Native-Speakerism - a Myth or Reality. Some useful reads!

Ah, me. A person practicing racism ever since s/he joined this forum is telling me the difference!

It's natural to get effected by the weakness of others. However, I am 100% sure that I haven't made any statement that could be implicitly or explicitly interpreted as a racist comment.

However, when it comes to your thousands of posts, it's an open secret. By the way when will you understand that humans are to be respected as humans only. And, when will you stop using your home-language on this forum? I admire your mom/dad for a huge set of swear words they've taught you, but they forgot to tell you that you cannot use your home lingo at a place where you are striving to be respected.

What does that mean, exactly? You know that it makes absolutely no sense, right? It's NOT an American expression, so stop butchering our language.


Quote my "racism," and I'll quickly/easily prove that you are an idiot.


Really?




This isn't a forum about humanity. This is a forum about essay scams and incompetent writers like you. Wake up, idiot.


My parents did not teach me "swear words." I probably learned them from friends and television shows. Either way, they do come in handy when used correctly and with a certain amount of wit, you fu**-n incompetent dung-eater.

"American expression" was butchered from the BRITISH language. You can post in NATIVE INDIAN here and brag about your skill.

Show me a reference. I've checked with the OED, and while "idea" is often used with "of" in certain contexts, it is only when it is necessary.


You have no idea what you're talking about.

yes, it's sad how proud WB is of his posts. it's also really sad that you're getting such a negative view of the US based on a couple of kooks on a message board.


keep dreaming.

Don't try to fool me sir/ma'am. The fluency and love with which you use these words clearly tells me it's your home language taught by your parents(s).


I am sorry. I didn't mean any offense. I know there are both good and bad people in a society. P and WB are certainly the ones that have a clear hand in supporting growing racism, stereotypes, prejudice, etc. in the US and elsewhere (e.g. this forum).


Well said!

This must have more insulting connotations in Pakistani culture. Here, it just sounds retarded.


How is that, exactly? By insisting that the level of fluency a given writer possesses is something that customers in this industry should know in advance?

You're asking me? My, my! How innocent!


I have already stated that I tell my customers up front about my country of origin and that English is my 2nd language.

However, your overgeneralized treatment of ESL writers - both serious and non-serious - (only because their English sounds different - from your divide American standards) is plainly insulting. You and WB (and a few others) have used many a derogatory stereotype, swear word, racist comment so frequently that no one doubts about your hollow arrogance that hurls the turnips back at you.

You must understand that today the entire world is a community which is essentially based on the principles of coexistence and not coextinction.


Everything that you do has a reason and logic and so is acceptable in some way or another.

It is very simple to assert that you have not learned to admit you're also imperfect like any other human being. I don't know if you will ever arrive at such realization. I wonder!

Hah?


One does not "doubt about." One simply "doubts." However, one can "have doubts."


How can arrogance be hollow? I think that arrogance pretty much covers what you ignorantly and incorrectly think that you are trying to communicate.


WHAT?


Making an assertion of any kind is not difficult. (Well, it's not difficult for people who-unlike you-are professional writers who understand the language.)

Educate yourself, please.

sorry a typo divine American standards


Oh yes, I must educate myself - I need a diploma in racism, a degree in arrogance, and my parents need to teach me swear words = Americanization!

Wow.

Shocked! Aren't you! This is what you and P have done! In you I see the perfect educational model of the US! I wonder what you guys would be doing to the non-white in real life out there where you live in the mighty US society.


I am so sorry for your ignorance! Have you ever heard the name of a dictionary - Oxford Advanced Learner? No you haven't! Please ask your teacher and check this in that dictionary!


It simply tells me you're completely devoid of something known as taste for literature and you call yourself a writer!

If you had read a few of British poets, you'd never have made such a disgracing comment which has devastated the tall structure of your arrogance.

Not once have I made such a statement about an entire people or culture. I dare you to prove otherwise. It's clear that you are the "racist" (especially considering all of your attacks against "white" people.)


Quote an online dictionary stating that "doubt about" is correct.

Yeah, that's what I thought.


According to Google, there is not a single instance of "hurls the turnips" published anywhere on the Internet:

google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22hurls+the+turnips%22

Good job.

Why should I? Obtaining a certificate of correct ENGLISH from the university called WritersBeware is not on my list!

You have also proved that you're not even familiar with Googling some information given so explicitly!

Why? How about because you told ME to look-up your ignorance in a dictionary. I don't have to do so because I know that I am correct. You-on the other hand-are a bumbling idiot who frequently makes uneducated claims and then refuses to provide evidence (because it doesn't exist, of course). You're both a moron and a coward.


Really?

I am so sorry to see you go on the defensive! You will never bother to go through the thousands of posts you've made here! You'd never have said that because there is explicit racism, stereotypical attitude, and arrogance in those posts against non-white people!

Yes. I would like you to list an example of the racism I am accused of displaying.


No, not only because it "sounds different," but because it is more difficult to understand, less concise, and less nuanced.


It is very simple to assert anything. Proving your assertions is something you have incredible difficulty with, however.


I really have no idea what you're saying here. This is the problem with EFL individuals not knowing their limitations. I would never try to insist upon my qualifications in German, even though I speak a little German, and if a native German speaker told me they were having trouble understanding me I wouldn't be offended--chagrined, perhaps, but it would be understandable.


Considering this dictionary is designed specifically for EFLers, it wouldn't be surprising if WB hadn;t heard of it. Luckily, it's available for free online, and in the example you're thinking of:

"doubt (about something) There is some doubt about the best way to do it."

"doubt" is being used as a noun. In your sentence it was used as a verb, and "about" is incorrect. Again, you need to learn how to use your sources better.

Any more incorrect claims today?


If there are so many, or any at all, why can't you quote one? Are you so stupid that you can't quote one amongst what you have conveniently stated are my "thousands" of posts?

Haha! It was a good one! Let's see! How perfect your mom made you at swear words!

Is that all you've got-the whole "your parents taught you how to swear" bit? You're weak and stupid.

I don't have time to waste on your silly posts!

Learn to use Google you perfect writers!!!


Then why don't you show to the world that you guys know how to argue rationally, and that you have more power in your argument to convince anyone without using any swear words?

This is an Irish expression FYI. But oh, Irish English is nothing for you. Your divine US English is THE lingo of the New World Order. Isn't it shameful calling yourself writers (the best indeed) and being so narrow in your reading and knowledge?


I am happy you finally lost some of your perfect energy in finding it out online. WB didn't!


Perfect stereotyping and racism!

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First, this doesn't make sense (not in English, anyway). Second, you have failed to respond to the fact that your own source shows you to be incorrect.

EFL is not a class of people or a race, so this comment is in no way a stereotype or racist. When speakers of any foreign language don't know their limitations in that language, communication problems are bound to become exacerbated. Like when anyone tries to have a conversation with you.

Gee, I wonder why you did not provide the link . . . . Could it be because you are a LIAR and it does not exist in Google (as I already proved)? Post the link or shut up.

Why should I provide the link. If it were a matter of collective good, I'd certainly do that. But I don't care what you think about me; I also don't want to convince you for whatever I do. You're one arrogant soul - dot.


FYI - read this dictionary definition.

"1. A conventional, formulaic, and oversimplified conception, opinion, or image."

Now compare your statement with this definition. You're so innocent. Each time I have to force open your eyes for the racist crimes you commit here. I am so sorry for you. You guys need to see a psychotherapist at your earliest. Hahahaha! Gotcha!

My comment was not:


of anyone. When people do not admit their limitations, regardless of how those people are or what those limitations are, it creates problems. When those limitations have to do with communication, the problem that manifests is difficulty in communicating. This iin no way, shape, or form a stereotype. You're just not fluent enough in English to understand a) what I say or b) what the dictionary says.

You've not learned to admit your weaknesses, mistakes, and faults - that's it. You and your sister WB are the same. But I am happy the majority are not like you!

You've not learned to provide a single specific example of your assertions that doesn't stem from your own inability to process complex thoughts in English.

You and your sister WB's racism, stereotyping, prejudice against non-white writers is now an open secret. I do not need to quote/point to anything. The entire ES world knows it.

You do if you want people to believe you. It's called evidence, and the fact that you have consistently failed to provide it is quite telling.

mmm..............This is interesting. So, when he agreed to be your sidekick, you found it proper to go silent about his competencies? Your hypocrisy is , well, demonic as are your delusions of perfectionism that animate your empty skull and captain your dirty heart.

Again, buttbag, responding to 3-year-old posts as if they were 1 day old calls out your psychosis better that I ever could.

So here is the most recent example of Writers2Beware in his/her continua fight with Queen Sheba. It is obvious that Queen Sheba is a first order troll who does nothing but attack everybody and everything. Queen Sheba is a screaming banshee with no rhyme or reason to her posts. But this is obvious to all who read through EssayScam.

The really odd thing is that Writers2Beware has been arguing with Queen Sheba this entire time (~2.5 years). I've been arguing with these two; however, I'm not going to continue this for multiple years. I would for only two reasons; either money or insanity. The money incentive is kind of obvious, unless I tell you that I am doing all of this because I care about the students who get scammed. Then the money incentive becomes all muddled, and a bit dishonest.

So why is it that writers2beware works so hard at work, arguing with Queen Sheba and fighting ESL scammers in the mean streets? Writers2beware claims to be doing this for the good of the students. But if she is doing so much good, then why is she so mean to everybody? Why does she only pick the obvious and low-hanging fruit variety of ESL scammers? Why does she hide her motivations and affiliations?

This is writers2beware's signature, "Never trust any member's claims at face value. Demand evidence that you can verify." Well, I don't trust any of his/her claims and I demand verifiable evidence that she has no economic incentives for her vigilante work.

Where did you get this garbage claim, anyway? For you to make such an uneducated claim proves that you have virtually zero knowledge of the industry and its players.


Now the incompetent troll wants me to prove a negative. It just keeps getting better.

I developed the claim from reading nearly all of your posts. You tend to go after easy targets and then claim that you have done some great service in the name of innocent students. It's a common false-policing tactic.

I want you to prove the claim that you are here out of the goodness of your heart.

They cannot have the same level of skill when it comes to speaking and writing in English because each country has a specific way of speaking the English language. The way an Australian speaks English will sound strange to an Iraqi speaking English, and yet they are both speaking the same language. It all boils down to the bastardization of the English language in various countries. As Prof. Henry Higgins once famously said in "My Fair Lady", "In America they haven't spoken it in centuries".

Have you guys seen what passes for Native Speakerism in the AI writing tools these days? Tell the program to write in Australian, Canadian, UK, or USA English and all it will do is scatter a number of slang terms within the essay. That is what Native Speakerism has boiled down to in the age of AI. We all know that is not the case. Simply trying to sound like a native will not make the paper written by a native speaker. It will just show a lack of care in writing an academic and professionally sounding paper. The problem we are facing today as writers no longer pertains to these myths or realities. It is the reality that a machine is trying to take over our job that is the issue. An AI that mangles essays and has no idea how a native speaker of flesh and blood would actually deliver the product to the student.