Using paper as guide

Do students who order papers from essay writing companies really use the paper as a guide as opposed to submitting it as their own?
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Do the companies who state that papers belong to them and should not hand it in as their own, really believe students do that, or do they only state this as to not get into trouble by the authorities?

companies state this to avoid legal trouble, and customers agree to it because they have no choice. as to who follows it, it's anyone's guess. mine is that the majority of customers hand the essays in as-is, or with very minor "changes" (adding a couple of sentences and putting their name on it). a lot of customers are doing this because they have no time; why would they spend the extra time reading, interpreting, and rewriting the essay they bought? it makes no sense. anyone who believes that the majority of students use these pre-written essay-mill papers as "references" is either fooling themselves, or trying to fool you.

Why do students buy Cliff Notes? Why do students check-out previous students' dissertations and theses from their university libraries? You're clueless. Don't project your devious nature onto others.


Only to someone who is inherently dishonest . . . .

No one would pay a large sum and re-work the work they get. They pass it off as their own.

it's a matter of logic. a student is rushed for time... they're over-committed with work, family, school, etc. life sucks; there's no time for anything. they can't drop out, so they spend $150 on an essay, which is written by someone who gets their professor's exact instructions. are you seriously suggesting that this person then uses the pre-written essay made to their exact specifications as Cliff's Notes? it's not a reflection of my dishonesty-- it's a reflection of logic. it's also a glimpse at the the two-faced nature of the industry, which, due to legal constraints, hides behind the "research guide" front. it's BS, and if you believe it, you're, as I said, either a fool, or trying to fool others.

while we're on the subject of being two-faced, WB, you're a male pretending to be a female, and you work for ET, while pretending to be an objective scam-buster. speaking of inherent dishonesty...

Gee, too bad that the evidence proves you wrong . . . .


I am not "suggesting" anything. Get that through your ignorant skull. The evidence that I posted from a FEDERAL COURT CASE proves that not all students who buy papers turn them in as-is or attempt to otherwise cheat. The evidence supports my assertion, as 7 out of 8 Boston University students who bought papers (as outlined in the BU case) referenced the term paper site correctly! Hey, don't let facts get in the way of your propaganda machine.


Wow, I would love for you to name your source. Do you have the intestinal fortitude to do so? Coward.

WB, you know little about Statistics, do you? A $8 bn industry, millions of students who use term paper sites and you post an evidence which uses 8 students as sample size. Anyway, anyone who can think logically (WB, you can't) will know that students are hard pressed for time and they do not have time or inclination to rewrite the essays they have ordered.

While only a loon would trust any inference made from a sample size of 8 and only a loonier loon would do so without reviewing the court case in question in detail, one thing is clear from the BU case (without making any loony statistical inferences): students can GET CAUGHT if they DO NOT cite the essays that they buy properly. Remember, only 7 out of 8 students were cleared in the case, I don't think we need to guess what happened to the 1 who wasn't.

If the courts were able to compel the company in the BU case to confirm that the 8 students in question did buy essays from them, and further compel them to provide copies of the purchased essays for comparison with the students' own work, any student who buys from a company and misuses what he/she buys is at risk of ruining his or her academic reputation.

Let that be a warning. If you're a client, next time you buy from a company, make sure that you cite the work properly.

This means that you need to indicate in your reference/works cited/bibliography page the author of the work you bought, the title of the work (which of course would be very similar to if not exactly the same as the title of your own work), and the company that you bought it from. Here is a sample citation for a report on labor laws in the U.S.

Mann, H. (2011). A Report on Labor Laws in the United States. Essay Mill Inc.

Keep safe. ^_^

exactly-- and then WB has the nerve to say "I win," based on this pathetic manipulation of statistics. WB, you are a sample size of one that proves everyone on the internet is an idiot.


Cyberwriter008 (2011). Order 10832. Undisclosed Location: Term Papers Inc.

yeah, I'm sure tons of customers do this.

What is the "loony" statistical inference that I'm making, oh, mighty Queen of Propaganda? Why do you keep trying to misrepresent my position? Have the guts to clarify your accusation. Oh, wait, that's right-you can't, because you know damn well that I have made my position crystal clear:


Nothing more, nothing less; get it, simpletons?

Hey, EW_writer, I challenge you to quote me stating that the 7/8 evidence represents the average of all students. I bet that I can quote you stating the equivalent of "ALL students who buy papers cheat." Do you accept my challenge?

Editor75, you are truly an idiot. (Hey, what happened to your "let's all be friends" plea?) Do you not understand English? You and other idiots have claimed that ALL students who buy papers cheat. I posted proof to the contrary. Why is that so difficult for you to understand, and why do you and other idiots insists on twisting my position?

speaking of twisting positions, would you care to quote where I claimed that all students who buy papers cheat? I'm very careful about my use of absolutes on this message board, because it tends to be inhabited by such nit-picky, spiteful asses.


don't you remember? you went out of your way to counter it, first by insulting me, and then, when I disarmed you, by stating your stubborn, anti-social attitude about the impossibility of civility in this forum.

Am I surprised that editor75 completely ignored my substantive points and challenges? No. He has no choice because he is both a liar and a nitwit.


Wow-how about reading your own posts on THIS PAGE, for example?

Again, wow, you are truly sick in the head. You have quite the selective memory, nutjob.


I'm still waiting for you to quote where I communicated any such belief. Why can't you do so?

Jeez... here's a classic case of wanting to have your pie and eat it too. WB wants to limit her position to "NOT ALL people submit the essays they buy for credit." This statement is very easy to defend because all one needs to do is to cite an instance when a student did not submit a purchased essay for credit. Furthermore, the statement is actually the direct contradictory of the statement "ALL people submit the essays they buy for credit" which is something that EVERYONE has conceded to be false.

Yet WB is trying to pass off her evidence for "NOT ALL people submit the essays they buy for credit" as evidence for "Only 1 out of 8 people submit the essays they buy for credit." Nobody is contesting the statement that "NOT ALL people submit the essays they buy for credit." (although I still find this hard to believe). However, you clearly do not have any hard evidence to support that "Only 1 out of 8 people submit the essays they buy for credit" or even that "Most people do not submit the essays they buy for credit."

However, my post was not intended for you at all. Like I said, debating on how many students use the papers they buy for credit has little practical worth. The BU case is useful primarily for showing students that if they use anything from a paper that they purchased from a company, they have to cite the paper properly. Otherwise, they can end up like that one person in the BU case who was proven to not have misused the paper that he bought.

The BU case also brought up the following points:
1.) Companies keep the essays that you buy from them.
2.) Companies keep the financial details that you give them for purposes of payment.
3.) Companies may be compelled to give the information above to authorities.

Now, doesn't that make everyone feel all warm and tingly inside? ^_^

LMAO! You didn't concede a damn thing until AFTER I proved you to be an idiot and you had no choice but to admit that you were wrong. Other idiots STILL have not done so.

You're a waste of time and space.


REALLY? Where's a quote in which I claim ANY such thing? AGAIN, you ******* fat-ass moron, the ONLY reason why I posted the 7/8 evidence is because MORONS like you claimed that "all" students cheat. End of story. STOP trying to misrepresent my position/argument. At no time have I EVER claimed or suggested that "only 1 out of 8 students cheat." I would not make such a claim because supporting evidence does NOT exist.


Simply hilarious . . . . You have the nerve to state that I do not have evidence to prove an assertion that I have NEVER made, yet you can't post evidence for ANY assertion at all!


Where's your evidence? It's so cute has you state as fact your hollow assumptions. I don't really care about what may or may not have happened to that student; I just find your "debating" skills incredibly misleading and dishonest.

I did not concede because of your "evidence." In conceded because an "ALL" argument can almost never (I say "almost" because just saying "never" turns this very statement into another "ALL" argument) be defended properly.

But hey, if you were NEVER trying to imply that most students do not use the papers that they purchase for credit then there's really no argument anymore.

Like I said, there's little point in arguing about it. What matters is that based on the BU case, it is clear that:

1.) Companies keep the essays that you buy from them.
2.) Companies keep the financial details that you give them for purposes of payment.
3.) Companies may be compelled to give the information above to authorities.


So he/she was forgiven by his professor for cheating and he/she eventually graduated with honors? Seriously... we don't even need to know precisely what happened to the student. Even in the bizzaro world where the student was forgiven, what happened between the student and the university cannot be considered as the same thing that would happen to another student who gets caught red-handed in another university. The point is, STUDENTS CAN GET CAUGHT IF THEY DO NOT CITE THE PAPER THAT THEY BOUGHT PROPERLY. ^__^

you really like losing, don't you? the quote is right in that very statement-- when I say "anyone who wants you to believe differently is either a fool, or trying to fool you," and you assume that I mean you... yet again. you really need to stop doing that.


as for your trying the same trick, it's not so successful. where do you see me saying ALL clients turn their papers in directly? --because that's your accusation. you said nothing about logic... big surprise. on this page, I have simply tried to explain how it's logical that most students would not use their papers as the legal caveats warn them to, but nowhere do I use the absolute "all." and you're telling me about selective memory?


you're the one with the selective memory... and it's probably because you're stubbornly stuck, yet again, behind a position that's not defensible (and from which you're now desperately trying to distance yourself).

How very lame and predictable . . . . But hey, great job avoiding my challenge! COWARD.


What position would that be? Why can't you pretend that you have some balls for once and quote the position that you claim me to have taken? I'll be waiting for you to man-up.


Here you go, yet again, making false statements about my positions and asserting as fact what is merely your ill-informed assumption. Where did I state that the student was forgiven? You can't seem to get it through that crooked brain of yours that proving such an assertion requires evidence. Unlike you, I don't do that. I come prepared and make assertions that I can actually prove. That clear difference between us aside, let's address why you intentionally and repeatedly continue to misrepresent my positions and statements (which lead the brain-dead, clueless parrot, Editor75, to echo your dishonesty).

1. Where's the quote (EVER) in which I assert that 7/8 students (in general) cite properly?
2. Where's the quote (EVER) in which I assert that 1/8 students (in general) cheat?
3. Where's the quote (EVER) in which I assert that the cheating BU student either was or was not punished?


Oh, and I also like how you make that ancillary statement as if it were EVER something that I denied or with which I disagree. Obviously, improper referencing is a no-no. Any college student should know that. The need for proper citation applies to any referenced quote/idea from any source.

you're the one in internet drag...

but whatever, as to proof of the position I claim that you've taken, it's right here (and right up there). you might want to get your eyes checked before you challenge someone to define a position you've made in that very thread... even lazy people like me can shoot fish in a barrel.


now, please explain how your "assertion" here differs so greatly from your "position," and enlighten us all: if this isn't your position, then what is?

Gosh... you really can't read, can you?

Like I said, it does not even matter whether or not the cheating BU student was punished for being found out. The point is that the student was found out because...

1.) Companies keep the essays that you buy from them.
2.) Companies keep the financial details that you give them for purposes of payment.
3.) Companies may be compelled to give the information above to authorities.


Sheesh.. did I ever claim that you denied this? Allow me to reiterate that the main value of the BU case has nothing to do with your argument.

I can read quite well, actually. What I'm doing is proving that you are a filthy liar and intentional misrepresenter. Once again, you don't admit that you are lying and/or wrong until after I leave you with no choice but to do so. Thanks for proving my point, and thanks for playing.

Now, why don't you explain why you continually misrepresent my positions? Are you so incapable of fair debate that you have to intentionally lie?


Seriously-you're incompetent.

that's not an answer; it's an insult. you've painted yourself into a corner, where you're acting like a cornered rat.

I'll ask again: if your "assertion" above isn't your position, what is?

To what "corner" are you referring? Dude, you're too funny. EW_writer already acknowledged that she has no proof that I made ANY of those assertions. Do you? I suggest that you stop highlighting your ignorance.

Do yourself a favor by going back to school. For the last time, I took absolutely NO POSITIONS on the matter whatsoever, other than to assert that others' ignorant claim that "all students who buy papers use them to cheat" is false. Get it? For all that is good and holy, please educate yourself if you're going to expose your statements to the public.

I'm referring to the corner into which you're backed, where you can't answer a simple question about what seems to be your indefensible assertion regarding this issue (see above). I'm not asking you for proof; I already have that. I'm asking you, if you're going to deny this proof, to define your real position on this issue, so that we can all be enlightened. everybody makes mistakes; if your initial assertion was mistaken, or we're mistaken about it, this is your chance to tell us what you really think. I'm not sure why it's so difficult for you.

I don't turn the paper in as-is. I always go through it and rewrite to fix my writing style.

Fact is, I am just not good at paper composition....

This is site exists to help people like myself. If someone is vehemently opposed to the whole process, then WHY COME ON HERE??

This is not the ****** about the term paper industry.com".

JG, doesn't your school offer tutors who offer tips on composition for free? teachers can help you with that, too. why do you need to pay top dollar for an essay, when you can get that service for free?

Why do you find it so very difficult to clearly state what you purport my position to be? Stop telling me to "see above." There is nothing to see. Why don't you stop being such a sniveling coward and be specific? What's my "position"? Answer, and I'll be more than happy to embarrass you yet again.


JG5769, it's because he is a complete loser. Just ignore him.

see above. how does this not look absurd to you? you're the one being cowardly-- I keep asking you what your position is, and you keep insulting me. it makes it look like you're afraid to answer.

Can you not understand simple English?


Again, what is this "position" that YOU ignorantly and falsely assert I have taken? You can't keep repeating EW_writer's false statements about my "position" because she has acknowledged that she has no proof whatsoever that I took such positions. Now, what are you going to do-admit that you are an ignorant, clueless buffoon for misrepresenting my positions, or post evidence that I have taken such "positions"?

again:


your assertion seems to be that the majority of students use their papers as references, because that's what your evidence supports. your assertion has now apparently changed to, "I don't have an assertion; I was just challenging your and EW's use of absolutes." but you've still not managed to find any proof that I mentioned any such absolutes. I don't know about EW. my question to you, if you would care to answer it instead of throwing a temper tantrum, is: what is your position? do you think that most students use their papers as references, as it seems? "I don't have a position," is a really weak cop-out, because this is obviously an issue you've thought about, and in which you're invested.

Wrong, you ******* moron. The evidence supports my assertion that not "all" students who buy papers cheat. Wake the fu*- up and learn how to read. You "seem" to be an idiot.

Wouldn't it have been easier to simply admit that you ignorantly misrepresented my position instead of LYING, DENYING, and BURYING yourself even deeper?


It's not a "cop-out" because I never cared to take a position in the first place. You took it upon yourself to LIE about me having taken a position! Posting the BU evidence NEVER had anything to do with whether or not I feel that "most" students who buy papers do or do not cheat. (I don't give a damn, and I never argued the point either way.) In fact, I have-multiple times-clearly stated such. Why can't you get that through the 6-inch-thick skull of yours?

WB: this is an issue that directly involves your customers. to say you don't care reflects a very poor attitude.

You get dumb students who get a D- and all of a sudden they start getting A+'s by handing in work they didnt write themselves. Surely this will raise a few eyebrows.

1. I don't have customers. Do you have yet another ignorant, baseless accusation to make?

2. Good job changing the subject again because you won't admit that you are a liar and an idiot. You're pathetic.

I'm a middle aged man who has a career, works full time and goes to grad school on-line. I don't have a tutor to go see, and I don't have the time. I am the kind of customer writers should love. Newspapers are dying off like the plague....people who provide work fror writers allow some writers to do what they love, versus waiting tables at a restaurant. Lucky for writers, not for me. Graduate studies seem to be more concerned about ones ability with composition, than they do advanced study in a discipline.

I came here looking for a professional writer or two. I have found a couple. Can always use more contacts. My money is good....writers are employed, it's a win-win. Again, I don't turn in verbatim work. It is combed over and modified throughly. Cut and paste from a book isn't good enough.

So, as you can see, I'm not some lazy assed 19 year old, who wnats to go drink and have someone else do their homework.

Have a nice evening.:)

WB: I am done with you. go ahead and claim to have no position or opinion on this issue; I've already quoted your "assertion."

JG: I don't believe you modify your papers. I'm sure you look them over, but if they pass your muster, I bet you change nothing. I don't have any proof; I just don't believe you'd pay for a paper written to your professor's specs, and then rewrite it, to save time. it doesn't make sense. and whether you're an over-committed older student or 19, doesn't mean a thing.

No, you didn't, you ******* lying monkey. I pummeled you yet again; nothing new on that front.


Translation:
I don't know s-i* and I have no proof, but I'm going to continue to misrepresent as facts my ignorant-ass assumptions about other people that are based on projections of my own, inherent deviance and dishonesty.

"I have already formed my opinions about everything, even though I do not possess any direct knowledge about anything. When other people say things I don't agree with, I simply refuse to believe them, which makes me feel better about my blind beliefs. I am a useful and productive member of society, and you can't tell me any different."

you can declare yourself the victor all you want. anyone can read your "assertion."


after the sneering tone of your first two sentences, this is a confusing break. I wonder if you're jealous of useful people. do you sometimes feel bad about what you do, pheelyks? don't tell me...

in any case, I'm not projecting deviance-- I'm projecting logic. if your argument is "I did this to save time," then why would you pay all that extra money for a custom essay in order to start a process (reading, analyzing, and rewriting the essay) that adds time?

So why can't you quote it, moron? You're a human joke.


Yeah, faulty logic . . . . How do you explain the 7 out of 8 BU students who bought papers and properly cited the term paper site?

my logic is sound... and those are the exact negligible statistics that you've tarted up and trotted out again and again to prove your assertion. how dense can you get?