Students: the only thing that matters is a writer working on your assignment

We have been seeing a sleuth of company reps pimping their websites on essaychat and essayscam. They flash their UK addresses, UK phones, UK registrations and whatnot. As someone who have worked for these companies and opted to be a freelance writer I can tell you one thing: NONE OF THIS MATTERS.

The only person who can deliver a good work is a writer. These sites employ slave labor from 3rd world countries and in general treat their writers like crap. Writers are unmotivated, abused, tired and only paid 30% of order's price, hence they deliver a sub-par product. The companies are fine with it because none of them is trying to get repeated customers.

Find a good writer and stick with him or her. Very simple. Do not help these leeches to gorge on poor writers.

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Well, we can honestly say you have obviously not worked for us. I think you should be careful before tarnishing all companies with the same brush.

We do not abuse our writers, they are well paid and we generally have a great rapport with all of them. It's a shame you have found this to be the case with companies you have written for.

Sure, every company rep says that. Like did anyone really expect you to admit it?

I agree completely with this.

You "totally agree" because you've obviously never worked for one of the legit companies in America.

there is no such thing as a "legit essay company". This business is dirty and companies make profit by using slave labor. It does not matter if a company is in the US, UK or Pakistan. Writers get 30 max 40%, the rest goes to the company. Writers and students should really rebel, stop feeding these leeches and work directly with each other.

This of course will leave "company reps" jobless, so I expect a s*h*i*t*s*t*o*r*m of replies. Bring it ON~

I completely agree again :)

glad to see other writers agree.

MR. STRICKLAND: I been usin' tattlers off and on for years. Back in the old days we used midgets, stuck 'em behind the seats with a bucket of ice to keep 'em cool. That's till OSHA came in and put them poor little people out on the street. That's what they like to be called, Hank, "little people."

Yeah your right, I haven't. To be honest I only briefly worked for a UK company, a few years back. I was far from impressed and genuinely not just down to their pay rates. A lot of my issues stemmed from how they were treating their clients. Then when I looked further into it, the list of complaints by customers was endless. And Im not talking about a company owned by 'scammers'- but supposedly one of the biggest companies in the UK within this industry. Thus, my judgement in this case is not purely on anecdotal experiences. Of course this is no reflection on your company-I fully believe there may be legitimate companies out there. If this is the case with your company, then you deserve every success.

Quite honestly, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Any writer who works for one of the LEGITIMATE companies knows first-hand that your claims are hogwash. The legitimate companies pay writers AT LEAST $10 per page for basic orders with non-urgent deadlines.

I wonder how much they pay midgets, er, little people ...

wow, that is really GENEROUS, especially in light of the fact that the company charges students 30 USD per page. Thank you though for confirming my assessment about writers getting 30% of what the company charges. You are leeches, nothing else, blood sucking parasites. Writers should rebel and quit working for you. Get together, refer orders to each other and work directly with the clients.

Please don't ever type the word "fact" again.


I clearly stated that the legit companies in America pay writers at least $10 per page for "basic orders with non-urgent deadlines." The legitimate companies typically charge $17-$20 per page for "basic orders with non-urgent deadlines." The writer gets $10 and the company gets $7-10. That constitutes 50%-59% for the writer. Learn some basic math skills. (The company also has to cover transaction fees, chargeback fees, processing, payroll, advertising/marketing, corporate fees, etc.)


I have stated countless times since 2007 that I do not own a site or write papers for students. Wake up.

I agree with the opinion that only the writer matters when it comes to working on the assignment.

If the company assigns the paper to a less than stellar, non-ENL writer, then the student just may end up with a "written in hell" model paper for his assignment.

These academic companies have such a regular turnaround for their writers that it seems like the company has a never ending revolving door of ESL educated writers.

It is one thing to have a writer who understands what the topic of the paper is.

It is another thing for the writer to actually have the skills with which he can professionally and academically complete the paper.

Basically, where the company is located does not matter as much as the actual English thinking and writing level of the writers they hire to work for them.

In my opinion, it is the ability of the writer that matters because if he is not capable of completing the work in the expected manner, then the student would have been scammed twice over.

@Smiley73

With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about, so please stop spreading false information. Where a company is located -- particularly in THIS industry -- has proven to be extremely telling and critical. Have you ever heard of CONSUMER-PROTECTION LAWS in the US? Well, such laws either do not exist or are not enforced in Kenya, Ukraine, Russia, India, Philippines, Pakistan, etc. Plus, 99% of the owners of sites/companies in Kenya, Ukraine, Russia, India, Philippines, Pakistan, etc. are not qualified to judge "writing quality" in the English language. So, what makes you think that they can/will hire qualified writers even if they want to do so?

I strongly agree with WB - besides the obvious, ie. the non-plagiarized quality research vs. ESL non-quality research, it's all about consumer protection. If you moved to Kenya, Pakistan, India, or Ukraine and someone stole your money, identity, or copyrighted work -- the joke and trouble is on you; while you can report the crime, it's unlikely to be resolved unless you hire a full-time lawyer to get something done.

When ordering a custom essay or dissertation from someone located in a foreign country (even if they have a 'borrowed' Paypal account that seems to have a US/UK/Australian address), you are automatically bound by this foreign country's laws (ie. no real consumer protection laws).

I'd agree that the experience and ability of the writer is the most important variable that determines the quality of the work you receive from any essay-writing provider. As a practical matter, that probably does mean that companies located in the US and UK are going to be your best bet. However, even some of the best of those companies do also hire ESL writers, as well as very inexperienced fledgling NES writers who aren't (yet) likely to provide work of the highest quality. Even among NES writers, there's always going to be a huge difference between the quality of work provided by writers who are new to this business and the quality of work provided by writers with thousands of projects under their belts, especially when it comes to handling projects outside of the academic areas of the one or two degrees they may have earned, themselves. That applies as much to new freelance writers vs. highly-experienced freelance writers as it does to the worst writers of the hundreds of writers working for large companies vs. the best writers at those same companies.

Always working an angle . . . . Always trying to find a way to take a jab at legit companies . . . . Perhaps I should revisit all of the many, MANY reasons not to hire freelance writers?

Insult someone's math skills all you want, but $10/page is d.o.g.s.h.i.t.

I write for Unemployed Professors, which has a strict bidding minimum of $25/page (double-spaced), and I take home 73% of billed revenue, so roughly $18+/page before the thieves at PayPal take their little cut. This alone should be proof that the site is legit. They vet their writers and try to keep out the lazy/unqualified scam artists. No one who's qualified should write for less.

Yes, crappy writers make their way onto the site and turn out bad work from time to time, and their reviews show it. FWIW, here are my reviews: unemployedprofessors/professorreviews.aspx?id=2070

ProfCrisis, take your spamming elsewhere.

Do you really think that we haven't seen your game 100 times? You are here for ONE reason: to post your URL. Everything else is calculated smokescreen.

And what's the "ONE reason" you're here, writers2beware? How tf is what I'm doing spamming? I'm making actual arguments while the rest of you hyenas fling s-*t at me with zero evidence other than your insane paranoia, then hilariously flail for reasons to hate a site, including -- GASP -- promoting the consumption of ALCOHOL.

Don't clutch your pearls too tightly, honey; they're fake so they'll break easily.

I guarantee that 99% of people who come to this site see your petty BS and conclude, "I don't want any of these people writing for me. They're insane."

I'm done with the days of explaining and proving things to meaningless peons like you. People who matter know who I am and what I bring to the table.

You came here to PUBLICIZE your meal ticket, whether you own the site or not. Your laughably lame assertion that you couldn't possibly be the owner/agent of the site simply because you mentioned some of the site's bad reviews/writers is shallow, transparent, and tired. The people behind that site obviously don't give a rat's ass about reputation or morality. They care only about "mentions." Clearly, they decided to take the "any publicity is good publicity" approach. The very name of the site proves such.


Thanks for proving your utter cluelessness. Not once in the 10 years that I have been a member here have I offered to write a paper for anyone. In fact, I posted a thread warning people to NOT send me private messages asking me to write papers for them or I would publish their request for all to see. So much for your ignorant assumptions . . . .

GASP - PUBLICIZE! How immoral!

The fact that you can't or won't follow basic rules is no surprise. Move along, intellectual infant.

I take offense at the reference to writers being slaves. I have never treated my writer as a slave and I never underpay them. I practice a strict 51/49 split with my writers when it comes to the fees charged. I will agree though that an underpaid writer is an unhappy writer. Which is why I take it upon myself to give any of my writers who receives positive reviews from their clients a bonus for their hard work. Offering incentives to writers and actually delivering on those incentives is the best way to get the best work out of your client. Which results in repeat business for the company. Contrary to what the OP said, all academic writing companies seek repeat business as it is harder to sell services to a new client every time. What matters is not that a writer is working on an assignment. What matters is that the writer knows he is being properly compensated for the work he is completing for the client.

I have worked with companies before that severely underpaid me. It definitely did affect the output of my work, especially because I was so discouraged from even trying when I wasn't earning enough to justify the amount of time that I work for them. Now, I have been working with two different companies who give out fair wages and are always considerate when it comes to time zone differences and other circumstances that can come into play. I can say for sure that this has made me want to stay in the industry longer.

Knowing that I work for people who are not merely around to take advantage of writers definitely gives me motivation to work harder for them.

While a majority of these companies do run the equivalent of slave labor camps, I would beg to differ regarding the ability of their writers to complete the work required by the clients. There are some 3rd world writers who, having studied in the equivalent of international schools in their country, may have the ability to write properly, perhaps not as fluently as ENL writers, but still fluent enough to pass as an educated writer / student. Where and how the students acquire the the writers will never be as important as the ability of the writer hired, that much I will agree with. However, I do not believe that one should shun writing companies simply because there are some disgruntled employees who wish to earn more than the profit sharing scheme of the company allows. The writers came to work for the company conscious of how much they will be paid per page. So don't take it against the company if you do not earn as much as you thought you would. It isn't the company's fault your work order assignment isn't what you expected. Prove your writing abilities first, then discuss an increased CPP with the company. As far as the students are concerned, if the writer can deliver the work, they don't care what the CPP and profit sharing agreement of the company and writer is or was.