Proof that some cases may lead American companies to give up some of their clients

Courtesy of WritersBeware:

eschoolnews.com/news/top-news/index.cfm?i=31843&CFID=8419205&CFTO KEN=27456135

As you can read from the article, the American company that was sued by BU had to relinquish records of 7 students who bought from them, one of which was actually caught with cheating. I guess we don't really have to guess what happened to that poor student. The article also contained a comment from the paper company's lawyer saying that such cases "come up every few years" which means that the 1999 example won't be the only time when American companies would have to risk the academic life of its buyers.

Thus, buyers should think twice before buying from American essaywriting agencies if they intend to submit the work that they purchase for academic credit. The article proves that doing so DOES expose them to the great risks since American companies will give them up when questioned legally.

Many thanks to WB for supplying the evidence for this post.

MORON ALERT!




The lawsuit was filed on or around October 20, 1997. Please, I implore you to educate yourself.

You must love punishment and embarrassment, as you just keep coming back for more. Really-you didn't think that I would be FULLY PREPARED for you to make that desperate attempt to defame your legitimate competition? Give me a break. Let the simple yet definitive *ss-kicking begin . . . .

Since that lawsuit in 1997, every American company that I have studied disposes of customers' order information after a short period. Their main goal is to protect customers' privacy. Therefore, even if served with a subpoena, the owners of the American sites won't be able turn over what they do not possess.

You lose.

Many thanks to EW_writer for starting another thread on HIS terms and ignorantly setting himself up, as I planned, for a trampling. LMAO!

and concluded.. when? But hey, let's give you that, shall we? Allow me to change my statement to:


No more straw man? Great. Now about this statement:


How short? Nobody knows when a lawsuit would clamp down on a company and their records would suddenly be recalled. The students who were the companies' latest customers are then placed at greatest risk. Oh, but clients who order from what WB judges as legitimate websites such as ET have NOTHING to fear coz hey, they're all honest individuals who DO NOT submit purchased papers for credit.

Tsk tsk... your evidence goes a long way. I salute you! ^__^

You've got THAT part right . . . .

;)

This is stupid. The idea that a company can be sued, therefore they are untrustworthy, is so mind-bogglingly anti-logical it makes my eyes bleed.

Simple fact: If a company can be sued, that means they have registered corporate officers, an address, landlines, attorneys... They exist in some non-Internet way.

What if I'm a writer or customer and WANT to sue a foreign company? Cuts both ways, right?

Furthermore, essay writing is not illegal in the vast majority of jurisdictions, just not ethical to turn in for students. So who cares?

And that, is the reason why they got successfully sued. If they were an internet based company that hid its actual ownership information from the public, it would have been more difficult to trace the paperwork, much less sue the owners successfully. Let's not forget that there have been suits filed against companies with fictitious work locations, leading to unenforceable court decisions. The virtual company owners just keep moving their location and staying beyond the reach of the law. I bet that company stopped their physical existence after they lost that case.

There is an article from 2017, published by Huffpost that asks one to consider that hiring an academic writer to complete schoolwork should be seen as something similar to an executive hiring a ghostwriter to complete his heavy workload. It is not plagiarism, because the work is original, it is not stealing, because the work was paid for. Therefore, hiring an academic writing service is not something that should be seen as unethical. What was suggested that the professors should change their mindset, based on workload and the "failure is not an option" for students enrolled in prestige schools. I believe that universities may be catching on and have slowly provided allowances for such actions amongst their students. The professors cannot be bothered with authenticity checking during the pandemic times. They just need to get the job done and not fail the student during the semester. Universities have become more of an educational factory more than ever.

If anybody is interested, the article is over at: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tough-topics-are-essay-wr_b_9128910

You've said this quite a few times in several different threads and in different ways. On the basis of exactly what evidence do you think that any universities or professors are making even the slightest "allowance," whatsoever, when it comes to students submitting work that they paid someone to write for them?

Well, the proliferation of online and physical tutoring services for one thing. This aspect pertains to the gradeschool to high school education of the students. The teachers themselves advice that students get extra study help during the week to help them keep up with homework, research, projects, and allow for lesson clarification. Parents have hired tutors of either type to assist their children. Some teachers, even go so far as to make recommendations for tutors who can help the students. These tutors come in as study buddies but often, for an additional fee, will complete the work for the student as well.

Academic writing has become more advanced for some writers. Those who are now engaged as tutors / study buddies, also do the work for the students when asked to do so. The difference? While it is now more obvious that the student either did not write the work or, had help in developing it, the teachers find it more difficult to prove it. Mostly because the writer is now also tasked with preparing the student in terms of defending his paper should the need arise. Gone are the days, for these advanced academic service writers, of simply writing the paper and not asking questions about how the paper will be used. Since this is a one on one physical or virtual study buddy / writer system, practically an exclusive set up, they now have to add prep work just in case the student is questioned about hiring professional services. They not only write these days, they also have to teach as a part of the tutoring package. If the writer is good, the student will never get caught. Or, if suspected, the student will be able to academically get out of the jam because he was prepared for such instances.

For college students, the university writing center has become a home for on-campus academic writer hiring. The professors know this is happening. However, because the writing center is involved, they opt to not say anything about it. Due to some professors falling on hard times, some of them have also taken to writing academic papers for students. These are students who are not a part of their class roster and, as much as possible, are asking for writing help outside of the subject he teaches. These occurences normally happen for non-tenured professors and never, at IVY league universities.

I am not pointing any fingers at any specific university or professor. What I am saying is that because finances are tough for the educators, they have had to get creative as well and jump into a business they would normally turn their noses up at. They discuss these activities in hushed tones amongst themselves. They know who is in the business and why. They stay quiet because, they just might find themselves in need of the same work in the future. It is better for them to build their bridges rather than build a moat amongst their peers.

I handle projects at the highest end of what you'd consider "advanced" services; but I don't ask my clients how they intend to use my work, because it's none of my business. Once I've been paid for it, my clients own whatever I write for them and it's entirely their prerogative how they choose to use it.

More generally, I asked you what evidence you had for any of the statements in your previous post and you responded with nothing but three paragraphs of more totally unsubstantiated statements and conclusions. So, I'll ask you again: what EVIDENCE can you provide to substantiate any of the statements and conclusions that you posted in this thread? Please start with how you would know that professors (1) know that students are purchasing ghostwritten essays directly from their college writing centers, (2) that they "opt not to say anything," and (3) that professors who have fallen on hard times are actually writing papers for students at some schools. Please post a link to any source of any of this information anywhere. Thank you.

I do not need to provide any evidence to you when the proof is all over the web for those who choose to look for it. I am not going to do that for you. I am not your comeptition, which is what you are thinking and are trying to imply. You think I am lying? Then you prove it. Remember,. I respect your opinion and do not ask you to prove anything even as I find some things you claim to be questionable. That is why I told you we all have our own opinions and should respect one another's beliefs and opinions. You are obviously going through something that affects your business which is why you are so affected by the declarations that I am making. You do not want to face up to the truth but, you are willing to try and discredit someone, using that own person's words against them. You prove me wrong. I do not have to prove my claims. The clients are not asking for it. You are asking for proof because you have no idea how to keep up with the changing times. Students are far more demanding now than you are normally used to and nothing will change that. End of discussion. Leave me alone.

Taking your points out of order:


First, nobody is attacking you. I just have a very hard time believing that any professors are making "allowances" about ghostwritten essays or that college writing centers or professors are actually writing student essays for money. Second, this is a discussion on public forum in which you've chosen to participate. You don't get to decide, unilaterally, when any discussion ends, although you may choose to stop responding anytime you wish.


I'm sorry, but that's just not how adults defend their positions against challenges in intelligent conversations. I don't know that you're actually "lying" because you may very well believe everything that you posted. However, you made a couple of very far-fetched claims here that you posted as factual: namely, that students at some colleges are actually buying essays written for them by the staff of their college writing centers and even by some of their professors. All of that sounds highly improbable to me and I doubt that it's true. You shouldn't be offended or insulted or feel attacked because someone who is skeptical of these kinds of claims simply asks you to provide some evidence of where you got what you've posted as fact. If, as you say, "the proof is all over the web," then, it should be extremely easy for you to just post some of those links to this information. More generally, it's impossible for anybody to "prove" a negative, such as proving that there is no such evidence. I'm not the one making a factual claim; you are. I just don't accept your claim without some evidence, which you say is all over the web. So, why not simply direct me to some of this evidence?

Responding so angrily that someone asked you for some evidence of your claims isn't typically what people do when there actually is plenty of evidence to find; but it's exactly what people tend to do when they know that they just made something up for which they really have no objective evidence, whatsoever. Presumably, someone who isn't just making things up and posting them as facts would simply provide a link to any of those informational sources if they're really "all over the web" instead of lashing out so angrily at having been asked for some evidence of a factual claim or declaration.


Nothing that I posted has anything to do with my business or your business, much less about your business in relation to mine, or with how demanding my clients are. For the record, my clients are no more or less demanding now than they've ever been.


Again, I simply don't believe that any college writing centers, much less professors, are actually selling essays to students at their institutions; nor do I believe, that any professors are making "allowances" for their students to submit purchased essays for credit in their courses, which was your original claim for which I simply requested some evidence, in the first place. Since that evidence is "all over the web," why not simply tell us where you found it? Why refuse and get so angry about the fair question, instead?

So, let me just ask you again, politely and respectfully, to please provide whatever evidence you think there is that professors are making "allowances" for ghostwritten essays submitted by their students for academic credit and whatever evidence you think there is that college writing centers and professors are selling essays to students. Of course, you're free to hold any "opinion" or "belief" about those things on nothing but your own hunch or suspicion; but if that's the case, you should just say that and not say that there's plenty of evidence all over the web while refusing to provide it because it's my obligation to prove you wrong if I happen not to share those beliefs and ask you to back up your claims with some evidence. I'm perfectly open-minded and willing to check any evidence that you provide. Thank you.

According to you, professors know that some of their own colleagues employed by the same universities are actually writing papers for students in their own classes, and "they opt not to say anything about it"? Really? How could you possibly even be in any position to know about any of this?


Really? How could you possibly know anything about the financial situations of any professors, much less about what work they're doing on the side, especially work that they'd keep as secret as possible, given that a single discovered instance would immediately destroy their entire careers?


Really? How could you possibly know anything about what professors might be discussing privately among themselves or in what "tones"?

In light of your more recent diatribes about the evils of academic ghostwriting, I'm only much more curious, now, to hear how you know any of this and (especially) how you reconcile all of these prior statements of yours with what you've been posting here more recently.