Essay - Trying a few out

Thanks to everyone who has offered advice, either in replies to my posts or through private messages. Based on advice i got i'm sending a short assignment to a few websites...i finally narrowed it down to 3 so now i'll wait and see what kind of results i get from a few companies charging different prices. I can let anyone whose interested know how it goes.

Ok i've had some mixed results but still pushing through, think i've got one picked out but i still want to see how the longer order i have with them works out. I'll let you all know how it turns out.

No, you can't.

Ha ha! What?

You signed up 10 minutes ago and you think you know how things work better than I do? Go ahead and post your "completely unbiased reviews" and see where the mod puts them.

great response, except i never said i know how things work better than you do...and who are you quoting, i never said anything about "completely unbiased reviews" so i'm assuming that's from somewhere on this site, but it's kind of pointless to quote that small phrase so out of context...i don't know why you have to try and start a fight

plus your quote from the rules says i can't advertise and obviously i wasn't going to be doing that, all i ever talked about was sharing my experiences after trying some out...if i'm not supposed to discuss my personal experiences then why does it say on the very first page, in the very first FAQ, that that's exactly what i'm supposed to do?

plus you seem to have given your opinion about many sites on here...honestly what's the difference?

the only relevance the rule you quoted has to this thread is that the mods are the ones who have to determine whether something is a review or an ad, and that if they determine its an ad i might be suspended

first of all, the fact that the rule is there seems to imply there's a difference between a review and an advertisement (especially since one is encouraged and the other is not allowed), but its just that the mods have to decide what's what and we could get suspended depending on how they interpret something

second, if i do get suspended then that's just what'll happen to me, and it doesn't really affect you either way

third, i may not have been signed up here as long as you but i've been reading the site for longer than i've been posting and it doesn't take long to figure out that you are only here to disrupt the who purpose of this site...you take all the threads in a different direction and get people frustrated whenever they try to talk about something relevant...the stated purpose of this site is so we can discuss our experiences, yet you tell everyone that it is against the rules, so basically you're going around telling people that they can do anything on this site except for its intended purpose..seems like the mods would suspend you for that!

This is my one response to you WritersBeware, i have already seen you do this same thing to other people and i've seen them prove you wrong...i think i have summarized here all my points in favor of what i'm saying and against what you're saying...i'm sure you'll respond, but i doubt you'll actually respond to the points i make...you usually just quote little pieces here and there and make nonsensical objections

everyone, isn't it obvious that WritersBeware is a liar? WB tells us constantly that we aren't allowed to do certain things here that truly are not against the rules...on the other hand, such things are encouraged and are the stated purpose of this site!

Pheelyks contacted me through PM and tried to tell me the same thing...he also tried soliciting this way, hoping to make some money off me but i'd rather go with someone who can understand simple rules and not lie about them

so, this will be my one and only response to you WB, as its obvious to anyone, whether they've been here "10 minutes" like me or have been lying on here for years like you

people, the ONLY way to solve the WB problem is to completely ignore WB's posts...if WB posts in your thread, do not argue, that's what WB wants...just ignore it....when you want to respond in a thread that WB has already posted in, just ignore his post and stick with the relevant information

i'm not wasting my time trying to make nice with WB and then make my point, that's obviously impossible....in this thread alone WB has lied to me and made fun of me for believing the truth

I PMd you to let you know that recommendations aren't allowed (and they're not--you can interpret the rules any way you want, but I and WB as well as the other people posting here--many of whom vehemently disagree with WB on a minute-by-minute basis--know how the mods interpret them).

I also offered completely free advice on how to go about selecting a decent company to work with, but you were more interested in spending your time arguing over the finer points of essayscam's terms of use. After several days going back and forth on this topic, I identified you as a controlling b**-h and broke off communications.

While it is true that in the course of our private emails--completely off the forum and thus in no way bound by the rules of this forum--I offered to help you if you needed it, saying I was "trying to make money off of you" has much more nefarious implications. I was trying to make money the same way a grocery store tries to make money by advertising special deals in newspapers, and the same way whatever scam company you end up ordering with is making money...except I would have delivered a quality product.

I sincerely hope you end up ordering from one of stu4's or researcher's sites--then you might see why recommendations aren't allowed, and why keeping the focus of this site on exposing the scam companies serves a useful purpose.

What? You're clearly delusional, lady.


Yes, I do the "same thing" to morons, liars, and selfish rule-breakers every chance I get. What escapes you is that I don't give a damn about people like you. This site is not here to help you make a personal decision as to which site to use. I post information and evidence in this forum to help honest, respectful, innocent people avoid scams and fraudulent sites, which is the main, true, original purpose of this site. You don't qualify.


Sounds about right . . . .


That just about hits the nail on the head.

Right on. There isn't anything wrong with offering one's services once a member contacts a writer. There also isn't anything wrong if a member contacts a writer with the purpose of hiring that writer.


In my opinion, dbryant still seems like a genuine client looking for a service. He hasn't actually made any reviews yet (right?) so technically, he hasn't "broken" any forum rules. What dbryant failed to understand is that this forum is generally for clients and writers to post their bad reviews about companies. That's because if a person ever puts up a good review, all of the writers here who work for competing companies will drill that person's statements (and some, that person's character) to bits. The principle of the site is simple yet (IMO) sufficiently sensible: if you're a client who found a good service, why the **** would you tell other people about it?

To sum up, what you do is these two simple steps to do your "research":

1. Look up the domain WHOIS info.

2. Does the registrant name sound English? If the registrant name doesnt sound English -> the site must be a scam. (no matter if domain was registered by webmaster or another 3rd party person - you don't know that and cannot know that but you still assume registrant = site owner).

3. IF registrant name sounds English then you move on to check the phone number and address. If it's PO Box - the site must be a scam. If it's a UPS store or listed address is not US/UK, the site (what a coincidence:D) must be a scam.

4. If you cannot find anything from the WHOIS info, you check links. Does the site link to other 'foreign' sites or other 'foreign' sites link to it? Sure - that must be a scam.

5. If the above points don't bring anything useful, you search for the owners possible names. You check Facebook, Myspace and other similar garbage. You check Twitter too - if the supposed owner twitted something completely unrelated to show who they really are, like "I shipped some stuff to India." - hell yes, they must be Indian scammers.

Your "research" could be done with the same result by a 7 yo. You repeat yourself and waste the resources of this forum.

What's the most important - you are the owner of one of the biggest essay services and all you care about is your bottom line. The fact that you own a competing website AND try to discredit your direct competitor directly discredits you. Your posts here are only because you are an essay site owner yourself -> how can any of your message have any unbiased opinion? It just can't.

There are other site owners here but even if they try to advertise they don't discredit other sites. You do it "the honest, American way" - you fear your competition and your bottom line so you attack them because you and your site is unable to provide a better service. Your only choice is to dumb down to your level and discredit other sites and its sad you cannot do it in a fair way.

Yuri, if you would simply post ANY evidence whatsoever that I am this person that you claim me to do, I would feel the need to refute you.

By the way, I don't use ANY of those 5 steps that you posted. You're an ignorant tool.

Not true. There are several companies that appear to be reliable that I don't work for, and I have openly admitted a desire to work for these companies and have refrained from bashing them/their customers. When "customers" post positive reviews of sites that are obvious scams, I tend to believe that they are shills for that company, but I still try to extend the benefit of the doubt that they might be one of the lucky few that got a good paper from a s-i*ty company (I myself worked for uvo for close to a year, after all).



Really? I mean, REALLY? Jesus....

Yep, which isn't quite true. You also said i could contact you for advice, and then you later explained that you contacted me because i needed help and that you, as a writer, could help...so basically you PMed me to offer the "advice" that you cuold take my order..i will admit that you seemed nice at first, but then you treated me like an idiot for not immediately agreeing with you, which is never a good sign...plus it kind of seems like you were breaking the same rule that you were telling me not to break...the rule covers the PMs too, and you did contact me through PM to advertise yourself


I agree, but he contacted me first so he seems kind of like a hypocrit.


well, why would i tell someone about my favorite restaurant that just opened? it's so that they'll go and the place can stay in business and i can keep eating there...i guess i could try to get people to go eat at the places i hate so there won't be so many people at the one i like, but if i was actually successful then my favorite restaurant would go out of business while the ones i hate would be doing well...of course i won't make or break any business myself, but you can see the principle here...plus, the whole point of sharing information with others is that they might find my info useful and i might find theirs useful, so even if they go try the site i tell them about i might go try the site they tell me about and we can each pick which one we like better

nobody even considered that i wasn't planning on sharing my experiences here in the forum (even though sharing our experiences with essay writing companies is the stated purpose for the site's existence)....maybe i was going to stop at the second post and only share my experiences with those who contacted me for advice...and don't say this is advertising through the PMs because that would be letting them contact me first, not me contacting them first with my 'advice' like pheelyks did with me

but once again, if i want to share my experiences here, i can...and i could share my experiences without mentioning who the positive ones were with...plus let's remember something important: just because i have a good experience with a company doesn't mean somebody else will, so saying that example.com did a good job on my order is not the same as a recommending them or saying they'll do a good job on somebody else's order...just because we both order from example.com doesn't even mean we'll get the same writer

of course the mods can interpret it that way if they like and they have every right to, but i'm assuming the mods are competent to do their jobs correctly and don't need random forum members trying to play mod for them

The mods do not get paid to constantly monitor every thread and post. It's a thankless job. I and others like to help make the mods' job a little easier by pointing out the junk.

This is pure bulls-i*. I offered advice, I told you I could tell you the names of some legitimate companies to order from, and I also gave some general advice as to how to go about not getting screwed when working with any company or writer. The only thing you seemed to care about, however, over SEVRAL DAYS of emailing back and forth, was whether or not recommendations were allowed and whether I knew the difference between a recommendation and advertising. They're not, and I do, and the fact that this was the only thing you seemed to care about was what led me to determine that you are, in fact, a total b**-h.


what is immediate about three different emails over a three day period all harping on the same issue? I didn't treat you like an idiot until after you had proven yourself to be one by arguing a point that was completely immaterial to your needs--you were more intent on winning the battle of interpreting essayscam's rules than anything else, and that's a waste of my (and your) time. That makes you an idiot. And a b**-h.


I have provided free advice to many people through initial PMs and subsequent emails. Yes, I sometimes end up with customers that way, too, and sometimes the companies I work for end p with customers that way, and sometimes neither of us do and the person gets some free advice with no skin off my nose. I NEVER offer services through a PM or recommend any companies using this forum in any way--and this forum is what the rules cover. You idiotic b**-h.

Actually, here's a direct quote from an email you sent, referring back to when you contacted me through PM: "I contacted you because you said you needed help and, as a writer, I can provide that help."


you brought it up, i responded, you responded, etc., i don't see how what i did is different from what you did


at least i backed up my point instead of attacking and insulting...how many times have you called me an idiot and a b**-h now? how many times have i used any such words for you? if you can't argue a point any better than that then how good a paper-writer can you be? you are absolutely pathetic and its sad that some people turn to someone like you...i may have come here looking for help on a paper, but i know i can find someone who can put together an argument better than you, just about anyone could....

once again everyone, let's take a look at the situation...i'm somebody who came here looking for someone to write my paper....pheelyks is someone who is here because he writes papers for money....pheelyks can't even put together an argument to support his point as well as i can...he has to resort to calling me names and lying when faced with me backing up what i say

i won't stir things up at this particular time by makign a positive recommendation for anyone, but i think anyone with half a brain can see that pheelyks has shown right here that he doesn't have the same skills that are involved in writing papers, which are just a matter of making a point and supporting it in ways that make sense, which pheelyks is obviously very poor at

Hey, then you're the exception to the rule. However, since I wager that none of us actually know all of the companies that everyone else is working for, there's no way of finding out if you really don't work for the companies that you only claim to admire. Correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I'm glad that it's now clear that we can offer our services to potential clients who post on this forum as long as we do so via direct email after the potential client responds to our non-soliciting PM.


I disagree. Only our resident a**hole-idiot chimera assumed that. IMO, even pheelyks did not imply that you were out to promote some service.


Essay sites and restaurants are very different establishments. You don't normally want to eat wearing a coat and a hood when you're at your favorite bistro, do you? On the other hand, students who use essay sites are very particular about keeping their transactions as quiet as possible, so they usually only post here to know if a certain site is worth a try or to complain about site that scammed them. Of course, not all of those who do either of the things I mentioned is a genuine customer, but a poster who claims that he/she will try out a particular website is almost always either a promoter or a defamer.

Yup. I said this in one of my last emails to you, and I believe I followed it with, "you're such a pain in the a$$, though, that now I want nothing to do with you," or something to that effect. I still offered free advice that did not involve me making any money, and would have been happy to provide it if you wanted.


I know you don't. That's what makes you an idiotic b**-h.


I think we're around an even dozen....


Your argument consisted of, "advertisements and recommendations aren't he same thing." My response was, "I realize that, but this is how the mods interpret their own rules," to which you responded, "nuh-uh." When I got tired of trying to convince you that after almost two years I know how the forum works, I started calling you an idiotic b**-h. You have yet to prove me wrong on this final point.


I don't have to resort to calling you names, I think it's fun, and when did I lie? And you haven't "backed up" anything you've said--your only argument is that advertisements and recommendations are two different things, and my response is still, "the mods don't see it that way on this forum."

You can comment on my paper writing abilities as much as you want; the 3.9 I earned getting my English degree, the repeated requests I receive from customers, and the house I'm in the process of buying all disagree with you.


That's true, but I can't do much about that...the companies I'm referring to are in the UK and don't hire US writers, and state this very clearly, but I realize that still isn't proof. You either have to believe me or not.


I have no doubt that dbryant is a legitimate customer. I also know that whatever company the b**-h ends up working with won't think its business is worth the money.


Which is why recommendations are treated like advertisements and aren't allowed on the forum. And here we go again....

EW_writer = clueless, propaganda-crazed b**-h


Yeah, and I am often the one who quickly calls him/her out for it so that others do not fall for the scam. I'm glad that you have finally admitted that my actions have merit.


Bingo.

Riiight.. like in this case?

USA Essays?

Give me a break. All you're good for in this area is spotting fake addresses.





Wow.. are you actually going to accuse dbryant of being a site promoter/defamer? ^____^

No. What I'm telling you-and dbryant before you-is exactly what pheelyks already told you regarding recommendations:


Gee, I wonder why you won't challenge him and instead tried to redirect your disdain for his comment against me.

Shut up and stop trying to spin my positions every chance you get. Nobody's amused by your personal propaganda in literally every thread in which I post. Seriously, just stop ruining every thread. It's incredibly selfish.

Which is fine with me since:



Challenge him on what? I disagreed with him on several things in this thread. Why are you so keen in making it seem like I'm afraid to tell pheelyks when I think he's wrong? I'm not and this thread shows exactly that.

Last I read, WB was not registered as a company owner or moderator at this forum. Therefore, he never had the right to determine what might constitute an advertisement offer. O.P. was correct to cite the regulation about how and what sort of posts can be made here. It has always been a misconception that only negative reviews, and warnings can be left here. In fact, the forum owners wish they could see more positive reviews here. according to my inside sources, a positive review does not constitute an endorsement. It only speaks of the client experience. Provided no reference is made that would appear to be suggesting that students directly hire the company or independent writers, then ,the post will not be considered an endorsement or advertisement by those actually in charge of policing the forum threads .

A situation was created by the forum allowing company representatives to post about their services at this forum. By allowing these people to rightfully or wrongfully advertise their services here, the separation between an advertisement and a positive review disappeared. The students will not bother to check the OP profile before contacting a writer privately. They will just assume that it is a user posted review. It was only lately that I began to check profiles before posting a response to the OP so that I could learn whether I was reading a company ad or a user review. Most of the time, it is a company ad posted by a clueless sales representative who speaks as a student, but lists himself as a company rep. My suggestion is that the forum create a different forum section that will be clearly identified as "Company Advertising", that way the company reps will stop getting lost when posting their advertisements and, the students will clearly know that they are not reading a user generated review. That way the discussion as to what comprises a review and what qualifies as an advertisement can be avoided.