My thoughts on recent developments in the Forum (members, visitors, and competitors)

I have been thinking about the recent developments in the Forum. It seems that the DND list is growing which is fine. However, this probably does not sit well that a post is to be removed if it contains certain companies' names.

My personal thoughts are that today is the time of increasing democracy where standpoints, arguments, views, are presented by any stakeholder in any direction. Countering something negative (or laden with a hidden agenda) is the duty of the other parties; this needs to be done using the same means of communication, etc.

It seems that as the net of DND is tightened by the day, the actual purpose of forming ES loses its rigor.

I am NOT a party with ANYONE either on this side or that. However, like other serious members, I have tried to increase the information base of ES by adding tiny bits of information on quite a few scams.

Perhaps, it is time for the ES administration to find a way by which they can maintain greater transparency so that any visitor is given due opportunity to express their views.

It would be even better if ToS are reviewed in a way that have greater security for all the companies operating in the essay writing industry so that they are not worried about their names being defamed. On the other hand, the members, vile visitors, and competitors should also be heard so that people can make judgments on the pros and cons of a discussion.

I hope I have not offended anyone by touching this "very sensitive" area.

You need to realize that some companies own 50+ websites. Most companies own at least 5+ websites. So even if there are 100 websites on the DND list it is likely that only 2-3 companies don't want to be discussed here ;).


IMO, all companies that are discussed here benefit either indirectly, directly, or both:

- Indirect Impact: Domain name mentioned in the forum increases the domain's reputation score and defines its theme in search engines. Since the forum is 100% devoted to discussions about essay writing / essay industry / essay writers, it helps search engines categorize the domain correctly in their indexes and increase their rankings. The knowledge about the powerful indirect impact is known to SEO experts only, but it doesn't change the fact the impact is there ;).

- Direct Impact: If the outcome of a discussion is neutral or mostly positive, the direct benefit is right there. It is very unlikely a forum visitor who is trying to decide if to order from websiteA.com is going to read all posts about websiteA. Most potential clients don't like to write and read (especially complaints written in broken English ;-). Those who don't know any particular website can just find a random topic and decide to order from them. If a website is not mentioned anywhere at all, there are zero chances of finding them.

That's not all. I think the most important deciding factor in ordering from websiteA.com that has been discussed here is the fact that the website is... discussed AT ALL. That is a guarantee that works like an extra insurance; if something goes wrong, the client can go back to the forum (or let the company know he/she will go back to the forum if problem is not solved) and try to resolve the problem. Personally, I would be leery of ordering from a website that is afraid of public scrutiny. Even if the website has great reputation, there are chances something goes wrong. Then what? Complain to managers who ignore your emails? Or call the police? Hmm...

I've read some great companies (unrelated to the essay business) actually PAY disgruntled customers and former workers to give them specific details on what went wrong and how to improve it in the future. While they won't be able to safe every relationship, they may be surprised at how many customers they can rescue. That is a smart way of getting closer to perfection.


If there is a legitimate complaint, there is no way of avoiding negative comments.

I think there is a big misconception about "competitors trying to destroy each other by posting libelous comments." From my experience, only a handful of topics (out of a couple of thousand) have been actually started by "a competitor" trying to put another website in a negative view. And it was usually a former disgruntled writer of the website, not the company itself. If anything, most negative topics about websiteX have been started by a few of disgruntled clients of the website. I believe a client who is not satisfied with the service has the right to complain and by customer rights standards it is not equal to defamation.

Besides, it's doubtful an actual competitor would want to waste time / resources AND risk potential lawsuit just to "defame" websiteX. EssayDirectory.com lists thousands of websites providing exactly the same service as websiteX. By "defaming" websiteX, there are very little chances a potential client would order from the "defamer," so his/her efforts would be both very risky and fruitless.

You have problematized the pertinent issues well. I find it hard to continue adding more fruit to the reader's thought.

How do you have the time to create all these 'alters'? You are 'new'?

Don't make me laugh...

That's true, which says much about the companies that are on the DnD list. IMO, clients should think twice before hiring the services of companies that cry foul when disgruntled clients complain in public.

Hi Meo,
How is your bomb making industry growing. Wow...what cultured words when the members here that you and a few others are rabid.

Meo, book you ma for me tonight. Pakima's give great blowjobs

Bye Meo, bastard

I think some paki guy had done something with you and you are ashamed of not telling this in the public.. heheheheheh

Major , has talked about some very valid points the effect these discussions have on various companies.

Mod, it is not quite useful to continue using the .org extension

Mod, I am dismayed at how this site has quickly degenerated into a biased commercial outfit with dozens of ads cluttering the site.
This site was never meant to be a commercial arm of commercial essay sites; it's wrong, unethical, hypocritical and even outrageous for you to permit ads whilst purporting to offer 'unbiased' opinions to students. The objective of this site has been lost in the minefields of commerce.

Why then can't you register it with .com since it is now purely commercial? Incompetent but moneyed hacks will exploit the advertisement opportunities to destroy competent writers.

Already, there are baffling nutcases (like WB) that have made this site insane and what we don't need more is having the forum commercialized.

It'd have been better if you sought donations for domain and hosting charges; I personally can bankroll this site for 20 years without feeling any pinch.

As I long ago pointed out, the original objectives of this site were noble, well-intentioned and even long overdue. At one time, this forum had some credibility and, more often than not, we assisted students separate wheat from chaff.

However, as time went on, the forum was invaded by shadowy merchants whose only intention was to malign genuine competitors and drag students into their equally shadowy outfits. In short, spammers like WB subtly commercialized the forum. What is pleasing, however, is that their businesses suffered massive loss of clients; it was self-cannibalism at its best.

I am convinced that WB & Co are having difficult time paying their bills. GREAT.
Today, very few students trust anyone here; the occasional student who stops by gets practically no help and I even suspect this forum will wind up soon.

The forum has gone full circle, really.

It seems students are finally happy - they don't have to ask for recommendations because the advertisers give them what they need with one click. I noticed there is already a commercial version of the site - if you access it through www.essayscam.com ;).

Well, the spite and vitriol seems to have dissipated on the forum threads as far as I can tell. It seems like logic and decorum have won over the forum participants who know prefer to discuss in an educated manner without trying to one up each other. I guess the clients have made their choices with regards to the writers they wish to use and the writers themselves are now confident that they have gained a steady enough stream of clients to not have to bother with trying to put down each other.

I can only hope that this peace will last and that everyone, specially among the new writers signing up for membership here will be spared all of the bickering and tantrums that seemed to have been the highlight of this forum some years back. It is important that all the writers conduct themselves professionally on this board if they are to win over new clients and retain their old roster. I'm happy to be a forum participant even though I am not here to win clients. I am just here to share my thoughts and discuss with everyone else.

I am glad to see everyone finally getting along. Cheers! Here's to the continued level headed and mature public discourse that now exists here !!!