.
humble  2 | 247  
Aug 10, 2009 | #22
Sorry, but a company administrator(s) has neither the time ("10 to 60 minutes" per order) nor-in all likelihood-the necessary writing skills to be able to determine....

1- You do not work for any essay writing company nor are you associated with any such company in any way, you are common person investigating scams. So you really are not in a position to argue here :)

Humble, seriously, shut up. You're completely out of your league.

5. All posters agree to be respectful to each other. EssayScam.org has the right to ban posters who do not abide legal or social norms and regulations.

Back to the original question. See, you have no idea how an essay writing business is run and how many alternative systems are there. What you and freelance are talking about is one cheap system where freelance writers are hired in bulk and all the orders are presented to the freelancers to pick. The leftovers are refunded after the deadline.

THIS IS NOT THE ONLY WAY AN ESSAY WRITING COMPANY IS RUN.
WritersBeware  
Aug 11, 2009 | #23
HUMBLE:

FreelanceWriter works for many different companies in the essay industry, so his first-hand knowledge and experience are not in question. I have investigated every major company in the industry, so I think that my knowledge and experience are also fairly solid.

You disagree with us. Fine. Are you actually claiming that any company administrator(s) DOES have both the time ("10 to 60 minutes" per order) and the necessary writing skills to be able to determine what any one of dozens, or even hundreds, of freelance writers considers feasible regarding the specifications of each one of possibly hundreds of different orders that a company receives each day? Also, which company that receives at least 20 orders per day uses such a manual system? (If you can't give concrete examples to prove that your "magical management" system exists, don't waste people's time just for the sake of disagreeing with FreelanceWriter and me.)
humble  2 | 247  
Aug 11, 2009 | #24
He is a freelancer, not in the management.

even hundreds, of freelance writers considers feasible regarding the specifications of each one of possibly hundreds of different orders that a company receives each day?

See it is not the JOB of the COMPANY ADMINISTRATOR to sort orders and assign. This may only be the case if the owner of the company does not want to invest in systems that need people, software and machines. Even if a company receives an average of 5 orders a day there is a need for an information system software to make things easier. The point is you are consistently giving examples from the same management model I mentioned in the previous post.

Companies hire staff writers, make small teams, manage workload of their writers and when they have the right systems in place they can tell in a very short time:

1- Whether the order is doable (i.e we have an expert who handles such orders and the order details are not asking for too much)

2- Whether the relevant person will do it or not which he would tell instantly depending on the workload.
WritersBeware  
Aug 11, 2009 | #25
2- Whether the relevant person will do it or not which he would tell instantly depending on the workload.

Wrong. Freelance writers work for many different companies. The owners of one company have absolutely no idea how much work is on a particular writer's plate at any given time.

Again, each and every one of your magical management suggestions is remotely feasible only for new and/or small companies that receive a very small number of orders per day, and only if those companies force each freelancer to sign a legally-binding contract dictating that his/her freelance employment with the company is contingent upon the freelancer not simultaneously working for any other company. (Translation: your magical system doesn't exist.)
humble  2 | 247  
Aug 11, 2009 | #26
Wrong. Freelance writers work for many different companies.

Companies hire staff writers

Why cant you understand the difference?
Why are you stuck at the freelance model?

Can Chevron allow its employees to also work for Shell?

(Translation: You do not work for any essay writing company, you do not have any experience as freelance writer of in the management, you are stuck at:)
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Aug 11, 2009 | #27
See how stupid that sounds? Time to get off of you high-horse.

Precisely why I believe she's been suspended time and time again these past several months. Every time she gets her a@#rse nailed, she disappears to let the issue blow over, and then she comes back and tries to act like nothing ever happened. Her latest comeback is really hilarious. First she claimed that the only reason she got back was that somebody "tipped" her about the CNN people coming here. Now, she's trying to get some "gloves are off" story going on for her. It's ridiculously pathetic. IMO, she's actually become a liability for Academic Writers. Heck, Freelancer is doing a better job boosting the company's reputation and he's doing it for free (I think)!
WritersBeware  
Aug 11, 2009 | #28
Absurd, baseless claims like this are exactly why you are an utterly incompetent and irresponsible writer who can't get work from legitimate companies in the US. Only criminals want other criminals on staff. Loser.
cocklejoe  3 | 115  
Aug 11, 2009 | #29
I sometimes wonder what kind of machine WritersBeware is hooked up to...
WritersBeware  
Aug 11, 2009 | #30
Joe, what's your deal, exactly? If you have a problem with me, why don't you directly confront me about it instead of popping in and out of threads with your little jabs? No worries-I already proved that you are here strictly to cause fights.
cocklejoe  3 | 115  
Aug 11, 2009 | #31
Yes, you did prove that.

In your head.

Fortunately I don't live in your head, so your powers are useless here!
WritersBeware  
Aug 11, 2009 | #32
Yes, you did prove that.

Actually, I most certainly did prove that you are a liar, and I posted the proof. I invite anyone who actually cares to review the link that I posted to see that you signed-up just to start fights.

If you have something substantive and potentially valuable to contribute to this forum, by all means, do it.
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Aug 11, 2009 | #33
Absurd, baseless claims like this are exactly why you are an utterly incompetent and irresponsible writer.

They're not baseless. ^_^ Anybody who wants to check can see that every time you get your arse kicked in a fight (which has become more often in the past several months with your blunders using the Boston case and the Chronicle article), you disappear. Hey, why don't you respond to this:

Her latest comeback is really hilarious.

WritersBeware  
Aug 11, 2009 | #34
your blunders using the Boston case and the Chronicle article

What? You're a delusional psychopath. I will be more than happy to destroy you in those arguments again. In fact, why don't you quote the threads, coward? Let's review them both, shall we?
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Aug 11, 2009 | #35
I have a better idea, let everyone else here review the said threads and comment. ^_^
WritersBeware  
Aug 11, 2009 | #36
That's what I thought, coward. All you do is type trash and claim non-existent victories. You're too much of a spineless b*stard to confront me directly on the issues. Excuses, excuses, excuses . . . .
EW_writer  21 | 1981 ☆☆☆  
Aug 11, 2009 | #37
Anyone else believe that this:

I have a better idea, let everyone else here review the said threads and comment. ^_^

Is an excuse? :D
WritersBeware  
Aug 11, 2009 | #38
"The gloves are off" is a common expression, moron. It communicates that I am no longer going to exercise any restraint when attacked by lying b*stards like you. As I plainly stated, anyone who posts lies about me can expect harsh retaliation, so don't cry about my "mean" responses afterwards. I do not go after anyone who does not post lies or attack me first. It's a pretty simple understanding.
humble  2 | 247  
Aug 12, 2009 | #39
cocklejoe

There is some problem with your email address. I did receive your email but when I reply it says delivery failed.
I am sending you a pm again.
cocklejoe  3 | 115  
Aug 12, 2009 | #40
ARGH! No idea what the problem was. Probably shouldn't put this on an open forum, but what the hell: @gmail.

It will definitely get there :) (if you can be bothered to send it for a third time...)




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