Are freelance essay writers a much better bet than essay companies?

As for the primary topic, I find companies to be cheaper than freelancers. Example: For a 3900 words master level course work due in 3 weeks, ET asks 234$. For the same work a decent freelancer asks 400-500$.

That may very well be true, especially for longer deadlines. However, the good essay companies generally charge more than (or exactly the same as) their best freelancers do privately for shorter or rush deadlines. Also, when you use any company, you have absolutely no control over whether your order is taken by the best and most experienced of several hundred (or more) writers or by the worst and least experienced writer who just started doing this last week and who may get fired next week for not meeting the company's minimum quality standards. Contrary to what many customers imagine, most companies don't "assign" work to their writers, either; it's always up to writers to choose whatever available projects they want. You may get their best writer one time and their worst writer the next time. You can request your preferred writer, but we have absolutely no obligation to accept any specific request and we frequently decline them. Once you find a freelancer whose work you like, you know the quality of work you're getting on every assignment. I cannot afford to compete with commercial company prices for longer deadlines because I'm usually fully booked up with work at a higher rate than that and I'd be losing money turning away any work at my usual rate if I tried to compete with commercial prices for longer deadlines. It's always a gamble and many customers prefer paying what amounts to a company "rush" rate for the peace of mind that comes from knowing exactly who will be doing their assignments every time.

That is terribly misleading. Many companies offer the option to request a particular writer. If, for whatever reason, that writer is ultimately not available, the customer can choose to accept a different writer or receive a refund.

There's absolutely nothing "misleading" about that at all. As you know, orders simply go up on a board that lists all of the available orders that have not requested a specific writer. Any of those orders can get taken by the best writer or by the worst writer on a first-come/first-served basis.


I'm aware of that. As you probably know, I've been one of the most requested writers at some of the best companies in this business for a long time. In any case, how is what you just typed any different from this?


Furthermore, unless the customer expressly says something like "I want ONLY FreelanceWriter and no other writer," there is absolutely NO "approval" process whatsoever after the requested writer declines that order. Once we click it off our screen, ANY other writer can take it and that's what happens. Even if we don't click it off our screen, it's only reserved for us for a maximum of 3 hours and then it automatically becomes publicly available to all writers. In fact, I've tried (unsuccessfully) to ask some companies to make that period of exclusivity longer than 3 hours so we don't miss requests when we're sleeping or out.

I have no desire to have a war with with you over this or anything else but what you just typed is totally inaccurate and there are at least half a dozen other writers here who work for the same companies as I do who can confirm that everything I've said here is 100% accurate and not the least bit "misleading." Since we actually work for those companies and you don't, we'd probably know a little bit better than you would exactly how it does and doesn't work at any company we write for, wouldn't we?

As always FreelanceREwriter have no clue what he talk about. Get ***** slap every day. He should go back to feeder bottom leech job.

As impossible as that seems, your English is actually getting worse. That's now 943 failed attempts at writing even ONE grammatically correct sentence in English. Just 57 more until you hit 0 for 1,000 tries. I'm sure you'll make it with ease.

You should pray I dont post coz everybody know that you cant count more then 1000. You have no credibility in this business.

PS. Now even your boss can tell you are sneaky leech that care about nothing but you. You steal business from all employers that hire you. And you screw up still coz you cant produce any relevant paper. You better stop brag about any association with company coz you ruin their reputation.

That's now 945 failed attempts to write ONE sentence in actual English in SEVEN YEARS of trying.

You better calm down there, Dummy. At this rate, if your English gets any worse you'll be speaking something closer to Klingon than English.

Everybody know you steal clients from employers. Nobody buying your BS about competition with employer. You have chance to steal client - you do it. No intelligent company owner want to have anything to do with you.

946

Thats how much clients you steal so far. And 90% still fail to get well research paper.

947

I notice that your posts are getting shorter and shorter. Is that your attempt to increase your chance of writing ONE sentence in correct English?

C'mon, Dummy: I challenge you to try writing just ONE forum post without massacring the English language.

Maybe 948 will be your lucky number.

For the record, you know nothing about my clients and you (have previously admitted that you) have never seen a single thing I've ever written besides my forum posts. You have no way of knowing how well I research anything and at least people know that I can write in English. The fact that you can't write in English doesn't somehow establish that you can "research" anything better than anybody who can.

Just ONE forum post?

Congratulations. It took you only 948 attempts and 7 years to compose ONE "sentence" (giving you the maximum benefit of doubt about what constitues a sentence) in English. Now, you can work your way up and see if you can do it for more than 4 words.

Whatever.

Cut the crap and admit you steal client on every chance. And your fail ratio is 9:1.

I will quote you again:


That is flat out false, and here is my original response:


So, a customer is never "stuck" with an unknown writer if he/she wishes to make the order available to one writer and one writer only.


How did that stance work out for Rusty?

You blew it. Your "streak" of non-English-massacring "sentences" lasted exactly 2 posts and totalled 5 words and then you went right back to speaking Klingon.

You know absolutely nothing about my writing or my research skills and you know nothing about my clients or my practices. You do nothing here but spew nonsense and totally fabricated lies about every company and every person who actually does this for a living fairly successfully. You should probably spend more time improving your English and your own business and just stop embarrassing yourself to anybody with an IQ above 80 who reads this stuff.


I have no idea what this is even supposed to mean. As I said, I have no quarrel with you. I don't quote your posts or ever look for any arguments with you and I generally ignore your posts when you start your totally unprovoked fights with others that you choose to turn into all-out wars over absolutely nothing, as you did most recently with ProfessorVerb. He happens to be another of the top writers at the companies you know to be the best in this industry and all he did was make an innocent and very good-natured joke that you chose to take personally and start a war over with him and actually threaten to try to get him fired over. Of course, that kind of thing could never happen unless you had some interest in or control over the companies that you say you don't even work for. I generally avoid interacting with you here because you seem to know my employers somehow, but when you quote me and characterize something I wrote as "terribly misleading" when it's 100% accurate, I'll respond appropriately.

My only "stance" is as follows:

1. I work for many essay companies and you've reassured everybody here hundreds of times that you don't work for or have any interest in any of them. I, for one, believe you 100%. Since you don't work for any of the companies whose order boards have been on my computer screens 24/7/365 since 2003, I probably know a little better than you do how it works when we writers take orders at the companies where we work.

2. Unless a customer requests a specific writer, ANY writer can take ANY order.

3. Even if a customer does request a specific writer, that writer has no obligation to take it.

4. If the requested writer doesn't take the request, the order automatically becomes publicly available to ANY other writer just like any other order that never requested a specific writer. It happens all the time and I've had hundreds of orders like that, as has every other writer here who works for the same companies.

5.There is no "approval" process of any kind where the customer is asked to "approve" another writer except where:

6. The only time that the customer can "control" what writer takes an order is when the customer expressly types something along the lines of "If my writer isn't available I want a refund because I don't want any other writer." This probably happens about 1 out of every 25 requests; 24/25 times, they don't do that and the order just gets completed by whichever writer grabs it if the requested writer doesn't take it.

If I got anything about that "wrong," I'm sure ProfessorVerb, or JohnsMom, or ResearchPro, or Pheelyks will correct me and support your position because all of them work for the same companies that I do. But everything I've typed is 100% accurate no matter how much you try to twist it or selectively quote words to "prove" that you're right. The fact of the matter is that customers of all the essay companies that I know have no control over which writers take their orders except in the very few circumstances where they explicitly request it as I've described. Even when they "request" a specific writer, there's a good chance that another writer will take it for exactly the reasons I've described.

For the record, ProfessorVerb posted several completely unprovoked, smartass remarks about me (which I ignored) PRIOR to posting the "innocent" joke, so get your facts straight before making MORE unfounded, misleading statements.


You'd know a whole lot about that kind of thing, wouldn't you? For quite some time, I've been aware of the boatload of complete bulls-i* that you've communicated to others behind closed doors concerning my supposed name, "wife," address, and business ventures. Care to explain that?


You're smart enough to know what an "absolute" is, right? Read your statement (namely, "you have absolutely no control") and tell me again that it is not misleading, especially in light of the follow-up information that I posted about refunds/writer choice/alternate writers.


As I already explained, if the customer communicates that the order is strictly for a particular writer and may not be given to an alternative writer, the customer will receive a refund if the requested writer is not available for whatever reason. The orders that you have seen go "public" are certainly orders in which the customer did NOT specifically forbid the order being accepted by an alternate writer. You are making it seem as though it's a total crapshoot or "gamble." In fact, you specifically stated that it's a "gamble." No, it's not. How is receiving the requested writer or a refund a "gamble"?


Thanks. See my comment above regarding "absolutes."


I didn't have to prove that I'm right. You did.

Yes, absolutely. I can explain that. You're obviously out of your mind. I don't discuss you with anybody and to my knowledge you're a female without a "wife," although I suppose that's now possible in about a half a dozen states even if you're female. I have absolutely no idea what your "name" is and have never even give a second's thought to what it might be or to who you are or to what kinds of "business ventures" you operate, much less what your "address" is and I've never had a single conversation with anybody like that about you. Someone has obviously been feeding you some absolute nonsense that you've obviously bought hook, line, and sinker. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're clinically insane if you believe that I've had any of those kinds of conversations about you with anybody and I have no idea what "doors" you could even possibly be talking about.

You made an absolute fool out of yourself back in 2008 over an innocent comment that I made pointing out your total misuse of the words "amount" and "number" in a thread where you were criticizing someone else's grammar and you did the exact same thing to me back then that you did to PV much more recently: you started threatening to get me fired from my job. You must know someone at the companies I write for somehow, because one of the owners actually emailed me back then thanking me for supporting their company here but asking me not to fight with you because you've also been supportive of them. Since October 2008, I have honored that request and I have done my best to just ignore you because I know you're extremely volatile and vindictive and petty and because my employers asked me not to fight with you, and I haven't. You chose to quote and completely mischaracterize a statment I made here today and I responded appropriately to that nonsense. You emailed me a few years ago asking for RustyIronChains' email because I'd mentioned here that he'd emailed me and I asked you for your help last year over getting paid by a company whose owner you seemed to know and I forwarded all our emails to you to back up what I was posting hoping you might return the favor and help me get paid. That sums up the entirety of my thoughts about you and if you think I've ever even thought about what your address is or anything like that, you're insane and/or being fed some real garbage by someone else who's playing you for a fool.

Good job in completely avoiding the fact that not only did I prove you wrong, but you proved yourself wrong by admitting that a customer CAN dictate-in advance-that a refund must be provided if the requested writer is not available.


Wow, for someone who claims to not give me a second thought, you sure do have an excellent recollection of unsubstantiated, unquoted (of course) dialogue that took place 5 years ago.


Dumb move.


"Ignore" me? What a bunch of pompous bulls-i*. I haven't typed an ill word about you. In fact, I've had your back COUNTLESS times. But don't you worry, because those days are gone. I hate self-serving, backstabbing turncoats, so any time that ANYONE in this forum calls you out in any way, shape, or form, I'll be chiming in with my take.

What a supreme bastion of moral and intellectual integrity you are. You don't decide whom to attack or defend based on the merits or anything objective about people or the quality of their work. You decide what to say publicly about someone based on your personal feelings that get hurt in the petty fights that you start. You've stated (truthfully) many times that I'm one of the most experienced and legitimate writers on this forum. Now, because I responded appropriately to this stupid fight that you picked with me, you're going to just reverse your position on me and start chiming in to agree with "ANYONE" here who attacks me, including all the lying dirtbags you've called lying dirtbags for years. You're a real model of integrity for having my back "countless times" and now deciding to reverse your entire position because of this stupid fight that you picked in the first place.

Why don't you scroll up and see how all this nonsense started? I gave a totally accurate insider's account of how much control customers have over which writers write their papers and then responded appropriately when you characterized that as "terribly misleading." I didn't say anything remotely personal about you before you started with the veiled threats in your reference to something that happened to "Rusty."

The fact of the matter is that when customers place orders at essay companies, those orders can get taken by any writer, including the worst writer in the entire stable. When they "request" a specific writer, the order can still get taken by any writer if the requested writer declines it. That covers about 99% of all essay company orders. You implied that all specific requests require some kind of "approval" from the customer before any other writer writes it, and you know that's absolute BS. It's only the very rare exception that a customer actually spells out that they don't want any other writer that the company has to get "approval." Otherwise, you know as well as I do that it's totally automated and the customer is never consulted about "approving" an alternate writer. Nobody here believes your claims about having "proven" anything, any more than anybody believed your silly rationalizations here about word usage and yes, it's hard to get much more petty and vindictive than this:

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/academic-help-verification-656/

And you did the exact same thing to ProfessorVerb a few weeks ago even though you know that he's also one of the top writers at one of the companies you've regularly defended. So yes, you're about as petty and vindictive as anybody who's ever been a member here, routinely threatening to destroy the livelihoods of the same writers you know are considered the best writers at the very companies you've defended countless times just because you got your panties all bunched up in fights over GRAMMAR and whatnot or over their JOKES that you started in the first place. If I'd have been looking for a fight with you, I'd have chimed in when you attacked PV over an innocent joke he made the same way you started vowing to destroy me in 2008 because I dared point out that it's "number of mistakes" and not "amount of mistakes"in a post where you were criticizing someone else's grammar, speaking of being "pompous."

Both you and ProfessorVerb started s-i* with me, not the other way around.


Get your facts straight, pal. The proof is in the pudding. Look at the chain of events. You started the "fight." You got butt-hurt because I pointed out the MISLEADING nature of your use of absolutes. YOU created the animosity with this paragraph:


You started it, and you continued with increasingly sharper insults and personal attacks. Now, you're playing the victim and lying through your teeth about me having started it.


Threat? Give me a break. Like everything else that you've assumed and imaged, it's all in your head. What happened to Rusty is that he claimed that I lack "inside" knowledge of companies' internal operations (since I'm not a "writer"), and I proceeded to post screen captures of my writer admin accounts, thereby proving him clueless. Just because I don't write for companies doesn't mean that I don't study them.


You don't think I see what you're doing here? "Can" is quite a departure from "absolutely can't," isn't it? Why don't you just admit that you were wrong in your initial claim and got all butt-hurt about my COMPLETELY INNOCENT clarification? NEWSFLASH: You already admitted that were wrong by acknowledging that customers can request a refund-in advance-if the requested writer is not available. So, as you've highlighted yourself, your "customers have absolutely no control" claim holds no water.


Never happened. I implied no such thing.


LMAO! Look at all of the grammatical errors that you made it thread. You probably shouldn't have referenced it.

Don't worry, I'm sure that you'll have plenty of opportunities to defend yourself when I call out each and every one of your mistakes from this day forward.


All you do here is post self-serving comments strictly to direct people to essaychat or your own site for personal gain. Dude, we get it-you write papers. I've looked the other way every time you've done so. No more.

Botom line: you've treated me like an enemy, so now I'm going to return the favor.

Why would you guys be arguing? You are both talking about the same thing, just writing it differently. You are both right(concerning the topic, personal matter if there is one is beyond my understanding). If I am a NEW client and I know NOTHING about the "top writers" in the company, placing an order is a gamble.

FreelanceREwriter think he tough guy. But he is snitch. My proposal:

1. Cut him from orders.
2. Disable his signature.

After couple month he get back to leech job in postal service. Just like peddler is back the janitor in local theatre.


The snitch realize now his day is counted. Any ocasion he has he try to advertize himself till he still can. Even if he gets called liar and snitch he post BS about his no-research-skill service. Pathetic is that.

Hello!

i am also a freelance writer. i do academic writing for students of colleges and universities. i personally feel that freelance writers provides a better choice as they can provide you with better customized writing and are also less costly. you can discuss your preferences with them and they can directly help you with your task!

Ayesha atif, qualified freelancers are not cheaper than legit companies.

You do now?

So you've made a lame wordpress site with some pearls like "Certificate of keen learner." ( by the way who issues these "certificates", lol) and you call yourself a freelance writer? Please get lost, you give us legit writers a bad name.

Where can I get one?

So how do I look for an individual writer? How do I know if I can trust that person? What is the safest way to make a payment, avoiding scammers?

Many freelance writers advertise on essaychat.com.


You can't. Start small and establish trust if you aren't sure.

[quote-sunnycali]What is the safest way to make a payment, avoiding scammers?[/quote]

I'd recommend using a verified PayPal account.


I stopped putting my username on my papers long ago after I found out I could. This gives me more control over my schedule since I feel obligated to take orders that request me specifically and I may not have the time (or the inclination) to do them.

Sometimes, I'll use the message system to thank them for requesting me and tell them politely that I won't be taking the new order, but that's about it. In my opinion, you're not the least bit obligated to take every order that requests you; but if you feel that you are, that's actually a reason not to leave your ID off the cover page altogether. If you think about it, customers who want you again have even less chance of getting you by that all-or-none approach if you don't let them know that you wrote any of their papers in the first place. If they know your ID, at least they can ask, which greatly increases their chances of getting you again (even if you decline those requests you don't want). From their perspective, that's probably better than to place subsequent orders with no idea which writer's work they liked enough to try to request the same writer again.

please, stop your endless circlejerk, no one believes it anyway. No one requests you IRL. You haunt this forum like two old ghouls because you have no orders. Besides this forum is a joke anyway and students should read this if they want to know the truth about what is going on in here.

Exhibit A:


Exhibit B:

with so many battles going on at once, I can forgive you for missing this.

I didn't miss anything. And, for the record, I'm the egg, you're the chicken, and I came first. Next time, try posting in the correct thread, as well.

hi guys, I'm need your help. Does anybody know good service for writing term paper?

It depends with the level of competency. A freelancer writer may be better compared to essay company writers and vice versa.

In my opinion, freelance writers have their benefits in terms of dealing with clients directly. However, having a client deal with a writing company has more benefits. I indicated that writing companies offer more benefits to the clients because the company has a pool of in-house writers whose field of expertise are so varied, the client doesn't have to shop from individual writer to individual writer looking for one that can handle the demands of his paper. The company surely has a writer who can write a paper for the client and there is no need to shop it around. The company will shop it around for the client by simply placing the order among the active orders list on their server. Individual writers do not have this option so giving your work to an independent writer does come with certain risks. Writing companies also come with risks but then again, the issues are easier to resolve because all the payments can be charged back and sloppy work can be reassigned to better writers. So I think that writing companies are better to a certain extent for the client.

One difference between freelance writers and companies not well accounted for in the analysis above is that, unlike companies, the ordering process with freelance writers isn't automatic. Conscientious freelance writers don't accept projects that they can't complete at a high level in the first place, so the client knows that's the case as soon as the writer declines the project or refers it to another provider. At most writing companies, the order goes up automatically on the assignment board with no human input. Some of those orders get taken by writers quickly, whereas others may not; some of the more difficult projects may linger long enough that their requested due dates come and go without the order ever having been taken by any writer. The only thing that happens to those orders is that the due date changes to another color to indicate that it's already overdue. The client only gets notified after the fact that the order was never actually completed and receives a refund. Conversely, when customers place orders with freelance writers directly, they know the project is scheduled and will be written as soon as it's paid.

The suggestion that "sloppy" work from bad writing-company writers that needs to be fixed by their "better" writers doesn't apply either, if the freelance writer with whom you're dealing happens to have been one of the very best writers at the best essay company, according to the essay company itself. If you're dealing with one of the top freelance writers, the writer isn't going to bail on the project or produce "sloppy" work that needs to fixed by someone "better"; and once you pay for the order, you know it's been scheduled for completion and delivery by your due date. At essay companies, a writer still has to choose to accept that order, and it could be taken by one of the "better" writers or by one of the "sloppy" writers whose work will have to be fixed later by a better writer.

[Note: The analysis presented above presumes that the client is dealing with legitimate experienced professional freelance writers and legitimate essay companies; it does not apply to any situation in which you don't yet know whether you're dealing with legit providers in the first place.]

When I was freelance writing, I will admit that there were benefits to having direct contact with the clients. As my client base began growing though, it became important for me to set up my company in order to keep up with the incoming orders. I designed my company to run the way that I believed would be beneficial to both the client and the writer. As much as possible, I stay out of the communications between them and only step in when there is a proven problem with the quality of the paper.

Being a proper writing service, the writers find that it is better for them to be tied to my company since it takes the guesswork out of dealing with the clients and collecting payments. The clients also find it better to have a middleman to turn to should any problems arise during the transaction. These are the basic reasons why certain types of students opine that it is better to work with essay companies rather than individual writers. I try not to have an opinion regarding this since I came from the freelancing writing world but now exist within the reality of owning an essay company. I can't pick just one since I understand the benefits of both set-ups.