Why are all kinds of writing services being allowed to advertise here?

Bingo. And, as such, you simply can't expect me to lay down while you guys attempt to run the show here, which is exactly what you are doing. If you guys own EssayScam, then fine. If not, there's nothing behind telling me that this is all business as usual.

Ok, editor75, yes the sky is falling. Please show some proof that these guys are not doing what they say. They lied about their location and you haven't shared yours - I don't see the difference.

What do you mean by "run the show"? Everybody has a chance to express their opinions; however, some members are very good at pointing out BS so be careful ;). I like this forum because it doesn't censor almost anything (if it does, it lands in the garbage thread which is still available to the public).

Grapho,

I believe the answers you seek lie in Google search.

If a company is from the Ukraine, Pakistan, etc., chances are someone here is going to point that fact out. When a random student sees an ad for such a company and decides to check out its reputation on Google, one of the results may well be an essayscam post along the lines of, "Company X is a pack of THIEVING LIARS from country Z ... AVOID!" The student will probably then look for another essay provider.

Why would anybody want that outcome to occur? Your guess is as good as mine.

I'm sorry, but now you're beginning to **** me off.

I do not post ANYTHING about a company/site that I can't prove. Like me or hate me, everyone who's been here for a while knows that. If you would bother to READ before making false accusations, you would know that, too. And don't give me the lame excuse that you "don't have time" or "can't be bothered" to read past posts or threads. If that's truly the case, stop being carelessly irresponsible by continually posting what amounts to complete horse s-i*.

YOU need to understand that I have been under constant attack since 2007 because of the evidence that I have posted here against various COMPANIES and SITES. You have absolutely no room (or experience) to judge how I handle that never-ending, monotonous onslaught on any given day.


Negative energy? I would type "FU," but I wouldn't want to be negative. As for "not admitting" why I am here, don't blame me because YOU are too lazy to do some reasearch in the forum. Sorry, but I won't repeat myself every time some smartass like you comes along. If the answer is so important to you, you can muster the ingenuity that it takes to use a search box.

I find it hard to believe that you are wasting your time trying to find out why I--in your uneducated opinion--am supposedly wasting my time.

There is no "fued." I exposed her fraudulent sites long ago, and she's had a mouth-breathing vendetta ever since. She is absolutely meaningless to me. I no longer initiate any interactions with her because she is literally insane. Look at her posting history, and you'll see that 95% of it is directly or indirectly foused on me. She is a stalker.


The "vitriol" comes my way because of the damning evidence that I post. Again, stop being so lazy and look at the many dozens of in-depth investigations that I have posted over the years under my two different usernames.

Everything that I post is POSITIVE in relation to the safety of innocent customers and Web masters around the world. Nothing else matters, including your "curiosity."


Your irresponsible, uneducated opinion is irrelevant.

I don't significantly bother with individual freelancers unless/until they get really out of control. I focus on fraudulent companies/sites.


You're no challenge, and it should be pretty clear at this point where you can put your intentions.

Of all the more than 2000 posts I've read on this forum over several months, I can't think of one that sums up WB's spirit better than this statement, no matter how much I don't endorse some of the venom with which she does it.

Yeah, W2B, I have read through the forum and have seen your "evidence" against obvious scammers. Great job. Thanks for doing us a free service. I have also seen you relentlessly attack others who were clearly not scammers. This alone undermines everything you say.

Running the show Major? I specifically mean that you have to comment on nearly every thread even when you have nothing to contribute. You guys act like gate keepers here, which suggests that you guys actually run this site.

I'm away for the weekend and would love to continue the conversation. I'll come back later after tracking down some of W2B's, editor75's, and Major's finer moments.

W2B: Innocent customers? Really? That right there discredits your position.

I don't "have to," but I can. You can, too. So far 2 out of 3 topics you started are off-topic.. I wonder who has nothing to contribute.

I'm asking questions here and pointing out inconsistencies that I see. Maybe they are contributions, maybe the are not. You, W2B, and editor75 still have not answered anything.

You guys raise so many more questions, contradictions, and logical fallacies that I don't know where to start. So let's start at the base:

We are all at equal footing here. There is no stated hierarchy EssayScam. Therefore, telling me is so many words that I am a newbie who is acting out of place is kind of weird. Again, this suggests that you guys are gatekeepers of some sort. You are attempting to run this forum and that is very suspicious.

None of you will say why you are here other than to pass off some false pretenses, which are tantamount to scamming.

At any rate, I'll go toe to toe with any of you guys if you are willing act like professionals. Given the tone that you guys carry, I think that it is safe to assume that I have far more experience than all of you put together. But you don't see me flouting this about and putting people down with ad hominem attacks.

You're full of s-i*, smartass. Post the proof. That should be no problem for you, considering that you claim to have seen multiple examples. Put up or shut up.


So, your position is that every, single customer who places an order hands in the paper for academic credit without citing the source? Any proof?


WRONG. I have very clearly and openly stated such on numerous occasions. Do you have a comprehension problem, are are you purely lazy?



You have far more experience trolling and being an irresponsible jackass, that's for damn sure. I was more than willing to be friendly with you, but you've proven to be a world class as*hole who's hellbent on treating everyone here like a villain. For you to pompously suggest that you are being "professional" in relation to anyone else's conduct is absurd. "Professionals" aren't too lazy to do some research and they don't make false accusations against others without having a shred of evidence.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious. You have (incorrectly) assumed there was some kind of hierarchy here. Now you're trying to answer your own question. At least you came to the right conclusion.


No, we are trying to find the logic in your posts.


It's not a classroom.

W2B,

There you go with name calling again. It's not helping your cause. Then again, nobody is clear on your cause. I've looked and still can't find anywhere that you've clearly stated why you are here. I don't need you to be nice to me - you clearly haven't been nice to anybody else. In fact, you are behaving exactly as the ESL writers who get called out - name calling, accusations, and displays of anger.

When I get back home, I'll start posting some of the EssayScam gatekeeper's greatest hits. Until then maybe you can tell us about your attacks on ProfessorVerb. I'll start with him because I have no association, but do know him to be legitimate. You seem to have a problem with people who joke around.

And yes, every student who buys a model paper is being less than honest. I'm not judging; rather I am calling it what it is.

Again, I'll keep pressing you - why are you here? What are your economic interests in posting as you do. Protecting innocent students is not a real answer.

And it might be a good idea to get to know me before you make such accusations about my laziness.

Major,

I still want to know why you treat this as your own personal forum? You all are not here to protect the innocent students. Period. This is a commercially owned discussion board, therefore you, W2B, and editor75 are certainly not here as you claim; as academic ghostwriter vigilantes.

Look, the forum is not designed to be user friendly. Put yourself in the shoes of a student who comes here for the first time. The student has to wade through a lot of bickering and back biting to find any gems. And then there are you gate keepers with your hateful comments. It's all very suspicious and puts you in league with the scammers. And here you all are being true to form and beating up on me because I'm asking some questions that obviously touch a nerve and likely confirm those suspicions. And now W2B is losing her temper while demanding some respect: It is now getting to the point of absurdity, as it usually does.

This argument would end if you just came out and said that you don't want reveal why it is that you are pretending to be vigilantes. But no, we're continuing with a game of charades.

Mod, can you take this little exercise in futility directly to the off-topic thread where it belongs? That's where it is rapidly going, so... while you're at it, you might want to look a little further into Fast-Essay, that company you're taking money from to run ads on your anti-scam site, because so far, they stink to high heaven, and it looks very likely that you've once again taken money from idiot criminals. I've gotten the ball rolling, and I don't mind posting more chats with them, but you should be a little responsible, no? Consider it practice at vetting the next fools desperate enough to pay for advertising here.

This thread is already listed as 'off-topic.'

And what is the deal with calling out to the mod? We're on-topic - you claim to be exposing fraud, but you offer no proof other than a shifty address and your behavior is suggestive of fraud. I'd say we're heading in the right direction.

How is my behavior suggestive of fraud, exactly? I've been nothing but honest with you, including about how annoying and paranoid you are being.

Man, you sure do make it difficult not be drawn into a pissing match with name-calling and whatnot. So I'll indulge and call you obtuse.

Cry me a river, pissy pants. I'm just more direct than you. I don't like to hit people from behind. You initiated the attacks with a seemingly endless stream of false accusations and ignorant assumptions about anyone and everyone. I looked the other way many times, but I just couldn't take your pompous bulls-i* any more. Clearly, I'm not alone in that regard.


You sure do like to "speak" for others when, so far, I don't recall a single member agreeing with you. You've attacked the full spectrum of members here, some with cause but most without.


First of all, he started it (just like you). Secondly, I no longer have a problem with him, and even when I did have a problem with him, it had absolutely NOTHING to do with his legitimacy as a writer. From what I recall, we hashed it out long ago. So, you can go f yourself, troublemaker.


Hook, line, and sinker . . . . To my knowledge, the only verifiable, substantiated data regarding the ratio of students who buy papers to cheat vs. students who buy papers for legitimate research and reference purposes comes to us from the ]Boston University vs. Term Paper Companies" lawsuit:

"One of the companies named in the suit, a N.J.-based firm called The Paper Store Enterprises, turned over a list of seven [7] BU students who bought papers there and a university investigation found that one of the students tried to pass the work off as his own. The other [6] buyers apparently used the papers properly, as research material."

eschoolnews.com/1999/02/01/internet-term-paper-mills-dodge-a-legal-bullet-from-bu-boston-university-loses-federal-suit-to-stop-term-paper-sales-to-lazy-students/

So, your ignorant, uneducated claim that "every student who buys a model paper is being less than honest" is verifiably false.


How incompetent are you, exactly? Is the search box still too complicated for you?


Ooooooooooooooooh, I see. You're the type of person who believes that one should get to know another before jumping to conclusions and posting false accusations about the other's intentions, values, skills, and integrity? Right. How irresponsible of me.

Till then!

Keep side stepping W2B. You still haven't come clean on why you spend so much time here. You have NEVER explained yourself. You have a hidden agenda. You are not being entirely honest. You appear to be the problem that you profess to be fighting against.

Thanks for tolerating me as long as you have. I'm sure it was tough.

By the way, you started this. You could have chosen not to engage me. But you can't help yourself. You always have to do battle on here, which certainly means that you have something to hide. Coming clean would only take you about one or two sentences. You seem to have no problem writing a lot sentences, just none that are honest.

Sorry, but people who have been here for a while know for a fact that your claim is false. Again, don't blame me because you are too incompetent to find the information with which you are obsessed.

By the way, why don't you address the fact that I have already exposed your ignorance multiple times? Seems to me that YOU are the one who's sidestepping.

What happened to graphophobius' repeated claim that "all students who buy papers have dishonest intentions"? Seems to me that HE is the one who's sidestepping.


You have ZERO credibility. You have done nothing but attack everyone from editor75, major, QS, and me since you arrived. You have also made incredibly inflammatory, blanket statements about the entire forum community. You are a world class piece of s-i*. Take a hike, troll.

I highly suggest that everyone stop humoring him. Just ignore him.

The claim still stands. If you are not doing your own research, then this is intellectual dishonesty. It may not be against any university rules. It may not be academically wrong. As per usual, you seem to be conflating dishonesty with not following the rules. I know directly that any academic researcher worth his/her salt would agree. And again, I don't judge. Farm out your research in the form of model papers all you want, just don't ever call yourself a researcher.

This tit for tat and recrimination strategy of yours isn't working out so well. And I haven't made any blanket statements about the entire forum community. It is just you and editor75 that I am challenging now. Major has proved to be a reasonable dude. I have had offline conversations with other forum members as well. All reasonable dudes. Most of them agree that you are a bit unstable.

So what's your gig? My searches aren't showing much. I do have some things about you that I found, but I'm saving that for a later date when I have time.

At this point, you are proving yourself to be both disingenuous and a liar.

As indicated in FEDERAL COURT records, 6 out of 7 students referenced in the BU case properly cited the term paper site in their bibliographies. Each student used his/her purchased paper exactly as he/she used all of the other research sources listed in his/her bibliography. The purchased papers WERE sources of legitimate research. Each student engaged in precisely ZERO plagiarism.

The more you deny, the more you expose your crookedness.


Well, that's because you are completely incompetent.


Oh, I'm sure that you have plenty os unique information. Tell me--am I supposed to be afraid or intimidated in some way. PLEASE post it. I can't wait.

Yep, I guess putting 'federal court' in all caps really puts me in my place. You are still not listening.

Yes, it is okay to hire someone to do research. I've done plenty for investors and business types, who then pass it off as their own albeit reconfigured. And that's fine too; they paid for it, I signed a contract, and it's theirs to do with as they please. No problem.

And you are right: All six of those students at BU were operating within the law. There was no plagiarism. However, they are still being intellectually dishonest (again, not illegal) because they did not go through the pains of finding their own sources. Real research is hard and painful. The good bits are likely not found on the Google, and if they are, then they involve non-trivial searches. A real academic knows this (there are few). A real academic ghostwriter knows this too, probably better than the professors.

You have no proof that I am crooked. If you do, then post it here. I want to see it.


Nope. You're supposed to keep showing your anger. It's working in my favor.

You are either ignorant or intellectually dishonest. ONCE AGAIN, the students did conduct proper research; the term paper site's information/data was merely one of many research sources from which they quoted or consulted. Just because the term paper site source does not support your miserably failed argument that "all paper-buyers have dishonest intentions" does not mean that the term paper site is not a source of research. The students properly quoted/referenced the research papers that they purchased. They did not plagiarize. They did not inappropriately paraphrase. They did not attempt--in any way whatsoever--to hide their use of the term paper sites' material. Unlike you, they had no intention to be ethically bankrupt and intellectually dishonest.

I'm growing tired of whipping you. All of the evidence is on my side. Unless you can muster anything that's actually worthy of debate, stop wasting my time.

If you say it enough times, does it then become true? I like the bold sentences. Its a real demonstration of your seriousness. You're really shooting me down now.

It is clear that you have no inkling of what it takes to do real research. It also clear that this is not a debate. There is no debate to be had with one who believes what they know, and knows what they believe. And again, you're being obtuse to the point that there is no point in detailing your misrepresentation of facts and interpretation.

Bottom line: You are confusing honesty with legality. But that's okay, conflating terms like that is a common ESL mistake. Keep hanging out here and you'll learn the distinction at some point.

Um, no. I posted the evidence to prove your ignorance once, which more than suffices.


You're full of s-i*. You have NOTHING, coward. Once again, I implore you to "detail my misrepresentation of facts and interpretation." Why can't you do it? How about just a small taste?

It took virtually no effort to dispatch you. You're pathetic.

Fast-Writers: you're outta here! Haha, scumbags! Great job, mods. On to the next one, right? You owe me some money!

*Fast-Essay.

Thanks Mr. Obvious! You've saved the world's college students from making bad choices. If it weren't for you to point out the obvious, then we would all be lost to the scamming ESLers who are so difficult to identify.

Mods behind the curtain: I believe the original text of this thread included the phrase "scam companies," which you have now edited to read, "companies." Is this your way of saying that there will be no more scams up there?

I think Essaythinker.com is academia-research.com, but have no proof. Here are some (more) red flags, though:

"Customer Support Manager
Hello Doozy. How may I help you?

Doozy
hi I need a paper written, it is 14 pages.

on Ben Franklin with 6 sources.

it has to be biography.

Customer Support Manager
Yes, that's possible. We will be happy to help you

Could you, please, tell me your academic level and the deadline, so I could tell you the price

Doozy
my professor is very strict about using materials.

it is a 300 level history course, and I need it in exactly one week.

I want to look it over before I hand it in.

Customer Support Manager
Ok, let me calculate the price for your order. Please, hold on

Doozy
the important thing is that our professor is an author.

so you need to use 2 of their books.

I have all of their books.

there are 3 total.

Customer Support Manager
That's really helpful, you will be able to upload them while placing your order, so our writer will use them in your paper

Doozy
no, this professor is sort of weird.

they are not big, popular books, they are more like pamphlets by the professor.

they are not on disk.

the professor just wants their own books in all the papers.

Customer Support Manager
Could you, please, send us pictures or scanned copies of these books?

Doozy
they are not even online, I think the professor is doing it on purpose.

I can't scan anything now.

can I rush mail you 2 of the pamphelts?

I can send it out tomorrow.

or maybe later tonight if I can find a UPS store.

Customer Support Manager
Well, we are working only with digital materials, so, please, be so kind and provide us with necessary materials. You can do it any time, as we are working 24/7. The faster is the better, time is the most precious thing, you know

Doozy
well the easiest thing is for me to mail them.

I can't scan anything now, I don't even have a computer.

I am using the library.

like I said, they are not online.

the professor is doing it on purpose.

I can rush mail them same-day if you prefer.

if you need that much time.

where is your office?

Customer Support Manager
I understood, but our writers can work only with digital materials, unfortunately. Maybe you can take pictures of those books and send us? It's all because we are working with the writers from different states, and even UK and Australia writers

Doozy
well once you get them, you can scan them for the writers.

I'm sure you have scanners, but I don't.

I don't feel comfortable using them, either.

I'd like to mail you the materials; do you have an office address?

if you are in the US or Canada, I can do same-day mail tomorrow, I think.

Customer Support Manager
Unfortunately, we could not provide such services. If there could be any possibility for you to scan the books or make photos of them and send us, then we would be glad to complete the paper for you

Doozy
I don't understand.

why can't you provide that service?

I'm telling you I can mail them.

they will get here the same day.

I have a whole week to do this, so I am just shopping around now.

so far I talked to a company in New York and one in England, and they both gave me their addresses.

it makes me nervous that you will not.

the New York place even tried to get me to come in to their office.

what's going on?

Customer Support Manager
We are online service, and It's not allowed for us to use mail. I am so sorry, it's all due to the security policy and nondisclosure agreements. We can't accept anything that could have your personal information, that's why we usually use email for such purposes.

Doozy
don't you have a physical office?

I read a lot about these companies that are just online, but they are located somewhere overseas.

it makes me nervous if a company doesn't have an office in the US or UK.

or Canada.

Customer Support Manager
We are located in San Francisco, California

Doozy
oh, no kidding?

that's great!

I live in Oakland!

wow, I don't even have to overnight it!

the New York place wanted me to send it overnight.

what are your hours?

Customer Support Manager
But our writers are from other states, UK, Australia and Canada. We don't have writers here in California, that's why we work only with digital copies

Doozy
I know, but you can scan it for me!

you know I'm in Oakland, right?

do you know what that means?

Customer Support Manager
It's 2:17 pm here

Doozy
do you know what I'm talking about when I say Oakland?

I know what time it is, thanks.

it means I can drop in!

Customer Support Manager
I know, Sir, however, please, understand that it's not allowed for us to communicate directly to the customers or have any of their personal information

Doozy
I don't understand why not!

The place in New York wanted me to come in to their office.

Why can't you communicate with your customers?

I just want to fill out the order form and drop off the pamphlets.

Customer Support Manager
I am so sorry for that. I am just a CSR, and can not break the company's policy

5:20 pm
Doozy
I told you, I'm at the library in Oakland. I can be there soon.

because you know Oakland is right next to San Francisco, right?

5:21 pm I mean, you knew that.

Right?

I know you're just a CSR.

Can I ask you a question, though?

And you have to answer quickly.

If you take more than 10 seconds, I'm going to know you're cheating.

What's the capital of California?

5:22 pm go.

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Oh, well.

thanks for playing.

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In the interest of full disclosure, this operator came back online about a minute and a half after the above, asked me what my question was again, and then answered correctly. I followed up immediately by asking them what was on the state flag of California, and gave them a similar 10-second countdown, during which they drew another long blank. Thereafter, they pleaded ignorance to every question I asked them, so I'll save you the boredom.

In short: this one stinks, too!

Don't you think that trying to make a point that a service is fraudulent by making fraudulent claims is tacky? ;)

I am absolutely certain that many undergrads in east coast universities would have trouble stating the capitol of CA or whether there is a bear on the state flag. Now if you asked them about the Governator...

I'm back to troll my own thread. Would anybody like to speculate or make wild claims about why scammers are allowed to advertise on a forum that purports to expose scammers?

No, Major, I don't. I know that you're an idiot, so I will say as idiots say, so that you understand: "It is what it is."

And yes, state capitals are hard; just spelling "capital" is tricky for many idiot natives. But if they say they're working in San Fran, can't really type in English, and don't seem to know what I'm talking about re: Oakland, and then don't know the capital, and then have no idea about the state flag... it adds up.

It has almost the exact same order form and numerous other features/elements that countless "Academia Research"-affiliated sites have. So . . . .

Preponderance of evidence applies here.

So academia-research.com, that bunch of crooked, lying thieves, is buying advertising on this anti-scam site. Deja vu!

I think that we can cook up a good plate of scam and eggs here.

Just for the sake of thread continuity, essaythinker and writemypapers, two sites with probable ties to academia-research.com, are now advertising here. A CSR told me writemypapers had a physical office in London, but that no one could visit that office.

Editor75, graphophobius is going to accuse you of being in league with them because you are trying to expose them. All great detectives come to that conclusion. It's "obvious."

Nope. I clearly said that I concluded editor75 is a hapless dolt. No offense intended ed75, its not your fault.

You're an underemployed message-board clown, which ranks slightly below raving homeless person when it comes to how seriously I take your conclusions, insults, dick-riding, etc. So, no offense taken.

Writemypapers CS staff gave me the address, finally, after I pretended to be a customer who was very paranoid about "Ukrainian scams:"

Suite 13087, 43 Bedford str., London

Which shows up in public records as "FH," under 26-year-old "Olena Chorna" from "Ukraine."

When pressed, Writemypapers CS staff claims not to know who that person is, or what FH stands for, saying only that it is their "payment processing company," and can't be visited.

essayscouncil.com

I think that editor75 is going to blow a gasket.

Mod, come on . . . .

Each scam ad up there makes this an exponentially more embarrassing place to post valid information.