Still want to hire a native English writer? Half Americans in a big American city are illiterate! :)

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"According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are "functionally illiterate." The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday."

detroit.cbslocal.com/2011/05/04/report-nearly-half-of-detroiters-cant-read/

This might be amazing to you, Stu4, but there are actually MANY cities in the United States, and Detroit is hardly a typical example. Your argument is specious from the beginning, however, as I am just as much against native English speakers lying about their qualifications to customers as I am against foreign scammers pretending to be fluent. Also, I sincerely doubt any of the functionally illiterate Detroiters are trying to make a living writing essays.

Conclusive points:

1. there are good BOTH native and ESL writers

2. bad ESL writer can still read and write in English

3. bad native English writer cannot read or write in English at all

Yes...


Not necessarily. it is perfectly possible to pick up spoken/auditory skills in multiple languages without becoming literate in any


This sentence is logically invalid. Anyone who is an "English writer" can, by definition, write in English. There are Americans who can't write in English, and there are many citizens of other nations that can't read or write in their own native tongue. The overall literacy rate in the US is 99%--it should definitely be higher, and I am dismayed by our educational system, but your cited information has nothing to do with how well any particular individual can write an essay.

Like this:

"Uh huh..."

What a logical, informed, and useful response.

Who cares if they can write in English or not. Americans are stupid and students are likely to get beautifully written nonsense if they hire such Americans.

Statistics and facts do not lie. This is true and I realized in most cases. Though native speakers, but POOR CONTENT-WRITERS. Hardly can they write a decent mathematics or chemistry paper not forgetting that most of them graduate through written papers. It is only that customers are blinded by the EFL nonsense. IT IS NOT ABOUT NATIVE SPEAKERS BUT GOOD WRITERS who at times, come from ESL writers.

mayur_digitized + Thoth = ignorant, America-hating morons who couldn't type a coherent paragraph to save their lives

You are more moron than us. Facts never lie. One only gives credit where required. But for American writers, NO.

Really? I am "more moron" than you? LMAO!


Where are your "facts"? Oh, my bad-you mean the "facts" that you haven't posted because they don't exist. Yeah, those facts . . . .


WHAT? Seriously-WHAT?

I bet that prospective customers just can't WAIT to place an order with your unqualified, ESL, ripoff company!

If it is a situation where I have to save my life, I guess I won't have to depend upon my writing skills. I don't foresee a situation where a thief puts a gun to my head and asks me to write a coherent paragraph.

good going WB, you just gave an example of how stupid Americans can be. If you want any proof, just visit Youtube and search for "Stupid Americans"

"in which"
(A situation isn't a location.)


Earth to genius: "to save your life" is an expression. Alas, you wouldn't know that because you're an ignorant, ESL idiot.

FYI, every time you post, you further solidify the fact that I am correct. Good job, Gomer!

Does not matter, because you are stupid..may be fat and lazy too.. that makes you useless..it is much worse than someone having poor English.

You are mistaken. You abuse the word "prospective". They are doomed!

You clearly have no idea what the word "prospective" means. Go away.

Good. But its not only Detroid -its half of Amerika. How the dumbed-down population can do a good intelligent and relevant research? Not possible. Foreign-based research with blatant grammar error is 100% better than error-free cartoonish and plagiarized research.


prisonplanet/americans-are-the-most-gullible-people-on-the-planet.html

No, it's half of Detroit. Learn to read your own sources.

Your entire argument is completely illogical, of course, because even if half of America was illiterate (the literacy rate is actually at 99%), the literate half would still be among the more proficient users of English in the world, and would thus generally be more capable of writing an academic paper in English than the average random person selected from, say, Ukraine.


Wow! What a scholarly and wholly unbiased source! No wonder this guy is relegated to talk radio--his kind of careful and retrained rhetoric isn't nearly inflammatory enough for cable news.....

I feel sorry for the victims that were fooled to hire you as the essay writer. The article was not writen by the radio man you say but the Paul Joseph Watson.

You get a direct source from your client and you still fail to comprehent the meaning or get the author. Your research and analytic skill are very poor. Thankyou for proving the point.

From your source: "Watson is also a regular fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show."

You can fu*- off now.

As the writer and academic researcher youre as useless as the spellchecker for digits.

As a writer


you're


where to begin......

And we've completely given up trying to make any sort of rational argument at all, I see....

"Now, now, lay off Detroit," said Moe the bartender. "Them people is living in 'Mad Max' times."

I am puzzled by how you somehow managed to turn a review of one city in the United States and use that as a platform to attack literacy in the country.

This is not a case of one bad apply spoils the whole basket, this is a case of an exception rather than the norm. The city you cite has several education based problems that led to that assumption on the part of the writer.

Your assumption becomes even further flawed when you consider that America is still one of the highest rated in terms of education worldwide.

Trying to slam a few writers at this forum without knowing the real facts nor the real background of the writers is simply an underhanded attack that backfired on you. You can barely express yourself in coherent English, unlike the writers that you chose to attack.

Let's not even get started on your unwarranted attack on the educational system and educational problems of a nation that you, coming from a communist country, will never understand.

Just know this, American writers are literate and even an American high school drop-out will run circles around a college graduate from your country.

The guy to whom you're responding hasn't posted here in more than 4 years. When he did post, it was somewhat obvious that it was several different users with varying degrees of butchered ESL-English and very limited intelligence sharing that account and collaborating to try to do anything possible to try to undermine confidence in legitimate American writers in the hope of steering business toward their horrible foreign ESL essay company. Their nonsensical and illiterate attacks in barely-comprehensible "English" and our subsequent responses were almost as helpful to us as paying for advertising. I wouldn't be too worried about any of their ridiculous arguments or accusations, because the average client understands that the illiteracy rate in Detroit (and other American cities) has nothing to do with any Americans with advanced degrees who have already established great reputations in this industry. Illiterate people tend not to establish successful decades-long careers writing grad-school academic projects.

The age of the post is not important. What is important is that the attention of the students will be called with regards to the literacy discussion in relation to the academic writing industry. I really do not see what is wrong with reviving old threads. In this case, with the pandemic locking everyone down per country, this information will make for good reading, consideration, and discussion among students who are thinking of a way around the learn from home set up that most countries are implementing. It can help them learn the basics of screening their writers, if this semester will be the first time that they will be using an academic writer. There is no such thing as a dead discussion. All discussions can be revived at any given time, for any given reason that you do not have to agree with.

Quite clearly.


My point wasn't that one should never add any new relevant thought to an old thread just because it was started (and/or last posted in 4 or 5 years ago). My point was simply that it sounds really silly to address one's new thoughts directly to the OP in 2018 when the thread was started in 2011, the most recent previous post was in 2013, and the OP's last activity anywhere on this forum was in 2014. Anybody involved in any way in this industry (except, perhaps, as a customer) should be fully capable of expressing the same thought objectively and from the third-person perspective.

While American education is on the decline in the grammar and high school levels, I would not say that the tertiary educational system is also in a downward spiral. There is a misconception that the American writers are illiterate because of the volume of immigrant students in the system. These are the ones who often turn the academic writing later on. They are the ones that do not have a good grasp of the English language and then dare to enter the academic writing profession.

There's no doubt that, generally, Americans' grasp of grammar in their own language is substantially worse than that of native speakers of other languages. However, Americans who've been writing for a living for decades obviously tend to know grammar much better than the average American who doesn't write for a living. Some of us are actually grammarians who only deviate from strict grammar deliberately and for a very specific reason, such as where grammar that is technically correct may sound more awkward than colloquialisms, especially in student essays.