I ordered a two page example paper from essaythinker.net (RAGIOGENIC ISOTOPES IN GEOLOGICAL AGES AND DATES)

Okay, I'll give you an answer, but I guarantee that you won't like it or find it acceptable:

I attacked you for stating the obvious. You are almost never wrong because you are nearly always stating the obvious. I think that the way you do this stinks to hell and back of dishonesty. I also attacked you because of your awful attitude. Your behavior is inexcusable.

I continue to attack you because you can scream about all the other obvious scams, ad infinitum, while turning a blind eye to what has recently transpired with respect to Major. Even without Major, you have failed to participate in any meaningful critique of the paid essays I have posted - this also stinks of dishonesty.

I continue to attack you because I find your argument style to be deceptive and slimey. You argument style is reminiscent of an ambulance chasing lawyer. Nobody likes that.

Let me guess, you're not satisfied with my honest answer?

Graphophobius is that annoying kid from 3rd grade--yeah, you remember the one--who snuck around pinching other kids and flicking their earlobes. Whenever someone would return the favor, he would run to the teacher and play the victim, tears streaming . . . the whole bit.

Why do you always go back to who said what at what time. Its always, "You did this First!" Did it ever occur to you that I found you offensive first? I found you to be offensive before I even created an account.

... influenced by Disney movies: youtu.be/L0MK7qz13bU

Say what you will, but you are still guilty by omission regarding the topic of this thread. Why do you focus on me when there is a real scam afoot? Hmmm, maybe it is because you are in on the scam?

By the way, I was the poor kid from the trailer park who got picked on by jerks who talked just like you write. Occasionally, I would turn around and break someone's nose. I would take on the big guys, jocks, and that sort and they would kick my ass, but I would hurt them bad enough that they would never mess with me again.

1. You use "almost" as if you have proof that even one substantive claim that I have ever made is false. I have challenged you numerous times to quote a single example . . . just ONE. You have failed miserably. You can't quote a single post in which I have made a verifiably incorrect assertion about a site/company/freelancer, so stop misrepresenting your "almost" propaganda as fact.

2. So, your main reason for attacking me first--without me having directed a single negative word to you--is that I "state the obvious"? Tell me--do I really need to take the time to compile a list of what I assume will probably be about 50 different threads that will easily prove you wrong? (The only reason why I am asking is because I want to give you some time to ponder exactly how I am going to MAKE you play the fool--yet again.)


So, your official position is that the chain of events is irrelevant? Think carefully before answering.

(PS: I love setting up self-absorbed JA-s who come here to "get the best of me.")

See. Nothing makes you happy. You are still complicit in this scam and still refuse to address the topic of this thread.


There is no "best of you" to get.

On the contrary, the chain of events are completely relevant. I told you that I found you offensive before you found me offensive.

1. Hey, Captain Clueless, why do you keep ignoring the fact that I am the person who started the ORIGINAL thread calling out fraudulent sites receiving ad space?

2. What, exactly, would you have me do? Would you have me make unfounded and/or unsubstantiated accusations against Major--a fairly respected, long-time member of this forum--without having any evidence at all? Sorry, but that's how YOU operate, not me.

3. You signed up here and almost immediately began attacking me. Now, you have the gall to complain that you are not getting any cooperation or backing from me? REALLY? I am not inclined to offer up my effort or free time in any endeavor that could in any way serve to HELP you. That is because you have been a bell-ringing J-As from Minute 1. You have lumped me together with other members. You have accused me of engaging in "scams" (of which you present zero evidence, of course), despite me having personally exposed and provided verifiable evidence against countless scams since 2007. You accuse me of looking the other way when I have been leading the way since 2007. Your unabashedly careless, irresponsible tactics sicken me.


You do realize that that statement literally makes no sense, right? Your failed attempt at an insult aside, I find it revealing that you don't understand that every person has his or her "best" attributes.

For the record, graphophobius, your opinion and heavily biased interpretation of Major's intentions do not constitute evidence. Apparently, that fact is not "obvious" to you.

Dear W2B,

1) I am not ignoring that. I'm just calling it insignificant.

2) I'd have you do nothing. Also, here's an example where you have made an incorrect statement (you asked): I do have evidence and presented a very strong and compelling case.

3) Here's another place where you have made a false statement. I never asked for your cooperation.

Look, let's just get to brass tacks. Its been fun and I've learned a lot. Thanks for the website critique. It truly was helpful. I also appreciate the insight that you and the others have provided. I'm on an accelerated track here and don't have time to search through all of the muddy water in this forum and elsewhere. In some strange way, I am truly indebted to you all.

So here's the deal: I do believe that the owners/moderators of EssayScam.org, W2B, and Major and a maybe a few others are second-rate scammers, thieves, con men, and what not. I believe this to be true and there is no amount of arguing with me that will change this. There is no reason for me to believe otherwise. Editor75 is guilty of being a hapless dolt, so he gets a pass.

You all can keep on arguing with me if you like. Maybe EssayScam will ban me at some point. I don't care. My plan has already been set in motion.

I know that you all think that I was sent here and all of that nonsense. The truth is that I am a lightening rod that nobody wants to touch. I have my plans and hidden agenda (you get 10% off a reach around from W2B if guess what that is). So keep it coming. You're just fueling my engine.


There's no good attributes to be found in some people. I'm looking at you!

More intellectual dishonesty from graphophobius . . . .

That is not the chain of events to which I refer. You know that perfectly well, but you have no integriy, so I will clarify for others. Following is the actual chain of events:

1. graphophobius signs up a week or two ago;
2. graphophobius is initially harmless (in fact, I pleasantly interacted with him a few times);
3. graphophobius suddenly starts making very broad, negative statements about the entire forum community, with special focus on certain "groups"; at this point, I stay quiet;

4. graphophobius starts to get more overt with his false accusations against certain members, including me;
5. I ask graphophobius to stop painting so many member with a broad brush;
6. instead of apologizing or presenting evidence to support his broad accusation and insults, he gets more brazen;
7. graphophobius starts to refer to me as a "scammer" who is " in cahoots" with other members as part of some sort of clandestine scamming ring;

8. to this point, graphophobius has still provided no evidence whatsoever to support any of his claims, despite my many challenges to provide some
9. instead of providing evidence, graphophobius begins to OPENLY ADMIT that he has no evidence, only his "opinions" (as if that admission somehow absolves him from any responsibility for the lies, false accusations, baseless claims, and intellectual dishonesty that he obviously intends to continue)

10. finally tired of the non-stop attacks against my character, I retaliate against graphophobius with more abrasive challenges and some choice words
11. graphophobius immediately begins to play the victim, claiming that he can't understand why I am now being "unprofessional" in my responses to him, because--as he humorously claims--he has "been nothing but professional" and "more professional than anyone else";

12. graphophobius continues to refuse to provide any evidence to support his accusations against me and others; in fact, his accusations and deranged conclusions continue to get more outlandish by the day;

13. and here we are


Even if a person has no "good" attributes, which is highly unlikely and arguably impossible, there still exists the "best" attribute among all of the bad.

Work on your reasoning skills and comprehension.

Who's your ghostwriter?

Wow that's an impressively irrelevant sidestep, coward.

I'd like to get an outside opinion. I have clearly exposed you guys, but you're doing your thing where you bury the truth in a bunch of words.

But hey, keep it coming.

Despite what you (W2B) may say about me, you are still a major player on a site that blatantly advertises and protects exposed scammers. On the surface it looks like you are pissing into the wind. But after a close read, you are not really all that concerned about exposing scammers, otherwise you would attack the source, which is EssayScam. Need proof that this is the source? Look at the ads in the banner, then come back here and I'll sell you slightly used essay for cheap.

Oh, yes, you've done a great job.

What drugs are you on, exactly? Whatever concoction you're using might be effective in halting the Ebola outbreak. It's obviously pretty damn powerful stuff you've got there.

W2B, So you haven't seen that Major is defending his essay that I purchased from him?

I finally answered one of your questions. So I think it is only fair that you answer these simple questions:
Can you see that Major is defending the quality of the paper I purchased from Essaythinker.com?
Can you see that Major is defending Essaythinker.com?

Two option for an answer: yes or no.

If you can give a straight answer to these questions, then what does that say about you?

W2B, you can't answer my questions without being caught in a lie, can you?

You are the only one are asking the obvious questions. I was defending Essaythinker because your 'test' was worthless. Order 100 essays from 100 different writers and THEN you can have a much more accurate proof.

What I can see is that Major is playing the role of devil's advocate because you came here playing the role of a-hole.


What is this "lie," exactly? Be specific, please.

Major, why are you saying that your own test is worthless?


Just answer the questions. Or are you afraid?

Can you see that Major is defending the quality of the paper I purchased from Essaythinker.com?
Can you see that Major is defending Essaythinker.com?

Major is playing the role of devil's advocate because you came here playing the role of a*hole.


Major is playing the role of devil's advocate because you came here playing the role of a*hole.

Do you think that you are the only forum member who is allowed to play games? You took a dirty, dishonest, underhanded approach to this forum.

Okay, good.

Now, why would Major get upset that I followed his advice on purchasing a paper from sites advertised in the banner? The two of you continue ignore the fact that this was his idea.


Nope. I walked into a bar fight and punched the biggest bully right in the nose.

You FAILED the test because you didn't know that all writing services work with independent freelance writers and a writing service is as strong as its weakest link (ie. their weakest writer). You wrongly assumed that the same writer would work on 100 different orders (when in fact it could happen that 100 orders are completed by 100 different writers). The writer who completed your order could be their strongest one, but you will never find out until you place 30 or more orders. In result, your test was pretty much worthless.

You're arguing about the capital of Switzerland, but you have no idea on which continent it is.

Oh, I wouldn't want to state something that is "obvious," would I?

Not once have I denied that it was Major's idea. What's your point? Remember, I'm not here to help you in any way. You saw to that.


If I'm the "biggest bully," why can't you post a single example of me "bullying" someone who doesn't/didn't deserve it for attacking me first or being a scammer, liar, charlatan, impostor, or spammer? Why is that example so difficult for you to find? My purported "bullying" is so rampant, after all . . . .

You have bullied everybody in every interaction with every member on this forum. The proof is there for anybody to see. Here's your proof: every post by W2B.

What a sniveling piece of s-i* you are . . . the ultimate coward.

Are you like this in real life?

Is this what you tell your customers?

If I'm a customer, I want the quality that is promised, no excuses. Anything about "100 writers" and "30 or more orders" is just noise to me.

I know, Major's excuses make me really wonder about which business he represents here, and why he never mentions it. It sounds like maybe it was the essay world equivalent of a shady discount furniture outlet. "What do you mean, it's mismatched and missing a leg! It's a table!"

Isn't your response above one of the best reasons that customers looking for good writing may be safest with freelance writers instead of with any company that maintains hundreds of writers who vary substantially in their relative abilities, experience, and competence? This would seem to be especially true when many of us good writers are the very same writers (even using the same S/N for freelance and company work) and when the search function here can be used by customers to confirm that in posts going back 5 or 6 years? According to your response above, it wouldn't really mean much of anything whether a customer got a horrible essay or a fantastic essay from a company unless he could get a guarantee that his future work will be completed by the same writer (and being able to "request" that writer is hardly the same thing as any guarantee). No essay company that I know ever "assigns" orders to any writer or requires any writer to complete a requested order. I've had requested orders for me added to my account by the company, but with very few exceptions (i.e. an order I'd have been interested in taking), I've always just contacted admin to let them know I wasn't interested in that order and then it was promptly removed from my account and posted for other writers.

Even if customers luck out and manage to get one of us experienced writers the first time, they still have no idea who'll do their next essay at the same company; and even if they request me (or Professor Verb, for example) based on the first essay, if we decline the request, the order goes right back onto the list of orders available to any other writer who grabs it first. At best, the cautious customer can specify that he wants a refund if his requested writer is unavailable, but that just leaves him right back at Square One without a reliable source of good work unless he wants to take his chances all over again and take his chances with a stable of hundreds of anonymous (to him) company writers. It's even worse on some company systems that rely on the honor system for other writers not to grab requests for specific writers and I know of no company that reserves requested orders for the requested writer for more than 3 hours, after which the request simply becomes available to every one of hundreds of other writers.

Conversely, with freelancers, a customer can at least have confidence that the quality of work provided on the first small test order is representative of the quality he'll be getting in the future from that writer. Even in the event a freelancer is so good that he sometimes has "overflow" work, a good freelancer with an established reputation will only give that work to another writer he considers to be an equally reliable peer so there's no drop-off in quality. In my case, for example, I might use Professor Verb in an emergency, precisely because I know the quality of his work and I know that he's no less reliable than I am.

To be fair to the OP, you didn't originally suggest that the way to test one of those advertising sites was to place "100 orders" to identify 1 decent writer at the company being tested. You simply suggested that someone should test the company by placing an order with them, which seems to be exactly what he did. He placed an order and then posted the entire essay right here for others to read and draw their own independent conclusions. He's right that there's something suspicious about why that essay would be removed from the thread on an anti-scam site and without any explanation of how it violated the forum TOS or why it was removed. This might not matter to the company that sells ad space here, because I've only bought ads a few times and just for 1 week at a time, but continuing to sell ad space to any company that lies about its location or that provides low-quality work (if either of those is truly the case) only deters us qualified legitimate writers (and companies) from purchasing future ads right next to theirs.

You will never post anything without a self-promoting focus, will you..


.. because I assumed he was not so clueless about how commercial academic paper services work ..


.. hint - the most likely reason could be to prevent search engines from classifying the posted content as duplicate ..


.. you have almost completed a law school, have you. If so, do you really think that denying ad space to services that may or may not be 'fraudulent' would hold any water in a court of law when it comes to anti-competitive practices? Imagine tomorrow some student posts that you have written a sub-standard or biased piece of work and in result you are a fraudster. And after that you try to buy advertising here and receive a reply from admin: "Sorry, but some student has recently said you were a scammer; consequently, you are not allowed to buy advertising here." What would be your response?

Might want to check out ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/refusal-deal - what the FTC has to say about that.

Notable quote: "In general, a firm has no duty to deal with its competitors."

Plenty of companies offer writer names and writer numbers, if you want to make a request. It's not all some random draw in the first place.

I simply stated my true opinion and I presented my reasoning in objective terms and in substantial detail. In my opinion, Grapho is 100% correct that everybody who bothers to read, register, and post on this forum is either a prospective customer or an essay service provider (in some direct or indirect capacity). In my opinion, the most obvious indication that someone is secretly employed by or has some other undisclosed financial interest in essay companies is that he or she always responds angrily to any suggestion that freelancers might be better bets than companies. Another indication is refusing to give a simple and direct answer to the questions "Are you currently employed by or in any way financially interested in any essay company?" and "Why are you so interested in this particular industry among all of the possible choices of industries in the world (like counterfeit pharmaceutical manufacturers, child sex-slave traffickers, financial investment scammers, exploitative transplant organ recruiters, phony medical service providers, and phony adoption services, for a few examples) where rip offs do so much more harm than even the worst scammer in this industry?" I'd trust anybody who admits why he's here over anybody who doesn't. You're entitled to a different opinion on all of the above. I don't see any reason for anger or nastiness unless, of course, you work for an essay company and can't disclose that.


A. I believe the company that runs this forum could simply state that it reserves the right to vet any prospective advertisers and then make a good-faith attempt to avoid taking ads from any apparent scam companies without any legal problems, as long as they establish standard vetting protocols as suggested by several other forum members.

B. Ironically, by falsely stating that I "almost" graduated from law school anybody who works for or is associated with any essay company that runs this forum would be engaging in anti-competitive practices because you have my full identifying information and would only have to make one quick phone call to New York Law School (212-431-2100) to verify my degree with the Office of Alumni Affairs instead of maliciously making a false statement against a direct competitor.


It's true that customers can request specific writers at many companies. My statement was that I know of no essay company that requires a requested writer to take an order and every essay company I've ever written for makes those orders available to all of the other writers if the requested writer doesn't want it, unless the customer specifies in advance that he wants a refund if the requested writer doesn't take it. Most customers don't even know that some of the "different essay companies" they think they're comparing are all owned by the same company and all use the exact same stable of writers regardless of which of their dozens (or even hundreds) of companies actually takes the order. I couldn't even count how many times I've completed company orders where the note from the customer said something like "I'm ordering from you guys because __________ Company gave me a horrible essay...so I'm hoping you guys are better!!" and they have no idea that it's all the same company and all the same writers.

You made several false and unsubstantiated claims about me.

I just got home after a long day out with the kids. I have another fantastic day planned for tomorrow. So, you'll have to wait until Monday for me to bury you with the facts.

You can resume your position as "Senior Loser" now.

I didn't ask for your life story.

I asked you to substantiate your claim that I am a "charlatan" or the I "pretended not to know graphophobius."

If you had time to respond to me in two different discussions, you certainly had time to offer at least some evidence to support your position (if you had any such evidence, that is).


LOL! Bring it on.


This is just one more example of exactly the kind of behavior to which I have referred.

You have called me all manner of names, have accused me of being a "charlatan," have claimed that I am "dishonest," and have asserted that I "pretended not to know graphophobius." You do not know me, or know anything about me. Yet you have no problem with making unsubstantiated charges, calling me a "loser," a "dips***," etc.

Yet you find it surprising that I commented on your nastiness and negativity?

I came to this site hoping to find a positive environment in which to interact with other academic writers. What I found instead were your profane, nasty, and entirely misplaced personal attacks.

And you came here with good reason. The following is from EssayScam's Linked in page. Sounds really nice, doesn't it? Ha!

As I stated, I will post it tomorrow, Mr. Irrelevant. I never like to disappoint a stalker.


Damn, you are such a sniveling b**-h. How many times did you get your as* kicked in school?

After you explain why I am a "charlatan" and prove that I "lied about knowing graphpohobius," would you also explain why I am a "stalker"? In for a penny and all.


No, you don't, at least not in my case.

Bump: Just in case anybody needs reminded about the time that Major defended a site a Writers2Beware has exposed "long ago" as a scam.

Where is Vernon Barth? He's in every thread but this one.