Define: Native English speaker

this is just more evidence that writers are treated worse than mechanics. it doesn't really matter where.

Correction: you are treated worse than a mechanic. It only took a few months for me to figure out what was up, and now I don't have any of the problems listed above. Stop projecting your own failings on everyone else.

haha, pheelyks. yeah, I'm projecting... that's why you kept working for a company that fined you.

Read a little more carefully, Buford. As soon as the fines became something still imposed after I defended myself, I quit and published the essays elsewhere. Other companies can and do treat writers quite nicely.

sure, sure...

....and we're back to the usual useless response you give when actual facts get in the way of your whining.

I bet you'd be as unhelpful a mechanic as you are a writer. "don't like the crap hack-job I did on your transmission? tough. now, let's see if I can find something with which to extort you." with that attitude, lunchbox, you're really going places. maybe someday, when you're a big boy, you can run one of these ****-shows yourself.

I know nothing about cars. I don't sell my services as a mechanic. It's pretty simple.

You also need to look up "extortion." The one, single instance you're alluding to was not extortion, blackmail, or anything remotely similar. What the customer was trying to do to me would qualify as extortion; what I did to him was necessary for me to legally cover my ass.

Of course, if you had any integrity you'd admit that you know all this already.

My definition of a Native English Speaker is that of a person who can converse fluently, without having to think of English word equivalents during the conversation. As a writer, this is a person who can write the paper for the student in grammatically correct English inclusive of the English writing rules considerations. There should not be any confusing points in the writing, every sentence needs to make sense and clearly connect with the next sentence for a cohesive thought process. Anything less than these would make the writer an ESL in my book. You may also refer to https://essayscam.org/forum/rt/learning-english-vernacular-way-6163/.

@Cite: Who cares what you think? What's the actual definition? You have Google, Google Scholar, or if not, whatever you have in your country, some equivalent... they're not perfect for bigger questions, but, "What is a native English speaker?" is not a tough one!

@mods: Why do my posts calling out Cite's error-riddled disinformation campaign always get deleted? Why does said campaign remain?

Here's a great quote that speaks to the heart of the matter: "A 'native speaker of English' refers to someone who has learned and used English from early childhood. It does not necessarily mean that it is the speaker's only language, but it means it is and has been the primary means of concept formation and communication... formal English is only one aspect of the language. Knowing instantly what slang means, what cultural references mean, how to reduce syntax to a bare minimum and still convey precise meaning - all these things, and more, are what constitute native speech." (english.stackexchange.com/questions/14582/meaning-of-native-speaker-of-english).

Focus on the topic, not on trolling other posters.

The description of a Native English speaker is usually reserved as a reference to the citizens of the following countries:

USA
UK
Ireland
Canada
South Africa
Australia
New Zealand

This classification places the citizens of other countries, but who were born and raised speaking either British or American English, and were educated in international schools where the medium of education is English, at a disadvantage. English tests would classify these people as "Native English" speakers, while those from the countries listed would argue that they are not native speakers simply based on syntax differences and accents. Which does not matter to the educator in the English speaking country since English is acknowledged as a living, breathing, and evolving language that is influenced by various usage eccentricities of differing countries, hence the constantly changing language use that helps the language to grow in international influence.

The truth is that one need not be born in the listed countries to classify as a native speaker. These qualifications that matter so much to the writers at this forum do not matter at all. As long as the person speaks/writes fluently in coherent English, regardless of whether it is American or UK English, regardless of his birthplace, he is classified as a Native English speaker because English is his native language and he uses the language in a manner almost indiscernible to that of one born in any of the enumerated countries.

I've mentioned before that neither of the two strongest influences on my writing skills was born in an English-speaking country: my father and my 10th-Grade English teacher, both of whom learned English as a second (or third or fourth) language. However, they both became bona fide English grammarians who spoke the language better and had much more extensive vocabularies than 99.9% of the native English-speaking population. So, I'd agree that it's not about country of origin, at all. However, neither of them ever made any kinds of grammar, word-use, or idiomatic mistakes at all, especially mistakes of the type only made by ESL speakers and never made by native English speakers.