What percentage of these sites are genuine?

Dear Members,

Greetings!

I am not here to promote any website but I must say that a couple of days back I requested members on this forum for help, I required a paper urgently but I did not get the response that I thought I might get. I have been scammed by Academia once and I strongly feel that something must be done in order to stop their scam factory. I got my essay done by visiting a relatively new blog but it is a very trustworthy blog. The writers don't even ask for a full advance payment and complete the assignments at a very reasonable rate. The name of the blog is Honest Essays and the link is

honestessays.blogspot.

I have a very good experience with these people and I would like the others also to try them. It would not matter to me if none of the members try it because I just wanted to tell about my experience, it is much better than getting repeated scammed and then regretting over the same mistake for days, the sooner we understand this the better.

WELL WHEN IT COMES TO THE FACTS OF ESL, I CERTAINLY CONTRADICT MY OPINIONS. MY PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE GIVE ME THE LUXURY TO CLAIM THAT ESL WRITER IS NOT A GARBAGE AT ALL. I HAVE SEEN MANY POSTS WRITTEN BY ESL WRITERS HERE AND I CANT SEE THAT THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES IN STATING THEIR POINT OF VIEWS IN THE CONTEXT OF GRAMMAR, CLARITY OR COHERENCE IN THEIR SENTENCES. THOUGH I WILL CERTAINLY SAY THERE ARE SOME ROTTEN EGGS PRESENT WHO ARE NOT GOOD AND THEY CHEAT AS WELL, BUT THIS IS NO WAT TO STEREOTYPE THE WHOLE ESL COMMUNITY AS SCAMS OR SOMETHING ELSE. ENGLISH IS A LANGUAGE AND ANYONE CAN LEARN IT. THE DIFFERENCE IS HOW TO GET EXPERTISE IN THE LANGUAGE. THE SECOND LANGUAGE USERS HAVE DIFFICULTIES SOMETIMES BUT MOST OF THE TIMES IF THEY ARE COMPETITIVE, THEY CAN BE AS GOOD AS NATIVE.

Actually, even ESLs who are fairly fluent typically still use very awkward sentence structure and often make other subtle but very characteristic mistakes that no U.S. customers want in their work. Thanks for the demo...please keep posting.

Hello everyone

I have been associated with the online writing industry for about 2 years. I wanted to make a few points here. I do not intent to offend or provoke any one, just want to know what you people think.

I very much agree with some of the members on the quality of papers written by ESL writers. I have worked for one such company that does hire ESL writers. I must say there are competent people everywhere. Some ESL writers write essays that are pretty OK as per the American Standards.

The problem is that people think this is easy money so they jump in. And the reason why they stay there (atleast for sometime) is that not everyone who order papers is a native with good command over the language. So the bad/average quality papers are sold without complaints most of the time. And now the term ESL has become such a taboo that if some one genuinely admitted that they have ESL writers would mean inferior quality.

I am also very concerned about ethics, can we use this forum to come up with a code of ethics for the industry. A code that would address concerns from every quarter, the faculty, the students, service providers (websites) and writers.

P.S.I am new here and English is not my first language, but I feel I am reasonably proficient in it.

humble

No kidding.


That's great for your personal communications, but when native English language speakers order essays, they don't want "reasonably proficient"; they want 100% fluency without any obvious signs of ESL-level "proficiency" which happens to be evident throughout your post above notwithstanding that it's not too bad for an ESL.

As far as "ethical standards" for the industry, how about just starting with truth in advetising? Take all the business available from customers who don't mind ESLs writing for them but don't lie about it to deceive all the other customers who don't want their papers written by ESLs. Don't impose what you happen to believe about the quality of ESL writing on others because they have the ethical right to make that decision for themselves. How 'bout that?

FreelanceWriter:
I did not intend to impose my opinion, I just shared it.

What makes you doubt my proficiency? I know one sounds cool by ridiculing ESL writers, what if i just wrote it to see how people react?

And I want to take ethics beyond ESL and advertising. What level of assistance is ethical to provide? People even get their PhD dissertations done by ghost writers. How about sharing your opinion on this aspect?

humble

You expressed the opinion that ESL writers suffer from an undeserved bad reputation and that it shouldn't matter whether or not companies use them. In the context of a discussion topic about companies' not disclosing their use of ESLs, the inference seems to be that it's not unethical for them not to disclose that. I'm simply suggesting that many people don't share your opinion about ESLs at all and that's why it's unethical to deceive customers by denying using ESLs.


Do you really need me to highlight every single thing in your prior post that makes it completely obvious that you're an ESL? I acknowledged that you write well for an ESL; you do not write well enough that it's not obvious to anybody who isn't and that's why customers have the ethical right to know the truth before they select a company.


Well, in my "opinion," that would probably make you an idiot. Just sharing.


Then we just have very different definitions of "cool."


If you're asking me how I feel about students who misuse model essays by turning them in for credit, I think that's their business. It's unethical in terms of the grading curve; otherwise, I don't think it really matter for reasons I'm too lazy to detail here, especially since I'm already very familiar with all the counterarguments and I don't have the patience to address them as though this is the first time I've ever had the discussion.

FreelanceWriter:
There is a good number of people not living in the US who speak English as their second language but write in it as their first language. Though it may sound strange, it is a fact.

I respect your "opinion". However I also doubt your writing skills :).

I have been in this industry for quite some time now and know all the counter arguments. However, these arguments are pretty flawed. They contradict the way our services are marketed. If we write only model papers why not share them with the professors? why have this loophole? Why all the confidentiality?

If we only provide model papers, we should be working under the patronage of colleges and in collaboration with the faculty.

humble

I think I forgot to mention that I agree with you that one should not hide location nor misguide clients regarding the origin of the service provider.

How could you possibly have any basis whatsoever for "doubting" my writing skills? I have actual customer feedback on this forum from multiple customers who report A grades from my help and zero negative feedback. If you mean on the basis of our respective contribution to these exchanges, then you're completely delusional.

You may "know" them, but that certainly does not mean that you will win the argument. You're beating a dead horse--a dead horse that lost every race before being carted off to the glue factory. FreelanceWriter and I have repeatedly pummeled--with evidence, facts, and the tenets of basic morality--anyone who claims that the average, ESL writer's skills are equivalent to or better than those of the average, EFL writer; therefore, there's nothing wrong with ripoff companies intentionally misrepresenting their ESL writers' location and qualifications in order to fool American consumers. Funny--the only people who make such absurd suggestions are ESL writers and the owners of the ripoff companies, both groups of which PROFIT from the deception and fraud, with utter disregard for consumers' rights.

I've never talked to or read about an American student who was HAPPY about having to decipher ESL garbage that he or she was falsely led to believe would be EFL brilliance.

FreelanceWriter:
:D lets not get personal.
I do not doubt at all that you get good feedback. I already touched upon this point earlier. Many people who order their essays are not very good writers or have adequate understanding of linguistics. Your writing style is pretty reasonable so I would rate you on the higher side as far as writing style is concerned (not the content). If you need some feedback on your writing style let me know. I must also point out that my observation of your writing style is limited to only a few posts on this thread. I believe that you write even better when working on academic papers.

Now are you interested in the ethics thing?

Cheers!

This is not a forum about student ethics. This is a forum about sites that ripoff consumers and/or freelance writers.

WritersBeware:
I feel there is a relationship between the two. Lack of ethics, standards and regulation are the reasons behind all the mess in this industry.

There is so much of secrecy and confidentiality it only paves way for scams.

I do have an account with essaywriters.net, I never wrote for them as one friend of mine never receive his money. I have also read much about them on this forum.

Do you recommend any company to work for which will no discriminate on the basis of my location?

Only the fraudulent companies from Ukraine, Pakistan, Philippines, etc. are guilty. The genuine companies in the US, UK, and Canada abide by all ethical and legal guidelines.


None of the legitimate companies "discriminate" based on location. They weed out ALL unqualified writers, regardless of location.

What about India?

* I missed a 't' in my previous post. not discriminate

India as well

I thought of stating that there are few students from this forum who asked my friend to write for them. We wrote for them and they were more than happy with our work. I think it is a good idea to work for yourself, especially when you are educated from a foreign university with good grades.

I write for students and now have my own blog for this.
academic-writing-services-for-u.blogspot.com/

academic-writing-services-for-u.blogspot.com = UNTRUSTWORTHY, ESL GARBAGE

I m going into a depression :(

Yes :D

WB = Speaking bad about every company on earth.
As per WB...is there any company which is good?
And if it is then...WB certainly is an affiliate of it.
Because WB has spoekn bad about 99.9999% companies of academic writing.
WB has appreciated only one company on earth.
Think for yourself can 99.9999% companies on earth be fraud?
Check for yourself.

Actually, no--just the ones that ARE low in quality and/or engage in one or more types of verifiable FRAUD.

Listen, tough guy, put up or shut up. You want to claim that I'm wrong? Name a site that I have suggested is fraudulent/low quality but that you think is legit. I'll tear your IGNORANT assertion apart and show everyone EXACTLY why the site is GARBAGE.

"Allyson Holland Writer" = another FRAUD with the same, false accusations without any proof whatsoever

I just stopped by to look at the thread I started and... WOW!

Is there a single thread on this entire site that doesn't descend into this kind of petty, pointless crap?

WB in particular, you go around and around in these ridiculous circles of anger and stupidity - if you directed all this energy somewhere more productive, you might actually find yourself with better things to do. Don't you sometimes feel like every single key you push on your keyboard is another step on the road to oblivion?

Sorry, I just think this site could be useful if certain people stopped using it as a forum in which to exercise their egos.

P.S. WB - I don't give a **** if there's a spelling or grammar mistake in this message, I don't give a **** if you think I'm a "newbie", and I don't give a **** if you think my original question was stupid.

I want to state here that Indian brains and Indian writers are really good. I am a writer and I work for myself. I have been writing papers since long and none of my written paper have scored less.

Again Indian brains have won the academic race round the globe.
You need to change your attitude towards Indian writers.

Um, no.
arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm

Your post is all the proof we need that you (and others like you) suck the big one. Thank you.


That, my friend, is a knee-slapper!

India's best university is only #315 in the world! LMAO!

Proof:
arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_D(EN).htm

If India were on the academic world's football team, it would be the 314th-string quarterback.

I am not an Indian.

WB you are right. However I would like to bring in another perspective. Even though Indian universities are not rated well, Indian students are there in many good universities.

It is like having one or two Indians in every team :D (they are so many)

=========

IndiaDaily - 9 Indians in MIT top innovators' list 9 Indians in MIT top innovators' list. PTI November 09, 2004. It's been a good year for Indians abroad, with Bobby Jindal getting elected to the US Congress ...

indiadaily.com/editorial/11-09c-04.asp

Humble, American-educated Indians do not count.

You have a point there.


But why not? If they study at American universities they still use their Indian brains :D.

Yes there are some useful threads, but most of them also get spammed by these noob writers who want to advertise their sites or their personal writing skills. I wish WB will post some sites that he suggests that we can use to get some good grades on our papers :D hahaha


Wow, i am going to bookmark this. Very true!

[Moved from]: a GENUINE essay writing website?

hi,

i need to find a GENUINE essay writing website for law - international criminal law..... please if u have had experience with any GOOD ones then let me know?

please DO NOT fight with each other here.... I just want a website... urgently!!

thanks

You cannot ask anyone on this forum for any recommendations. This is against the rules of the forum. Also, no member can make any such recommendations.

oh ok, thanks... so how do i get my answer without breaking the rules?

This is pretty simple. Sift through a few threads that sound like discussing a company. Go through a few posts, and I am sure you will get to a point where you'll know which companies are legit. I hope it helps.

Just do some secretive research through google.. But that sounds more like the new James Bond installment.

Here's a thought, why don't you try writing the paper yourself since you have such specific requirements for it. You aren't supposed to be asking us for recommendations, specially when you need such a specific profession related paper written. Instead of asking for recommendations, look at the banner above instead. Pick from Writers. Services, and the two companies with banners above. These would be your best bet when it comes to getting reliable service. This isn't a recommendation. It is a suggestion that you look around and be observant. The answer to your request is staring you in the face. You just don't want to have to do the work of having to investigate and choose a writer or a company. You aren't going to be writing the paper yourself anymore, the least you can do is pick the service that will do it for you. Recommendations aside. Use your own judgement. Don't involve us in your decision making process. You've got some pretty good choices here, so use your better judgement and get your paper over with.

As these websites become increasingly adept with masking their actual locations and also manage to get some decent writers onboard sometimes, it becomes ever more difficult for a client to pinpoint a genuine site from a scam. Even a true US or UK based company could, if the owner has a criminal mind, run a scam company if he wishes to.

I am not saying that there are scam companies in the US and the UK, I am just saying that it could exist if the moment were just right for a certain type of individual. So you can't really tell. That is why I would rather not focus on the percentage of genuine sites but rather, focus on the number of websites that can actually deliver as promised. As long as the company understands the paper requirements and they have a writer who can deliver as promised or tasked to do so, then, for all intents and purposes, that company is genuine.

I believe there are scam essay companies in both the US and the UK.

It's quite difficult to determine the legitimacy of most companies, especially because it requires extensive research to determine whether or not they are real. The best way would always be to trust a site that you personally know customers of. If there are none, perhaps an individual can sit down and do in-depth research on the companies. Just because a company displays the US and UK as their site address does not mean that it is legitimate. Often, they use this to mask their true IP as most consumers prefer to trust US-based companies in hopes that they use ENL writers over ESL writers (arguable - but generally true).