What percentage of these sites are genuine?

Hi,

I'm new here. I've ordered a few essays from sites in the past six months. Out of 4 essays, 2 were completely unuseable, 1 was passable and 1 turned out to be excellent.

So my question is: is a 25% success rate pretty typical for these things?

FYI, the best paper came from the second cheapest site too!

Paula

Paula,

it all depends which sites you were using. some of them operate fraudulent schemes, some other aren't related to scam models, however those offer quality which is in certain instances questionable... could you send me a note which was the site giving you the most useful paper and to which topic.thanks

Hi Bambi,

I tried to send you a message, but apparently I have to post at least 4 "useful" messages in order to do so! I get the impression that discussing specific companies on here is frowned upon, but I tried the following: ukessays.com, customessays.co.uk, a private guy I found on Gumtree and another company, also on Gumtree, called UK Essay Service. Out of those, customessays.co.uk and the private guy were hopeless and ukessays.com was okay, which leaves... I guess I was just surprised that, in my experience at least, 75% of the people I tried turned out to be, at best, distinctly below standard. I'd've expected a few duds, but I wasted over £600 on essays that were, basically, cr*p.

Paula

I would kindly advise you to stay away from any of them you depicted, since you'll find many of those names popping out on this forum in a very negative context, especially the first two named by you. They seem to be running a fraudulent scheme, at least it's my impression based on the comments of other users.

The private guy you mentioned - i can't comment on that, however there are some writers on this forum which state that they tend to provide a quality work, you might try here...

For the fourth company, I am not sure have I ever herd of them....

There is a user called WritersBeware who has done extensive research on writing companies, it would be great to hear if he has encountered through his investigation any signs of evidence that uk essay service operates a fraudulent scheme?!

cheers!

Legitimate companies provide much better product. This is a fact.

There are "terrible," "average," "good," and "great" companies.

The great companies provide "great" papers, in my estimation, 85-95% of the time. Good companies provide "great" papers 65-84% of the time. Average companies provide "great" papers 40-64% of the time. Finally, terrible companies provide "great" papers 10%-39% of the time.

Why the discrepancy between companies? Well, the "great" companies hire ONLY native English-speaking writers, unlike Ukrainian ripoff operations, EssayWriters.net and Academia-Research.com). The "great" companies also demand a minimum of a MASTER'S degree from a NORTH AMERICAN or BRITISH university (not a low-level degree from an ESL "university" in Mumbai or Karachi). "Great" companies also have very little tolerance for poor work. Two or three customer complaints, and the writer is gone.

Very good information, WB.

Do you also recommend that the requester insist on seeing credentials or proof of success (how would you measure that truthfully)?

I've been noodling this around in my head for some time trying to figure out how to actually trust a site - if you've never worked for them as a writer, or have good referrals from trusted sources as a customer. :-) I'm guessing one way to trust them (as a writer) is that they don't want or need you as a writer. :-(

(Besides the blatantly obvious ones as we talked about in another thread - like advertising EFL papers but having misspellings and grammatical errors all over the website.)

Students and the univeristy being ESL, the degree obviously has to be low-level. Isn't it WB? May be you learnt this in your great America, which is why colleges in Mumbai are thronged with people not only from America, but across the globe....

And these poor ESL workers are the one's responsible for the job losses in the US, needless to say, freelance industry included. LMAOROFL....

Wake up WB... This is 2009 not 1999. You are at least 10 years behind, in this global uncertainity when the world is looking at India and China and the US itself is trying to piggyback these two growing economies to prevent recession, you are passing these stupid, illogical comments?

But the degrees from the US are truly great because one can not get a paper written through someone else and submit it as their own. So the degrees are indeed great for academia writers atleast, who are mainly from India.

I'm wide awake, thank you. One need only read your post to understand EXACTLY why you are the perfect example of an unqualified, ESL writer who thinks he/she actually has writing talent in the English language.


LMAO! You think that's because of work ethic or talent? HILARIOUS. I'll let you in on a little secret--it's because you work for peanuts! America is, always has been for the last 200+ years, and will continue to be the most innovative and powerful country in the world.

Tell me--what's the last, great invention to come out of India that has helped the world? Large portions of India don't even have running water, and India depends on the US for nearly all of its military needs. I think YOU need a reality check.

Oh, and have you heard all of the jokes about Dell's frustratingly terrible phone support? Why do you think that is? Do you think Dell outsources to India because Dell's board of directors LIKES having a terrible reputation for customer service? Dell "eats" the bad reputation strictly and solely for the MASSIVE savings in employee wages. You work for maybe 30-40% of the average of a well-spoken, non-robotic, American employee in an American call center!

From now on, please have a clue before you attack me.

Hi, thanks for all the opinions. I guess my point was that it seems incredible that only 25% of the companies I tried seemed able to deliver what they promised. I'll stick with the one that delivered, unless they too turn out to be s*it in the long-run. Wish I'd read some of this stuff here before I tried the others, but hey, that's life. Expensive lesson.

Have to say, I'd NEVER pay for an essay by someone for whom English was a second language. Is that bad of me? And none of the sites I used mentioned anything about not being based in the UK. Are these rip-off sites all out in Ukraine etc.?

Though WB, I've been to India and it's a lovely country. Different, very different, to the UK, bit of a culture shock, but you get used to it.

Some of my earlier posts vanished. Did the Dave guy's stuff get deleted and some of mine along with him?

Sorry. Long rambling reply. It sounds like some of you have personal history, imho...

Does anyone think essaybay is worth trying?

U definitely didn't have your meds before writing this. Did you?


Which part of my message claims it is because of Talent? Stop deducting your own stupid conclusions you moron. You don't have an iota of sense and are just good for building castles in the air.


Now, where did you get this? Can you post a source here? Were you drunk while writing all this? Do you have any idea how much US companies save for outsourcing their jobs to India? Do you know how much it contributes to the GDP?

I was never comparing India and the US because they are beyond compare, but now since you have raised the topic, do you have any idea on the depth of the roots of India? US was not even in the womb when India was mastering surgery and teaching world the numbers and teaching them how to count, teaching them what music was and teaching them Yog(a) and setting examples of non-violance and perseverance. Do you know what these words mean? Geez how could you ever know? You don't know your ass from your elbow. You start freting at the mere thought of someone opposing you. What will you understand of these words.

Watch your words before being derogatory (racist)


and get a life and dont waste my time as I would least want to teach you the history of India all over again....

Capitalized?


What?


Just for kicks, here's an article published TODAY:

atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KA23Df02.html

"Presently, the US lags behind Russia, Israel and France in supplying military hardware and software to India. While Russia clocks sales about US$1.5 billion to India every year, Israel notches annual sales of about $1 billion."

The United States has developed nearly every significant weapon and piece of military equipment in use around the world today. The technology that Russia sells to India was, in significant part, stolen from the US during and since the Cold War. We all know that Israel probably would not even exist today were it not for American military technology, which Israel now turns around and sells to India. France has also "borrowed" American military technology. So, this article proves that India depends on American military technology. I will not bother researching further, as it took me about 30 seconds on Google News to prove you wrong.


Um, that's precisely my point, my angry, little friend. You work for peanuts.


Thank you, once again, for proving that India heavily depends on the US in more ways than one.


Indeed! That's what makes America's dominance all the more impressive.


Is that why the downtrodden and wealthy alike from your country--and all other countries--desperately try to come to the US for surgical procedures and medical treatment?


I'm just glad you're not "teaching world the English."


Yes, I can see the New York Times headline now:
"The Fabric on American Society in Danger Due to Decrease in Yoga Instructors"


You accuse ME of being "10 years behind"? Have you been asleep while India has been stockpiling nuclear warheads and countless BILLIONS of dollars' worth of other military technology over the last 10 years instead of bringing running water to millions of its citizens?


Ah, and there it is--the race card! That's always a sign of weakness. Not ONCE did I mention a word about race or racial superiority. Your accusation stems from YOUR insecurity, pal.

Wow!

Some people on here really don't like each other! Kind of can't help noticing that you seem to have virtually ignored my original question and gone off on a personal war, and from looking around the site it seems like that happens quite a lot. I'm sure WritersBeware and WritersNeeded are both cool people...

Could I risk returning to my original question? WritersBeware, you seem to have conducted a lot of research into the area of essay sites, scams etc., which is cool, someone definitely needs to. But would you say that the majority of the sites that come up in a basic Google search are scams? Or is it a minority and I was just unlucky?

Someone recommended essaybay to me in a private message, but I looked at the site and something seemed 'off', not sure what.

I'm actually thinking of focusing on this industry for an essay at uni. I think this time I'll write it myself, save myself shelling out £300 for a pile of cr*p (yes, ukessays.com, I mean you)...

Does the username begin with "E" and end with "r"?


I would venture to say that at least 50% of all essay sites are downright fraudulent. However, if you were to ask me what percentage of the genuine, prominent, American companies are fraudulent, I would tell you 0%. To get even more specific, I would tell you that 95% of all fraud in the industry comes from sites based in Ukraine, Pakistan, and the Philippines. Of course, these numbers are based on my extensive experience, not a formal survey.

She means it's a sugar-coated hunch, not fact. WritersBeware is a known practitioner of a new branch of Mathematics called "General Statistics" (you can use the search function of this message board to know more about this inside joke). :D


Is this me? :p I can't remember if I did recommend the site to paula_jineao but I certainly would now. You can view the following threads for pertinent discussions about the site:

https://essayscam.org/forum/gt/new-good-experience-site-help-831/

^_^

EW_writer is well-known for practicing FRAUD and DECEPTION, but I want delve into that here. You will not see a shred of evidence in any of his posts. The fact that he calls out something that I admitted in advance is fairly pathetic, don't you think? You'll also note that he doesn't exactly DENY that my estimates are accurate, because he knows better.

"want" should be "won't"

Yes, I know better than to contest numbers dreamed up from thin air since obviously, anybody who does that is beyond reasoning with. ^_^


I don't disclose my identity (and lie about it if need be) to protect my privacy. That makes me fraudulent and deceptive in WB's eyes. I work for essaywriters.net since they pay me even though they don't pay a lot of other people. That also makes me fraudulent and deceptive in WB's eyes. I also work as a freelance writer at essaybay and conduct direct business with other clients from time to time. I am an excellent academic writer especially in areas of quantitative research.

Am I really fraudulent and deceptive? Well let's see, I work in the "homework-making industry"... duh. >.<

You know what? It really doesn't matter what you think or type any more. EssayWriters.net has one heck of a lot more about which to worry these days. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but there are several new, highly-motivated members with legal backgrounds who are organizing a legitimate lawsuit against your dirty employer, so enjoy your dirty money while it lasts.

WB, suckers like you often term your weaknesses as your biggest strenghts. What India gets is enough for India. It is the ultimate cost advantage. A cost that you can not work for. It is none of your ******* matters whether India works for peanuts or for free. You can not distort the fact that at the end of the day, India wins and suckers like you loose and find forums like this to vent.... LMAO....

You are proud of being good at English, right, why don't you do something? I challenge you to prove, "stop deducting your conclusions" is wrong usage of the language.


Lol......... This is how intelligent you are. You have the stupidity to mark this statement to support your lame argument that India depends on the US for nearly all its military needs. Can you READ? You better develop some common sense before attacking people and passing your racist comments on this forum.

You are the only shamless creature on this forum who flatly refuses all her wrongdoings and still has the audacity to post messages.


Hallucination. You didn't have your meds, Right? The message was on the contribution to the US economy, India's dependence is no where in the picture. Why am I wasting my time conversing with senseless morons who don't even know how to READ and yet claim to know the English language inside-out.


Yes, exactly the way you depend on ********* for your meds.


Is this what kids tell their fathers in the US? Indian kids thank their fathers for their growth and development.


Forget English, learn some common sense first. What do you keep boasting about? You are still a looser, a sucker who lost her writing jobs to some cheap ESL writers.


Just the way I see a news item popping everywhere "save yourself, dangerous retard out of the asylum, danger to the world".


Why are you after running water? Didn't you use tissues in the morning? Go see a doc, the forum is already starting to stink...


Can you READ?


Go ahead and deny it. How the **** is a degree from an ESL univesity low-class? Your mum runs that ESL university?

Weakness? Ah. You have a never ending capacity. Don't you WB? You can take much more than this.... Resistance. Retards have quite a lot of it....

Is that the best you've got? It's not even worth a response. Plus, I already answered your main question in my previous post.

Maybe, one day, you can earn a higher position and start working for almonds. Heck, come to think of it, don't limit yourself--cashews may even be within reach! Never be afraid to dream!

Guys, I am sorry to be so rude, but nobody has the right to belittle the kind of education I, or people of a certain place have earned in their life. I am sure every sensible human understands this. Education has many different aspects and while one type of education teaches you English, the other might teach you how to be a good and true human being. The fact is, both are great in their own places. I apologize if I have hurt anyone's sentiments. I didn't mean to....

It's a shame that you completely misunderstand my post. Did I belittle your degree in and of itself? NO! You don't understand the context. I belittled "your" degree in relation to fraudulent sites' misrepresentation of both you and your degree as being "American"--nothing more, nothing less.

I think so. Anyway, it was a refreshing argument.

I studied civilizations for a while and still remain awfully impressed by Egypt. Instead of taking achievements countrywise, perhaps we should celebrate the entire progress as 'The story of mankind'!!

WB, I understand that you are confident of carrying off the biggest blunder, but, people are not always fools. Don't make me start all over again. Folks, tell her the meaning of Low-level degree. I have already quoted it thrice....

Right.

New members need to keep the underlying theme of both this site, in general, and my arguments, specifically, in the back of their minds before posting rude, irate responses about my "prejudice" or "racism." My goal is to uncover fraud. If certain writers from overseas care so much about my comments, why don't they tell their fraudulent employers to stop misrepresenting their native language, education, skills, experience, and geographical location to the Americana public?


Oh, please do! I didn't laugh quite hard enough the first time.

Will do. ^_^ Oh, and I'll make a mental note to remind you what a loser you are again next year.

It's been well over a year since i began posting here and the status of essaywriters.net in terms of the volume of orders that it recieves has not moved an inch down since that time. This single statement is enough to make everyone here see what a pathetic piece of crap you are and how worthless your efforts have been. ^_^

You're a complete idiot. Things take time, and I have all the patience in the world. What you don't understand is that your crooked employer now has to spend countless thousands of dollars every month on PAID links just to counter all of the ones that are getting REMOVED. But hey, don't you worry--their third-party source of paid links is my next target. Once that venue is gone, your fraudulent pals from Ukraine will have nowhere else to turn to peddle their smut.

Then, of course, there's the legal trouble brewing. I have nothing to do with that part, but I guarantee you that the people who are putting the lawsuit together are more than capable of getting the job done.

That has got to be the CRAPPIEST excuse that I've EVER heard. :D You're simply an absolute loser and I'm pretty sure that I'm far from the only one here who thinks so. >.<

When you can actually have official reps from the these ad sites post on this site with their credentials and say that YOU were responsible for whatever it is that you claim that you've done, then I'd believe you. ^_^ Until then, dream on I say to you... dream on. :D


If they're as good as you are, oh I don't think that essaywriters.net has anything to worry about for a long, loooooong time. :D

Clearly, you've never been involved in a contentious lawsuit or the processes through which sufficient evidence gets built and collected. You're a clueless dolt. Please stick to that at which you are quite good--deceiving and defrauding customers.

Your immateur comments merely reinforce your obvious anxiety. What will you do when EssayWriters.net (and all associated sites) gets severely limited or shut down altogether via court order? Yeah, I'm sure you'll have a quirky response to make it seem as though you have no worries, but we all know better.


You accuse ME of posting the crappiest excuse ever? LMAO! Sorry, dips-i*, but your request is just a tad unrealistic.

Oh, by the way, if you think that you and your fraudulent buddies from Ukraine are "safe" from criminal and/or civil prosecution simply because you are offshore, think again! The oldest of the fraudulent, foreign companies (from Pakistan) just lost its entire network of 555 sites (via federal court order), including the notorious EssayRelief.com. Those sites have ceased to exist. You know what makes their closure even more special? It will more than likely serve as important precedent in the eventual lawsuit against the Ukrainian frauds.

Have a nice day.

Do these arguments just never end?

I asked about a few sites and this war seems to have erupted!

Chill out! Get out more! Find something else to do! Btw, it's not "immateur", unless that was a bad pun

ROFLMAO! Considering that WB thinks I'm a professional crook, I think no pun was intended. Furthermore, he should have placed the word in quotes if there was. ^_^


This is what I do for fun when I want to take a breather from writing people's homework. XD Have you checked essaybay out?


Hahaha! I'll tell you when it actually happens. ^_^

Screw you, newbie! I sincerely answered your stupid post in an attempt to help you! NEVER AGAIN. The EW_writer moron took it off-topic, NOT me! Pull your head out of your arse and READ before insulting people!


Moderator, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE for EW_writer's blatant promotion of that third-rate service. He knows the rules, but, in keeping with his fraudulent, disrespectful nature, he spits in your face. In fact, in a previous post, he ADMITS to knowingly "recommending" a certain site for which he WORKS.


I don't "think" anything about you. I "know," and so do all of the veteran members of this forum. In fact, you have flat-out admitted your CONSUMER FRAUD on numerous occasions! What--are you denying that you have already admitted your deception/fraud?


Yes, that was a typo, as I posted quickly and my mind blurred the two words that I was considering--"immature" and "amateur." That, however, is not a mistake of ignorance. Your mistake, however, is one of ignorance. Of course, I would never bring attention to it if you had not been a smartass, but any legitimate writer knows perfectly well that the comma goes INSIDE of the quotation mark.

Essaybay didn't grab me, thanks; I've found a site I trust and I'm gonna stick with it.

WB, with respect, what was stupid about my original post? No, go on, I'd love to hear your opinion, you seem brilliant. Are you real?

Hahahahahahahaha. I'm out of here x

Aww.. oh well. ^_^


Yeah, sure. I admitted not being honest about my identity with my clients. I also admitted to producing excellent work for them. ^_^ What else do you want me to admit? :) And as for the "veteran" members of this forum, I think more of them find me amusing than you credible. ^_^

I'm not credible? I bet you'd just LOVE for people to believe that lie, wouldn't you?

I have over 2,000 posts. I challenge you to quote ONE claim that I have made that is a lie or untrue.

Hurry up, coward.


You also lie about your location, qualifications, and education, don't you? Why don't you tell us your username on the site so that we can all review your fraud first-hand?

Yes, I lie about my location. No, I do not lie about my qualifications in as far as the degrees that I've earned and my areas of expertise are concerned. :)


Since when do taking stupid actions constitute as being a man? :P You think I'd want all my competitors to know what my username is? ^_^ My clients are exceedingly happy with my work and they pay me fairly. In my book, that's all that matters. :p

If you're so proud of your fraud, why not have the guts to reveal your identity?


If that's the case, why not be honest for once in your life and tell us your username? After all, since you claim that dishonesty and deception do not matter to your existing clients, should you not assume that you will only gain MORE clients by revealing your username?


Still waiting . . . .

Did your mother hit your head on the floor when you were a baby or something? I don't think it's very difficult to understand that I hide my identity so that people won't know that my sideline is providing excellent papers for students in unsuspecting universities.


If I revealed my username, i would be exposing myself to other writers at essaybay who may be envious of my success. I don't think they can really do anything to stop me, but then why take chances? :p


All your claims about essaywriters.net and essaybay are inconsequential to me. Whether or not they're actually true is something I do not care about since I've established well enough through experience that nothing you say or do will ever make a difference and I'm willing to bet that that will be a constant for years and years to come. :D You've stopped claiming that I'm an incompetent writer a long time ago after I kicked your arse more than a few times to prove it. Now you even go as far as to say that I'm actually the exception to your rule that ESL writers suck at writing professionally in the English language. Why would I want to dispute such claims? ^_^

Get it through your thick skull. I'm just here to torment you for kicks and to get some direct clients every now and then. ^_^

Prove it. Show ONE example that you have EVER defeated me in ANY argument. You're all bulls-i*; no substance.

By the way--I'm still waiting for you to PROVE that my posts are "not credible."


Actually, yes, she did. Guess what! Similar to Spider-Man's radioactive spider bite and Hulk's gamma rays, it somehow gave me the superpower of being able to detect frauds and low-lives. It's no shock that my "fraud sense" tingles every time you post.


LMAO! Even I was expecting a better excuse that THAT! You're utterly spineless.


Really? Is that why your lying pals at Universal Research Incorporated (EssayWriters.net) were left with no choice but to change their fake address after I exposed their fraud? Is that why much of my irrefutable evidence--including governmental records--will almost certainly appear as official exhibits in the eventual lawsuit against them for consumer fraud, misrepresentation, unfair wage-garnishment, etc.? You can claim whatever you like, but I'll just sit back and smile. The more you insult and deny, the sweeter the long-overdue justice will be.


Wrong. I acknowledged that you are the exception to the rule as far as ESL writers in the essay industry is concerned. You take that as a complement? LMAO! I'm not surprised. By no stretch of the imagination are you a legitimate, professional writer in the English language. A legitimate magazine or newspaper in the US would NEVER hire you. The holes in your prose are glaring. Have fun trying to figure out why you're not hirable.

Figures.. ^_^

See you in the year 3000 when I guess all the long overdue justice might already come. You should hurry though.. before the Second Coming beats you to it. ^_^ Oh, but I'll make sure to remind you come year 2010 how you've wasted another year accomplishing nothing. ^_^


Err.. and who ever said that I wanted to be anything other than that in as far as writing as a sideline is concerned? I'm no Faulkner and I've never claimed to be one. :) I'm just a small-time hustler who writes excellent termpapers and essays, creates stylish PowerPoint presentations, analyzes quantitative data using Excel and SPSS and crafts professional resumes for anyone wanting by night and has a legitimate job by day. ^_^

So its safe to say that if your in a pinch and really need help that none of these sites are legit and cant even help a fellow out...I am running out of options. ; (