Why are all kinds of writing services being allowed to advertise here?

I'd really like to know.

See their spammed links at the bottom of devonshirehouse.co.za/pages/facilities.htm

Gee, how shocking . . . it's the same, dirty Ukrainians who have been soiling the industry and engaging in illegal activities for years.

This is NOT "off topic," mod. It's a question about an "essay service" listed at the top of every page of your site.

Why are you allowing a FRAUDULENT, HACKING, ILLEGAL, UKRAINIAN company to advertise on your site?

Don't Google or Bing etc. do the same?

Google Adwords banned essay sites long ago, but some are squeaking through by posing as "editing" sites. I don't know the latest on Bing. Regardless, neither of those entities were designed with the specific goal of exposing fraudulent essay sites.

If the owners of this site are willing to sell their integrity for a few bucks a month, why not announce that as part of an open, public policy? Of course, I will be quite disappointed if that's the case. I've come to expect better of the owners. For now, I'm going to assume that it was an oversight.

Critical Spoof fines its writers. Many of the advertisements go back to Academia-research.com, which scams writers, as well. "Green Essay" looks fishy, because their online reps claim that the company is in NY, but don't seem to know anything about NY, and type in broken English. Essay Writing Service UK promises students grades, which not only is a huge industry no-no with a side of legal hazard, but also guarantees that writers are going to be fined and overworked just because some professor is having a bad day, or has seen it fit to punish an obvious fraud with a bad grade. Also, we have hacks like FW buying ads and then chatting up confused students who thought they were going to an anti-scam site.

It takes like five seconds of digging to find any of this stuff out, but ES can't get it together-- some of these ads are still up! I understand that you have to keep a site going, but try doing some research, and once someone catches you out, don't just go back and look like fools again. Change. Because the way it is now, this anti-scam site continues to have ads for scams. It's embarrassing, it's unprofessional, and it degrades the content and purpose of the site.

It's sort of funny to realize some of the discussions here are like politics. If someone has an interest in a particular service or action and this interest or action is restricted then it is a violation of the Lanham Act. If the same happens to other parties, it would suddenly be professional and the right thing to do. Sigh :).

My point about Google and Bing was that they don't check if a service is legitimate or not (even if they wanted to, how would they do it?) and allow to advertise their services. IF not, they would receive a letter from the FCC or other governmental agencies.

To the idiot posting above major: I don't "chat up" anybody here, much less "confused students." I contribute to conversations on this forum genuinely and, unlike you, I manage to do it while writing well, providing logic than is actually logical, and without dopey ideas, constant self-contradiction, hypocrisy, and (your) attempts to impress others by referencing nonsense like how big your house is or how much you "don't" need to work in this business anymore. I respond substantively to topics initiated by others regardless of whether they're customers or fellow writers or company reps; and, unlike you, I just discuss the issues.

Also unlike you and that other barely-English-speaking fool who stalks my posts and takes shots at me in threads where I haven't even posted, I don't stalk and attack other writers here as a desperate way of trying to compete against them. I maintain a perfectly professional and respectful relationships with all other legitimate writers here and at least 4 other well-known writers and company reps and insiders have repeatedly supported me over the years (since 2008) and only referred to my work as "excellent," most recently, ProfessorVerb, a few days ago. Same goes for every single one of my clients who responded to that thread asking for reviews about me. This forum happens to allow signature posts with website links and it also offers advertisement space that anybody can purchase, which I have done twice, for 1 week each time, and clearly identifying exactly who I am in those ads. If you're having that much trouble competing against me that you need to continually stoop to this level, you should probably be a little more focused on your own work and skills and a lot less on me.

If I'm understanding you correctly, you're comparing apples to oranges. There's quite a big difference between a legit company advertising itself here and a legit company willfully and hypocritically advertising a well-known, fraudulent company from Ukraine simply because a few dollars changed hands.


On a weekly basis, they have MILLIONS of sites to review in hundreds of different industries. They aren't selling ad space on an "anti-scam" site, either.

The owners of this site have--at most--three sites to review at any given time, all from the same industry.

I'm sorry, FW, apparently you took my complaint as both an example of me "stalking your posts" and yet another excuse to toot your own horn. No one can do anything about the latter, but as for the former, did you notice that I posted here first?

My post was aimed at the people who run the site and allow such egregious examples as mentioned above to happen. Is there any way they can address it, or try to explain why they've made the place sort of a mockery of itself, or how they're going to fix it?

Obviously, they're reading this thread. Can one of them make an SN and maybe shed some light on some of this? Or would that be too difficult?

I was obviously referring exclusively to this, you idiot:


You accuse me of being a "hack" despite never having seen anything I've ever written other than forum posts. Your non-stop, totally unprovoked animosity toward me started immediately after someone once created a thread asking about the dumbest essays we've ever been asked to write. I'd responded that it was probably an essay asking me to argue that the drinking age should be lowered. You then proceeded to embarrass yourself arguing that the drinking age should be lowered because driving drunk is a "skill" best-learned early and that anybody opposed to that must just be "jealous" because he lacks that "skill." Prior to that, you and I had co-existed here peacefully; since then, you've jumped on any conceivable opportunity to attack me and when an opportunity doesn't exist already, you just throw in a nasty reference to malign me, unprovoked, in threads (like this one) where I haven't even posted and that had absolutely nothing to do with me until you decided to take another shot at me.

It's unfortunate that I used you as an example and summoned your broken-record-sounding self. Do you want to say something new or interesting about how much your ad cost? How well did it work? Maybe you would like to defend how you should be able to promote your services on a site that's supposed to be informational, not commercial. Anything but the same old victim crap, please.

Essay Writing Service UK, currently up there, promises their clients A papers. I'm sorry; is UK law different? And wouldn't it be called "1:1" or something, if it were really marketed to UK students?

Indeed, the site is blatantly illegal. Not only does it offer to transfer copyright of academic works, but it guarantees whatever grade that the customer chooses in the order form. There is absolutely no justification to knowingly enable fraud and illegal activity.

essaywritingserviceuk.co.uk[DND*]/essay-writing-service-u k-guarantees/

"Guaranteed to be the Grade You Order or Your Money Back"

(Of course, the site is also in the "DND List.")

You seem to always have 'answers' to any question; is your psychotic idiocy failing you here?

academic-paper.co.uk is the site's newest advertiser-- the English on their web copy is pretty bad, and their customer service interface is the exact same one essaywriters.net [DND*] et al. uses. I'm sure their money is green, though, right?

I haven't been able to chat with a representative, though I've been checking on and off for three days now... they're always offline. It could be a coincidence.

It's an imbecilic, off topic thread.


Read capitalism 101.
The days when your opinions mattered are long gone. It's nice seeing how much clout you've lost. i feel almost poetical: That your current irrelevant status makes this forum remind me of the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome.

brainypapers.com = academia-research.com

I encourage you, if you don't believe me, to go ahead and have a chat with them on their support chat, and try to pin down where exactly their US office is. It's fun. I'd love to post my own transcript, but I think I made them a little angry, and they suddenly cut all communications before I could save a copy.

Or, I guess you could call them? Here's the number posted on their site: +1-000-000-0000

Way to go, anti-scam crusaders of essayscam.org... your pockets are lined with more money from these desperate, bumbling thieves.

FFS, how hard is it to vet your ads!?

Editor75, RustyIronChain, tell me something. What is it that you're doing on this forum? Do you really have any positive contribution to make here?

I don't really think so. All you have to do is just rock the boat. This is absolutely not going to help you build a reputation you're so desperately trying to 'in vain'.

Do you think the visitors to this forum (and elsewhere) are just plain fools that they'd not see why you do what you do? You're wrong. Today, an average Internet user is much more sensible than you might think.

I would suggest you be genteel and professional in your conduct. And STOP being party with Queer Shepa. That person is going to add to your non-sense reputation the same way as s/he does to self.

PS: I will not respond to your gibberish that you are most probably going to post in response to this post of mine. Reason: I ain't got no time to waste. I got work to do.

What I'm doing, MeowCon, is pointing at one of the banner ads up there and crying foul. I know you can't write in English, but I had thought you could at least read.

As for "not rocking the boat" on an anti-scam forum, haha, okay, great advice.

No one put you in charge anyway, so if you haven't done any digging into the issues at play in this thread yourself, kindly take your smarm elsewhere, perhaps Berlitz.

Nice preemptive bow-out, by the way, you cop-out little boot-licking wuss. Hit and run, right?

Now I suggest you keep your promise and stay out, if you want anyone to believe your lie that you're a "working writer" (I did 12 pages so far today, and still have time to casually destroy you as a postprandial).

Everyone deserves a second chance: if not, most big corporations (that have been proven to scam their customers one way or another) would be banned from advertising..


It's closer to: how to improve your services forum ;).

I remember giving academia-research.com a second chance the first time they stole from my account. What a mistake!

... and the owners remove yet another ad I lambast. Hey, this is the last freebie. Next time, you owe me whatever they paid you.


For leeches, yes it is. Everyone gets to take advantage, because apparently, the owners are either ******* morons, or as totally corrupt as anyone else in this cesspit.

Fast-essay.com is the latest advertiser-- it's like pulling teeth trying to get them to give out their location through on-site chat. Until...

"we are in the u.s

admin says: 15:00:28

in Carlifonia

1200 says: 15:00:48

me too, I am in LA.

... (time passes, strike 1 and strike 2 occur, still no address)

admin says: 15:07:53

We have writers in different states and this is just our head office where we receive the orders. You could bring the book to us but the writer handling your job is in another state

1200 says: 15:08:30

Well I would feel more comfortable bringing you the books.

1200 says: 15:08:35

I do not know how to scan them.

1200 says: 15:08:43

where is your office?

1200 says: 15:12:05

hello?

admin says: 15:13:27

you know the kind of business we do does not allow us to meet with our clients.

admin says: 15:13:40

or disclose such information

admin says: 15:13:59

you could be the police or something

1200 says: 15:14:21

oh, is what you do illegal?

1200 says: 15:14:28

I thought you sold model academic writing.

1200 says: 15:14:48

I have used services before on the East Coast that were happy to give me their address.

1200 says: 15:14:55

and directions to get there!

admin says: 15:15:06

if we could get the books online, coursemat or amazon, or scan some parts and send it to us, together with the other 6 sources. we will be happy to do it for you

1200 says: 15:15:17

Did you see what I just typed there?

1200 says: 15:15:29

I told you I can't scan them.

1200 says: 15:15:43

hey, I have a question for you.

1200 says: 15:15:52

and I'll thank you to answer quickly, no Googling.

1200 says: 15:15:57

what's the capital of California?"

I'm still waiting on the answer to that one, but I think it's strike three (four?). Someone had better either prove me wrong, or chalk up another error for the greedy site owners.

Time's up!

"Fast Essay," moving fast and loose with the law... and now with its scumbag FOB-sounding company rep responding in all new threads but this one... LA to Sacramento to (Kiev? The Philippines?) at the speed of idiocy! Where do you find these clowns, mod? How much do they pay you, and why can't you vet them right?

First of all. I don't understand why you have to omit some of your words in the conversation when posting the entire conversation here. Second how do you expect us to serve you after calling our representative an A**H*** ? It was clear from the start that your intention was to tarnish our reputation in this forum. Lastly we have both ENL and ESL writers and I assure you that all our ESL writers have better content and grammar compared to your emptiness. If you cant afford to advertise yourself, please stop the gibberish and Get a life!!!

fast-essay.com = dishonest, ESL garbage from Kenya

Domain: fast-essay.com
Name: OCHIENG RODGERS
Organization: FAST ESSAY
Street: 254
City: OYUGISS
State/Province: HOMA BAY
Postal Code: 00100
Country: KE
Phone: +254.0727639468
Email: OCHIOKEYROD@GMAIL.COM

Wow. How's the surfing at Homa Bay?

Btw, you are an asshole. And it was the last thing I called you before the above coup. Clean the flies off of your face and you'll see more clearly... and spell California right next time! You're about to lose your advertising.

And just for the record, the capital is, of course, Utah.

Check out how the joke (Hassan Almahdi) from fast-essay.com hires his "professional" writers: wanasoko.com%2Flisting%2F93449

Thanks to Google for auto-translating the Swahili gibberish.

Just reading through some older posts: Are you serious? I find it hard to believe that anybody would believe that this site has the intended purpose of being informational. Maybe partially so and stated as such, but it is clearly commercial in every sense of the word. It is also a place for self-promotion. I don't get why you and a few others are always criticizing others for self-promotion and money-grabbing? I think the real question, as I just mentioned elsewhere, is why are there just a few forum members like yourself who constantly post invectives on nearly every thread? It's like you guys are gate keepers to something?

You guys have nearly 1,000 posts or more! That's a hell of a lot of time to be writing rants for the sake of being informational, which would make you all saints of the ghostwriting world. Ha!

Clearly, there must be an incentive. The criticisms and ad homonym attacks launched by those few members, in addition to the ESL scammers, are the only bits of dishonesty I see flying around here.

Anybody who is posting here that is not a 'student' is engaging in self-promotion in a commercial capacity. To state otherwise and to criticize others for doing so is either dishonest or just plain dumb. This is especially true for the most prolific members here.

My account goes to a dead-end email that I've never opened. "Editor75" is not my writer name anywhere. I don't know if you're paranoid, or lining up for the bandwagon, or what, but please leave me out of it.

Yeah, not so fast. I don't think that you get to make some the statements that you have and then side-step the issue. If what you say is true, then you have to spend a lot of time coming here to check up on the latest posts just so you can what? Catch up on the latest nonsensical arguments? You have some sort of perpetual curiosity about the workings of EssayScam.org? Come on; 1,466 posts? Really? If I end up being here for that long, my wife has direct orders to kill me in my sleep.

I only get paranoid when I smoke pot. And I haven't smoked pot while posting on EssayScam.org.

So to get this straight: The most prolific posters here are 1) just here out of curiosity (with dead-end e-mail accounts) and 2) here to educate students about scammers. I don't buy it for a second. And I find it odd that when someone starts sniffing around at the handful of prolific forum members, they all clam up and don't want to play anymore. Queen Sheba was all ready to give me a smack down and backed down upon telling her I have nothing to lose. You've had absolutely no problem riding a number of folks here. That and more smacks of collusion.

So what is it? Do you get a cut of the profits from the site by stimulating traffic? Again, there must be incentive for so much effort (1,466 posts).

Speaking of sidestepping the issue, I can only assume that you're here to sell yourself. My advice is to get an ad. They sell ads, you know?

I'm so sick of repeating my boring history, so I am skipping parts. I joined the site forever ago to flame WB and get leads on companies. I also defended one of the companies I worked for against accusations that they were a scam, since I knew they weren't really scamming customers. Then, it turned out that they were scamming writers, so I posted about it here.

I leave WB alone now. Whoever they are, they were right about that company. That company is run by thieving scumbags, so one of the reasons I'm here is to shout about that. I also know who is legit, but I keep that to myself. This is a forum called "essay scam." It's not "essay w*0re," that's over in "essay chat," where they will let you sell yourself freely. If you do it here, you're going to get banned, and have to come back under a different SN. No, WB, that was not about you.

In short, I work in the industry, and I post about the good and bad companies I work for. You are a newbie who needs a better hobby. Stop stinking up this thread where I'm trying to get a fraudulent ad removed, and show me something other than twee, glib disrespect, and I'll think you're something other than another punk here for the easy meat.

And I am here to meet women.

Yes, it always comes down to name calling and insults.

I can't possibly read through all 1,467 of your posts just to figure out your history. When you spend most of that history attacking others who are clearly not scammers, then what do you expect? It is really difficult to read through all of the invective to find a few nuggets.

And yes, I am a newbie, but I am not a new to writing. And there you go again accusing others of self-promotion and more verbiage about what the Terms of this forum. I have read the terms and abide by them. No violations here, however, self-promotion begins the moment you type that first letter. I am here doing homework.

Defending companies you work for is self-promotion. If you were successful, then you have financially benefited from your activities here and violated the terms of EssayScam.

And I'll just out and say it here - I don't want to work with the kind of client who falls prey to likes of the obvious scammers found here or elsewhere. Buyer beware and no easy meat for me.

You said, "I also know who is legit, but I keep that to myself." You're concerned about who isn't legit, but you won't say who is? How do we know that you're not working some scam? Let me guess, I need to read through all your posts to find out?

You also said, "Stop stinking up this thread where I'm trying to get a fraudulent ad removed..." So does that mean you are working with W2B or you guys are one in the same? Didn't W2B start the thread? Why did you feel the need to chime in if you leaving W2B alone?

So what now? More name-calling? Insults?

Again, what you have said doesn't add up. More often than not you are attacking others here without any provocation. I just saw you do it recently to a student posting her opinion.

So if you are posting senseless attacks, then how do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

And, you post a lot. A lot, a lot, and together with the same handful of forum members. You may have started out here fighting scammers, but it has devolved into a whole lot of vicious attacking.

Bottom Line: It just doesn't make sense for you to be doing all of that nasty footwork if you already have plenty of work for your supposed legit companies. So, tell us why you are really here. What incentive do you have for attacking non-scammers? Why do you attack freelancers?

Oh yes, more name calling and a scolding, which is then accompanied by a statement that you don't care what I have to say. But whatever you say, there sure are a lot of questions about your motives.

This is the crux, because you claim to have read and understood the TOS. I understand many of your other points.

I did come here initially to defend a certain company, but the reason for my longevity here is that they turned on me, and I cried foul here. I am about as likely to a board a jet for Kiev as I ever was. Maybe some customers or writers saw what I wrote and put on the brakes. That's what this place is supposed to be for, despite the current popularity of various smarmy peddlers and loophole-seeking ambulance-chasers, who love nothing more than to expound on how punctilious they are when it comes to the TOS. Not to mention the fact that the mods take ad money from whomever, which provides a really great example, and brings this thread maybe a little more on-topic.

Any word on what Fast-Essay is still doing up there? They just lied to me about their location and tried to bully me by mentioning the police. Hello?

I don't really think that is the crux; rather I believe that the unanswered questions about frequent postings and malicious attacks are the crux.

You're initial reasons for coming here seem to have evolved into something else entirely. As newbie, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the most prolific forum members: You all claim to be doing the world a great service by pointing out scams while slamming anybody who happens to wonder in on the conversation. The conversation has gone beyond entertainment and humor and straight into what looks like insanity. Reading some of what you have you guys have posted feels like something out of the Heart of Darkness.

As for TOS, these terms are open to interpretation and don't really mean much in the face of reality. The fact is that there is not any social media that actually conforms to its intended design or changeable terms.

Why the questions? Why can you not just let us fight in peace??

I am sincerely curious why these saints of EssayScam claim to be saving students from the evil scammers, when clearly they are not. And I figure that while I am here I may as well learn something. I'm certainly not going to make any money doing this, so you can rest assured that I'll soon leave you guys to your peaceful fighting.

Graphophobius, I'd appreciate it if you would stop painting with such a wide brush. Thanks.

Sure, I won't give you a hard time. But you must admit that the constant arguing, name-calling, and general vitriol have seriously undermined anything you say? Even if you were going for some level of humor it seems that the goal has passed quite some time ago.

Can't you see how it looks suspicious to outsiders that someone like yourself puts in so much negative energy at EssayScam and never truly admits why they are here? I find it hard to believe that there is no incentive for all of the time you have spent here. Take for example your on-going feud with queen sheba. She/he is just a screen name, really. The name-calling has no effect other than being overly negative because nobody knows who either of you are. And the argument(s) also seem to have become moot long ago.

So why the persistent vitriol and whats in it for you? I see that several other posters have asked you the same sort of questions, but you always maneuver away.

Is it because one of the unwritten terms of this site is that we can't let the conversation get too real? The Disclaimer, Terms, and Privacy statements and the front page do give some explanation to the kind of negativity that you and the others continually promulgate. And in a seemingly infinite feedback loop you guys perfectly fit those descriptions. Additionally, I have never seen exactly this kind of trolling on any site before. Certainly, I've seen worse; however, this is a different brand. So, I can't help but question the motives of you and the other most prolific members here.

The other thing that doesn't make sense is that most of the ESL/ENL writers come here like cavemen and basically make grunting noises and then the other scammers are fairly obvious too (like the advertised company in the banner above). It is all so obvious. And to those who bite, then I say good. You've just had to pay to learn a valuable lesson that many others learn for free. And it was probably less expensive than that class in college that effectively taught you nothing.

For anyone to say that they are here to expose the sniveling scammer and unqualified writer is a bit of a stretch. They expose themselves on their own just fine. Sure, they're fun to mess with and I've done my share. But you guys take it to another level and with great fervor. It doesn't add up and makes the whole enterprise seem a bit disingenuous. Its kind of like faulting people for being stupid - there's no point because nobody can raise their pre-defined level of intelligence.

So if you can't honestly and succinctly explain all of the vitriol and constant bickering, then you are being no more honest than the scammers and ESLers you purport to expose. That's not a broad brush; rather it is direct challenge to you. My intentions should be more than clear at this point.

One last thing, for those who have not figured it out - it just occurred to me - we have come full circle back to the original question and have indeed answered why fraudulent companies are allowed to advertise here. Very clever. And I thought the well was running dry.

But with regards to the other issue, editor75 and writers2beware are not off the hook yet.

If you want to be truly honest, all you have to do is to order from the allegedly fraudulent company and then share your story. Place a test order and post the paper here (or let us know if they don't send you anything). For now, you don't have any proof the company (or rather a writer who might've been assigned to work on your order) is fraudulent.

Regarding 'the constant arguing, name-calling, and general vitriol' - it's business as usual. Nobody (with exceptions) wants to reveal who they really are to avoid scrutiny or to disclose their own hidden agendas ;). I sort of understand members like WB who have actually experienced how the business works and know for a fact that out of 100 writers from Africa, 90 would lie about their location or credentials. There's often a similar pattern among some clients who may claim they have been defrauded by "Essay Service X," but - when the real facts come out - it turns out that they (not the service) are to blame.

So.. give yourself more time, study new (and old) threads posted here, personally experience a few fraudulent chargebacks, receive a totally plagiarized paper from a subcontractor who have claimed to have graduated from the Oxford University and is in fact a scammer from Africa.. and then post your revised story here ;).

Yeah, but I'm not the one hurling accusations of fraud. We're all fraudsters here, whether it is legal or otherwise. Some of what I'm hearing is, "Hey, those guys over there are more fraudulent than me!" That's weird.

Another issue is that the behavior of you, WB, editor75, and more is awfully suspicious. Just as they don't have proof that the advertised company is fraudulent, the rest of us don't have proof that the prolific EssayScam members are running some kind of ring here.

It works both ways and all suggests that there is little to be trusted on here, especially from those who claim that negativity is business as usual. The negativity itself is a deceptive act aimed at the same students who are purportedly helped by this dubious exposé.

I enjoy a little fun, but again this negative behavior undermines any sort of professionalism at any level and in any industry.

But, I appreciate that you admit to having a hidden agenda. My agenda is not hidden - anybody is welcome to contact me offline and hear/read the same words I'm writing here, whether over the phone or over a beer.

If we could all get our heads out of our asses for a minute, Fast-writers is still taking up ad space, and has already been exposed in this thread for lying about their location-- as well as admitting that they run an illegal operation. Maybe they paid up front? What's going on? Once again, it's embarrassing.

Of course it's not hidden - because your agenda is to build your own brand and obtain more clients. It doesn't change the fact you also have an agenda.