What does it mean to be an "American" company to customers?

I need short answers to these points (YES or NO) and explanation if possible:

1. If a company is based in Ukraine but also hires American writers - is it an American company?

2. If a company is based in Ukraine but owners live in the US - is it an American company?

3. If a company is registerd in the US and has legal US address - is it an American company?

4. If a company is based and registered in the US but hires one or more foreign writers - is it an American company?

5. If a company has no business address available to the public but advertises as an American company, is it an American company?

6. If a company is based and registered in the US, but owners nationality is Ukrainian, is it an American company?

Thank you.

Sorry, but your little "survey" is inherently invalid because, as you do on your ripoff sites, you intentionally leave out critical details that would allow participants to make an informed decision.

For the millionth time, the conflict at hand concerns truthful advertising and actual employment of only native English-speaking writers, NOT Americanism.

Err, I have nothing to do with ripoffreport which could be useful to find the real fraudulent essay businesses.


That's why my questions. If a company hires 100 writers and 99 are native English speaking writers and 1 is not a native English speaking writer - is the company allowed to advertise that they are American company and hire American writers or not?

You can hire Martians if you like, but if your company is incorporated in India (for example) then it's still an Indian company, albeit with a disproportionate number of Martian employees.

That is useful.

So the thing that determines if the company is American or not is where the company is incorporated, correct? That way an American company can have a total of 100 writers but 99 of them could be non-English speakers but since its incorporated in the US it has the right to advertise as an American company?

I think some people call themselves a "company" in order to appear professional, when in fact they're just chancers, or a group of chancers, out to make a quick buck.

The law is quite clear. If you're a company, you have to register as a company.

I live in the UK. If I started a company that only used American writers, I would still be a British company, because I would be registered at Companies House.

If I incorporated my company in the US, it would be a US company, even if I lived in Timbuktu.

It's really very simple, and there are no grey areas.

Fair enough. But then such company owners like WritersBeware who has been proven to post under numerous names on numerous forums could hire 100 non-English writers, pay them low wages and still claim that his company is "American"? Where is the justice here? In other words - just because the company is a US company gives them the right to legally lie and post misleading ads?

Undertow2, I'm sure that you recognize the fraudster's endgame. He is trying to manipulate you into justifying and legitimizing his company's lies.


Lie.


Lie.


Lie.

Am I surprised be these continued lies? No.

If the company is based in America, and is subject to American laws (i.e. civil retribution and criminal charges/punishments through American courts), it is an American company, regardless of who it hires.

In the very specific scenario you describe (99 out of 100 writers in a company are American or "native English speakers"), I think advertising the native status of the company's writers would be fair. By the time 10 or more out of 100 are not native speakers, I think you have a problem. Yes, this number is somewhat arbitrary, but these are my thoughts/feelings on the issue. In addition, the non-native writers would have to match the native writers in skill for the claim to remain valid.

None of this actually matters, however, because the companies you work for and have specifically mentioned elsewhere in the forum do not meet the criteria you laid out. They are not subject to American jurisdiction (court rulings against them may exist, but they cannot easily be enforced), and the vast majority of their writers (far more tan 10%) are not native English speakers--and neither are the owners, or the administrative/customer service staff.

If stu4 (or someone else) quotes a part of this post as proof for some of their statements, could someone please quote and post this entire thing as a response? I'm getting tired of seeing my words deliberately misused out of context.

Which makes it much safer to order from them.

*Chomps on a Keebler soft batch cookie* Writing break. I just completed two resumes and already both clients have received their respective orders and sent me positive feedback (which means *sigh* an additional $1 for me per order >.<) I hope I quoted enough of the text off your post as you requested, pheelyks. I'm gonna work on my essaybay projects now. Catch you guys later. :)

Pheelyks, you will soon discover that the frauds in this forum, most notably stu4 and EW_writer, like to re-hash losing arguments that have already been crushed.

It is true, in a very limited number of instances (one, actually, is all that I or apparently you are aware of), a student has been charged for plagiarism for buying an essay written by an American company. The number of instances where customers have received poor quality papers and no chance at a refund from fraudulent companies. however, is easily in the thousands.


Well, you didn't take my statement out of context entirely, no. The issue you raised, however, is statistically irrelevant in the real world (as detailed above) and entirely irrelevant to the subject of this thread. Therefore, while not using my words out of context to prove your own opposing point, you have still shown yourself unable to refute the actual claims I was making, and have ignored the true substance of my argument.

Does he fact that you picked on a very small and arcane detail rather than refute my argument with your own logical assertions mean anything more than the obvious?


Though new(er) to this forum, I am not naive. While I appreciate the support, I am more than capable of countering frauds and other manipulators of logic in my own style.

Right.. as if standard auditing practices anywhere in the world allows businesses to get rid of such financial information as credit card #s and paypal accounts immediately. :D The fact is, if American companies are mandated to reveal who orders from them by a court of law as what occurred in the case presented, they would most certainly give up at least some of their clients. Several states in the U.S. prohibit the submission of purchased papers for credit and unlike foreign companies, American companies actually have to comply with those laws.

Game, set, and match. :p

Ummm...why do you keep referring to the on single instance of this actually happening then? Where are the other cases that US law mandates?

I didn't suggest that you change anything about your style. I simply showed you a link to a post that already disproves EW_writer's bogus claim about "safety."


Case in point: EW_writer just loves to repeat his already-defeated arguments in new threads:


SOURCE: essayscam.org/forum/es/bestessays-superiorpapers-essaywriters-investigated-1092/#msg16066

From which companies? >.< I concede that there are thousands of crappy foreign sites but the ones I work for are not among them. Plus, this problem can easily be solved by the golden formula of trying out a company with a small project first (like a 1-page paper), finding a writer you are comfortable with and sticking with that writer all throughout.


Are you talking about the argument on how many American writers a company should have before they can call themselves American? Hey.. you can have that one, dude. ^_^ I took the quote from you to set fire to WB's pants, I wasn't really engaging you in anything. :P

By the way, a major media outlet in academia recently outed the fraud of EW_writer's "quality" employer (following a months-long, "undercover" investigation):

chronicle.com/free/v55/i28/28a00102.htm

Hey, if WB found one of them I'm sure she can find more. I'm not getting paid to do that crap, she is. :D I just feed off the evidences she provides and get her in trouble with her employers using those very evidences. Why do you think she's always in menopausal period mode? :)

*Chomps on another Keebler* Gotta get back to work... I still have a 4-page paper on the "political implications of Obama's victory" for a direct client that i need to finish in an hour if I want to catch the robots in disguise on the big screen. :) Ta-ta.

Ask EW_writer to name the foreign sites for which he works and then Google the domains to read literally hundreds, if not thousands, of different people's horrible experiences involving lack of quality, refund refusal, invalid fines, fabricated "customer complaints," missing payments, etc.


LOL. I'd never take money to pummel a criminal. I consider it personal enrichment.

You never pummeled anyone.. amused, maybe but pummeled? Nah.... :)

Is there a formally-recognized psychosis through which a patient has the physiological need to constantly let others know the projects on which he/she is working?


Obviously, a Decepticon is among us: EW_writicron. Together with stupid4, they combine to form "Scamitor."

You're still avoiding the issue.

Why we need american companies in the first place? Are Americans not cheaters? Biggest frauds in this world have been committed by them...

Just a wild guess here ... maybe British and American companies are needed because the writing is in THEIR language and primarily for students in THEIR universities?

To answer the original question: a company is American if it falls under US jurisdiction and pays US taxes. Mere incorporation in the US (usually in Delaware) does not make a company American, just as e-incorporation in the UK does not make a company British.

Being American or British does not necessarily make a company legitimate nor does it mean that the services they offer are, by definition, of superior quality. It does mean, however, that we are really on the receiving end of the stick if

1) we do not deliver on our guarantees
2) have formal customer complaints lodged against us
3) do not pay freelancers or, otherwise, mistreat employees
4) the product delivered is at odds with the quality advertised
5) we try to engage customers and employees in contracts which do not adhere to the prescribed ones for service delivery or part/full-time employment
6) attempt to blackmail/threaten writers/customers
7) do not pay our taxes

It basically means that we are under much stricter restrictions.

True.. agreed... but that means they will not cheat their customers and writers? I have read few comments here about Academic Answers- a UK based company managing many sites and these comments were no way positive so wheres the difference? What contribution does these companies make? Lastly they are too expensive and it is very basic principle of economics that when your product is too expensive, subsititues have to follow naturally to fill that gap...


Others are too... UK and US has a history of committing frauds under legal cover i.e. legal frauds. Most of the countries have very strict cyber laws and authorities implement them forcefully. Everyone is at the receiving end so this is nothing more than a self assumed illusion that UK or US companies are more law abiding than others... Firstly, hardly company is a public limited in nature and you would appreciate the fact that more stricter laws in UK and US are for public limited companies therefore these regulations are already not applied to essay writing services.

If you read the terms of contract of many UK and US companies they clearly mention that they do not sell papers and neither they employ any freelancers therefore under legal cover they do not hold any responsibility and technically they are not all responsible for anything.

It is entirely wrong to assume that otherss do not follow law and they are more civilized than UK and US

I have no vested interest whatsoever in defending Academic Answers at all. Objectivity is important, however. Academic Answers happens to be one of the leading companies in this line of work in the UK. They service countless clients and have a rather significant freelancer-base. Their annual profit figures are constantly on the rise. Now, when a handful of writers/customers make a complaint (and they generally target essaybay here), that does not mean that the company is a sham or that it delivers poor quality. The fact that their profits are constantly growing further indicates that they are becoming more popular (despite their prices) and not less so.

So ... I wouldn't really use AA as an example of a `poor' British company because it simply isn't. I am sure that there are British companies which are absolutely horrid but AA isn't one of them.

Two wrongs does not make one right.. even if there are handful of writers/customers complaining against AA that means AA have cheated them... having few numbers of complains does not mean the intensity of your crime is low too.. a murder is always a murder and one gets same punishment for either murdering one person or 100s..


This is because they cheat their writers and do not pay them or fine them without any proofs..... It is on the record that they attempt to cheat writers outside UK because they know foreign writers can not try them legally in UK i.e. no one will simply imagine to take them to the court for few hundred pounds... this is simple and very plain method of cheating....

One of the most common methods to cheat writers is to simply inform them that order has been refunded and when you ask them to provide the proof of refund they would simply reply that this will violate the privacy of their buyers.... So would you consider this as fairness?

Doesn't makes sense ... irrespective of the industry (in this case service industry) we have to adhere to legislation governing consumer rights, fair trade and the sale and delivery of goods and services. The essay writing industry is not a no-man's land which operates according to whatever rules it decides, irrespective of country of jurisdiction. Pls read up on consumer rights and all that ... then you will know that what you said just isn't true.


Agreed - India has very strict cyber-laws and there is no getting around them. But let me ask you a question in good faith - is Essaybrunch a registered company? If it is, why isn't the registration number displayed? The issue is not of one country versus the other but the legitimacy of individual companies. Nationality does not bestow legitimacy.


As do all countries ...


Essaybay operates under different rules than do the rest of AA's companies. The others do not outsource their work, they do not hire ESL writers ....

And, if you have proof that UKessays, etc is a scam, pls publish that proof. Unsupported accusations hardly earn you the respect of others.

Again, I really do not care about AA but I really do not see the sense in trying to trash a legitimate company. Do you honestly want to even begin to compare them with something like buydissertations???!!!! Or, as much as I find Essaybay horrid ... essaybay with essaybunch? let's get real here, pls

Whats the difference then????


I am in no way associated with Essaybrunch but let me clear few of your concepts here.. Why we are assuming that essay writing services should be registered companies? Entrepreneurships are mostly run as sole propritership concerns and such form of business is under no obligation to register themselves except with the tax authorities? as per law only companies and partnerships are required to register themselves with authorites..


They do... Academicknowledge.com- their flagship company- hire writers from outside UK


Even if they cheat?? thats what i call legal fraud.. keep cheating people because you are a legitimate company.... do you mean being a legit company gives you a license to cheat?

I am beginning to understand that engaging in a discussion with you is a waste of time since you refuse to address the issues raised. To repeat: if you have evidence which establishes that AA is dishonest, pls state it. The evidence should be verifiable and should be able to stand in a court of law. If you have that evidence ... post it (actually I will be very happy). If you do not, then you are engaging in slander.

You say they are cheats and you say they are dishonest ... what is your proof?

Another thing - if they are so terrible, why did you copy
1) their layout
2) their terms and conditions

You do know that this constitutes IP theft, don't you?

Now - I will not respond to any posts involving your accusations against AA because that is their business not mine ...

I have been roundly defeated by Chacha's flawless logic and superior intelligence.


How do I go about UNregistering my company? I would love to do that ... the joy of not having to adhere to Fair Employment legislation, consumer rights and best of all ... getting to ignore the strictures imposed upon us by the terms governing the sale of goods and services. I'd love to pay my writers peanuts (of course, I'll need to hire monkeys) and stomp all over my clients - only after they pay me, of course.

Yes! How could one have ever failed to appreciate the joys of trampling all over the law!


PRECISELY!!!!!!

Unless they have their own servers (which is not the case in 99.9%) it only takes a backup drive from a hosting company (they do backups daily) to get that information. You lose.

You think whatever you or your friends post here is provable in court of law? Whatever you guyes present here is nothing more than piece of shi.....


You are certainly protecting their interest here..... a clear proof of your association and commercial interests to malign competition


You are probably the dumbest person i ever knew..... Your masters are wasting their money on you for protecting their commercial interests... You even do not know what is the meaning of a company and how many legal forms a business can take.... You even do not know that all the legislations that you have mentioned are equally applicable to a company as well as to a sole proprietership.......

Please take few training sessions in business law like our essaybay friends who time and again give a pathetic arguement that their staff need training in how to respond to a simple phone call.......

Stu4 - Why do I get the impression that you are with A-R? Are you? Honest qs


Does a PhD in international business law satisfy you?


That is hilarious !!!!!


They are my competitors and I am not `maligning them' as you so correctly point out


Actually, I am my own master :) And while (despite being a legit Brit co) I openly employ ESL writers whose English is flawless and whose academic qualifications are above reproach, I would not allow any like you within a mile of us ... The ESL writers we employ write in a way which is linguistically , academicallyand culturally indistinguishable from a native ...

And pls - seek professional help for your oppressor-oppressed/master-slave obsession.

Given your ability to argue and provide dumbest arguements, i can safely assume that your education is not more than undergraduation

Why do you go on and on and on.......aimlessly. I hate to interfere but do you realise the harm that you have done to your esteem in this entire process of baseless and useless arguements?

Don't you think its time to stop and move on now?

Dude... just can it. You wanna promote essaybrunch? Well.. what you've done here isn't really doing that. Frankly, I think your essaybrunch is sort of a reset button for all the washed up writers in essaybay who don't win projects anymore because of the numerous negative feedback that they've received. I do however, sincerely wish you the best of luck.

Goodnight folks.

Essaybrunch is not mine


I am not here to promote any website... I do not have any commercial interests in any site.. I am a freelancer just every other person here. What i have realized here is a fact that this forum is a systematic effort to malign and accuse companies which directly compete with the custom essay writing services owned and operated by few individuals here who try to dominate this forum also. I want to expose those who are hiding behind the curtain of essayscam.org and accuse others for being cheats and frauds.. and assuming that they will not be exposed.....

I couldn't bring myself to read further, due to the cringe running up and down my spine.


Moderator, if OR or I quote its previous statements in which it claims, at different times, to be a writer and promoter of EssayBrunch, will you finally ban it? Do we have a deal? :)

chacha421, your posts survive just like anyone else's. This forum is full of accusations against every company, regardless of where it is based or who it employs. It is true that those defending certain American- and UK-based often appear to have the upper hand, but from my own experience that's because these companies deliver a better product and are more straightforward in their dealings with customers and writers. That is, the truth seems to be on the side of those who defend these companies and denigrate others.

There are, of course, exceptions to this rule--I am sure there is a foreign company out there that presents itself legitimately and delivers exactly what it says it will the majority of the time. Once I discover that company's name, I will post it here (and apply as a writer!). Other less than reputable companies also have the occasional good writer working for them, but this does not make the company a wise choice for the average consumer OR writer.

On that note (and EW, even you will have to side with me on this one), your grammar and general use of the English language is abysmal. I do not mean to be insulting; you are without question more adept at using your native language than I am, and mastering English (I have been told) is especially difficult for non-native speakers. However, the form of your posts does more to hurt your cause than the content ever could. You are the reason others on this forum are so frustrated and upset by foreign companies, who hire writers (like yourself) who have no business completing any academic work in the English language.

OR, why were you physically under the stage when others were graduating? That's weird.


As I have stated repeatedly, I have investigated all major companies in the industry. If I find fraud, I report it. If no fraud surfaces, I report nothing (as this forum is about exposing fraud, not promoting legitimacy). That stated, I will do this one time, and one time only, strictly to prove crooks' accusation false that I only attack "foreign" companies. In the course of my investigations, I came across a foreign company that I found to engage in no form of deception or false advertising: papers4you. If I recall correctly, they are based in Greece or Cyprus, but don't hold me to it.

Once and for all: if you own a site and operate it honestly, you have nothing to fear from me or other investigators. If, however, you engage in any form of fraud, rest assured that-for the sake of consumer and freelance writer protection-your site will be exposed, whether or not it is physically based outside of the US, UK, or CA.

To the owners of sites that have already been exposed for engaging in fraud, if you're not willing to correct the fraud and operate legitimately, you will continue to take the beating that you deserve. Stop whining about it.