Words per page only 225 or 250? CUSTOMERS BEWARE!

You obviously have not read my posts against UKessays - or do they not count as this is not a BRITISH forum?

Check out my success with JenniferAA - do you see her posting her drivel on here anymore. Did I not highlight her company's fraudulent practice and have I not contacted the Bar COuncil, Law Society and ILEX.

No one is doubting your successes I am merely questioning the need to resort to personal attacks. I think you could achieve the same aim without debasing yourself in such a way. The impetus of your arguments is often lost through the use of personal attacks.

You have a bad habit of mischaracterizing my comments. I didn't say that I perceived your question as an insult. I said that it was the first inclusion of personal information (which it was) after you accused me of getting personal. My response is here:


So, take back your apology all you want (if you can take it back, it's fairly clear you didn't mean it anyway - which is frankly fairly condescending) b/c I didn't think it was an insult. The real insults came later and I'm not holding my breath for an apology.

Look, if you think my question about your academic experience was an insult, I'll tell you how to avoid having it happen again - don't use your "extensive academic experience" as evidence. That's a fallacy called an appeal to authority and I was certainly within conversational bounds to ask you to clarify since that was the basis of your argument.


You just admitted that you used marketing information from ********* to build a case about why word count is important. Don't you think it's fairly problematic for you to present word count as a sign of fraud on this forum, knowing that it is a clear marketing tool for a company? And you don't even disclose that you got the information from their site? I honestly find that very troubling. Do you make it a habit of getting information about potential frauds from their financial competitors?

This site is supposed to be about exposing frauds, not about promoting any particular sites. But you're using information gained from one site to promote the view in the minds of readers that they should buy papers... based upon factors that privilege that site. You don't see a clear conflict of interest there? It's no different from me or anyone else picking a characteristic of a site and blowing it up into a big thread about why that one characteristic is the best way to evaluate frauds, knowing that the information will lead readers to patronize one company.

Give me a break! I didn't use any "marketing information!" The damn thread is about WORD COUNT! Did you miss that part? So, of course I'm going to take information about each site concerning WORD COUNT. I used facts from each site. You're the one who came in and started defending Papermasters as if it were your own, knowing perfectly well that I had defended Papermasters myself in the past! You then accuse me of working for *********. Tell me--why did you not accuse me of also working for Papermasters? It didn't work well with your witch-hunt argument, that's why! Your baseless accusations are a joke. And, by the way, until you apologize for your "jerk" comments, which were CLEARLY intentional, I have nothing else to say to you.

Again, you completely mischaracterize my statements.
Don't ever accuse anyone of poor comprehension skills after this. Instead of reading what I'm writing, you're simply attacking my comments blindly with comments that do not apply.

First, you didn't use word count information from each of the sites. You didn't even know that Papermasters had word information until I pointed it out (and you in fact erroneously claimed that they didn't have it on their site and that they were fraudulent because of it - effectively blaming them for your inability to find the information).

The sequence of events was:
1) WB claims that all legit companies use Times New/300 words
2) WB claims that PM is fraudulent because they don't include wording information
3) Once that wording information is found, WB claims it's not linked to the PM site
4) Once it's pointed out that the wording information IS, in fact, linked to the site, WB rambles on about how it's too hard to find the information.

A ludicrous series of events, frankly. You made incorrect assertions at point 1, 2, 3 and instead of backing down, you just keep going, full steam ahead.

And, you aren't just using facts from the sites. You are adopting the same line of logic used by *********'s website. You even borrowed the word count (225 for Courier) and the 10 page paper example (you couldn't even be creative enough to use a 5 page paper example or do some variance).

But hey, I'll give you a chance to explain yourself. Maybe you did get the word count information from other sites as well. You said "So, of course I'm going to take information about each site concerning WORD COUNT" - so what other sites did you get your information from, besides *********?


I didn't defend Papermasters "as if they are my own." This is your way of trying to associate me with them to delegitimize my comments. It doesn't work. And I didn't just talk about Papermasters. I also brought up another company who uses Courier New who isn't a fraud.

You should learn to not speak in absolutes. It would do wonders for your posts.


I never once accused you of working for *********. Not once. In fact, I said I really hope that you don't and that I've been right about you in the past. Anyone reading this thread can see that except, apparently, you. I said that you using ********* website information as the basis of your argument and using wording that so closely emulates their website content looks bad. It does. Two different arguments.

And the witch hunt comment demonstrates once again that you are simply incapable of disagreeing with someone about the content of an argument. You have to personalize it.

I have zero personal reason to conduct a "witch hunt" against you. I'm a well-educated American writer and from a personal standpoint, you write a lot of things that probably benefit me in the long term. We agree on lots of things on this forum and this is the first time in over a year that we've seriously disagreed, but you still jump to the same old tired "witch-hunt" accusation. If I were really interested in a "witch-hunt," I would have started before now.


You accused me of falsifying data and associated me with frauds. Nothing I said before then even comes close to that. I've defended you in the past and instead of attempting to be civil, you drag this into the sewer every chance you get. I'd say "obnoxious jerk" is tame compared to your insults and you're oh so cute way of including profanities with little * symbols.

You refusing to talk to me isn't a punishment, despite what you think. I look forward to you not continuing to mischaracterize my statements (I can hope anyway).

Lavinia, look, I'm tired of this. I could go line-by-line and post rebuttals, but I'm not going to do so. I'm not here to argue with you.

This all started because YOU jumped to conclusions, wrongly assuming that I was referring to Papermasters. You dropped names, not me. All you had to do was send me a private message to ask for clarifications and the name of the site, at which time I could have both explained more clearly and posted those clarifications for everyone else. You never gave me that opportunity, claiming that you didn't know that the private message system is functional. As far as I know, it has never been down. I receive PM's frequently. You didn't even try.


Wrong. You insinuated that I am "chilling" for *********. You then went on to list reasons why Papermasters is preferable to *********, and I had the restraint to NOT return the favor against you because I do not make accusations or ask loaded question to which I already know the answer just to purposely make you LOOK bad. Despite my restraint, you kept doing it to me.


You already know the answer. As you have stated recently, you've been a member for over a year and involved in the VERY discussions that address the matter. So, why did you ask a question to which you already know the answer? It couldn't be to impugn my character, could it?

Oh, and then:


Why? Because I used word-count and font data from their site, which is also readily available on many other sites? Is that worse than YOUR flat-out promotion in the form of reasons as to why Papermasters is better? Why do YOU get the benefit of the doubt and I don't?

Did I harp on THIS?


No, I didn't. You, however, seized upon the opportunity to make accusations in the form of loaded questions to which you ALREADY KNOW the answers.

You keep overlooking the fact that I IMMEDIATELY apologized once I discovered that you had taken as an insult a simple question that I did not MEAN to be taken as an insult. (Do you or do you not work for both ********* and PaperMaster, either now or in the past, either concurrently or at different times? It is possible that I confused you with FreelanceWriter.) Everything that you are pissed about I already apologized for, retracted, or expanded upon what I meant, including the "falsified" wording. You have apologized for nothing. So, that's where we stand.

You know what, Lavinia, this is ridiculous, all around. I admit that, sometimes (or a lot of the time), my aggressive, "debate team" nature gets the best of me. You have always been one of the select few members for whom I have had sincere respect. I think that some ill-advised wording and misunderstandings have gotten way out-of-hand. Plus, when you have two pitbulls in a ring, rarely does one back down until damage has long since been done. I leave you with my truest apology.

WB i notice that you have chosen to ignore my response to you with regard to your assertion that none of my posts have made any contribution to this forum- is that because you were wrong in your assertion as I easily demonstrated how I have contributed in the topics involving ukessays?

Are you big enough to admit you got this wrong?

Let's get one thing straight: you are meaningless to me. I respect Lavinia. You? Not so much. I owe you nothing, and I will give you nothing.

By the way, I am the one who broke the story about Ukessays hiring ESL writers from Pakistan, NOT YOU! Plus, you were the one desperately seeking my backing against Jennifer/Ukessays, having sent me your little private message with "evidence" for your battle against her. Give me one good reason why I shouldn't post the contents of that message (and your vulgar email address involving female genitalia) since you've become such a cutthroat backstabber.

Oh, and one more thing--you sure as hell didn't have a problem with me being "mean" to Jennifer. Why is that? HYPOCRITE!

EDIT: I was having confrontations with Jennifer and Ukessays LONG before you showed up. You contributed nothing new. Sorry.

Actually what I contributed was the MASSIVE fines the company charges writers AND the fact that Jennifer DOES NOT have the qualifications she claims.

Oh and by the way the email I use from here is a SPOOF email lol Try sending a reply and it won't go anywhere as the account does not exist. Jennifer would NEVER recognise that email address as that WAS NOT the one I used as a writer for the company


I have NEVER claimed responsibility for this. I was CLAIMING responsibility for exposing their EXORBITANT fines, which you know I can OBVIOUSLY prove. I was also exposing the fact that Jennifer is NOT LPC qualified AND that she is breaching the ethics code for barristers and lawyers by promoting a site which encourages them to break the law school rules.


So defending a fellow poster equates in your book to being a cut throat backstabber and there was me thinking it was showing loyalty and compassion to another human being!! Although why I am bothering to explain this to you I do not know since you have demonstrated in your attack on Lavinia that you have no LOYALTY or COMPASSION for anyone.

Wow.. EFL slugfest. :D All this over font? >.< C'mon guys, seriously... :p Then again, it's just like WB to devote an entire thread to worthless crap like this (and ask for it to become a sticky to boot o.O). XD

My input: The only thing that matters with font is that it should be very readable. This means any non-cursive font would do. Besides, the minimum word count per page is usually indicated by sites. In my case, a double-spaced page contains from 250 to about 320 words using Times New Roman.

Dear writers and students,
there is nothing to be concerned with the origin of the company.you only concerned with the quality of writing you get and more importantly unplagiarised paper irrespective of re-written or stolen.Moreover if the writer's having Masters degree and having an extensive experience for morethan 2 years than I think he definitely complete your 10 page paper within 10 days if all instructions will be clear and he may be able to produce best quality reports to satisfy you.

Moreover regarding me I have made morethan 300 reports on various subjects from school essay to theses and dissertation level in which I tried my best to give "Times New Roman,12 inch font with double spaced with maximum 275 words per page".[i][/i]And I am proud of it that I have almost morethan 50% returning customer.

I'm not surprised to see a negative response to this thread from the original crook.

EW_writer, what you think matters not. You're not a consumer. You're an admitted crook and liar--you want consumers to be as ill-informed as possible. You've already proven that fact by making it perfectly clear that you don't care that your employer blatantly lies to clients to secure business. You've also admitted that you intentionally lie to your own, personal clients through EssayBay. So, I hardly think that you're qualified to judge what type of up-front information is important to customers.


Are you suggesting that it doesn't matter if the company lies about its location/qualification or steals a paper as long as what the customer receives is no longer "technically" plagiarized because of strategic editing?


What number would that be, exactly?

Neither are Lavina and exwriter. ^_^ See how poorly you argue? :p


I don't tell the truth to protect my academic reputation and my day job. :) Writing papers for other people isn't exactly what you'd call an honest living, and the research journals with which I am affiliated would be less than pleased to know that this is how I spend my free time. :p

The sweet bottomline is that I am one of essaybay's best writers. :D Clients love my work and I think that it's safe to say based on their feedback about me that they could care less about who I am.

Your point? I didn't start the thread for Lavinia, exwriter, or you. See how poorly you argue?

Yes, we all know your justifications for committing fraud. The REAL bottom line is that the vast majority of ESL writers are not at your level--we both know that. So, please stop trying to make it seem as though my threads/posts about "unqualified" writers are directed at you. You know perfectly well that you're an exception to the general rule when it comes to ESL writers in the essay industry. The problem is that many of these truly unqualified writers--and the sites, like essaywriters.net, that employ them--lie, cheat, and commit fraud. I suspect that most if not all of the ripoff sites accept--and outright plan for--repeat business being off the table. They depend on the extremely high rate of turnover in the consumer base, which enables them to still generate substantial profits by ripping off each customer only once. Who cares if that customer buys again? There is a never-ending stream of "suckers." Every semester there are literally millions of new, potential victims around the world. The ripoff sites could never survive without such a high turnover rate.

My point is that you never pushed the same nonsense at them. ^_^

Sadly, out of all the evidence that you post of this board, it is evidence for things like this that you have none of.

But enough of that same old story, let's get back to the fun of fonts. :D True enough, I have accepted revision requests from customers who've had other writers who used Times New Roman 14 in their work. >.< It's always such a sad, sad thing to see.

Which part do you deny--that there is a high rate of turnover or that ripoff sites heavily depend on first-time orders from new students or students that have never ordered previously?


Right, that's my point. Certain writers/sites use huge fonts, hoping that the consumer focuses only on the number of "pages" rather than word-count.

None. What lacks proof is essaywriters.net (and its other sites) actually being all these. I get many return clients, other writers do as well as I've seem many customers requesting one writer or another.

Well, I feel that their strategic lies about their location, experience, and writers' qualifications are adequate proof:

"For over 10 years now"
"one of the most trusted sources of original works for students around the world"
"written by native English speakers"
"No Indian or Pakistan Freelancers"
"MA and PhD holders"
"We have been in Business since 1997"
"American Company"

bestessays.com

I could go on, but you get the point. Obviously, if Yuri and Olga cared whatsoever about customers, they wouldn't lie. If they were at all worried about customers not ordering a second time after discovering that they've been played for fools, Yuri and Olga wouldn't lie. It's all about turnover and a constant flow of new suckers.

I registered because of this thread (I just spent a good 25 minutes reading it).

I don't know any of you, and I'm neither a "customer" nor a "service provider" (Just a student who happens to write her own papers... ended up here while looking for a place to report some spammers).

People, people, people.

You're wasting precious time (kind of like I did, reading this -- but I couldn't help it, it was so funny!). Internet rule #1: Don't feed the trolls. That includes normal users when displaying trollish behaviour.

Right now you could be making money helping dishonest students cheat on their homework, why would you rather rant and rave about rip-offs? You're all the same, only they're sneaky and incompetent, you're competent and immoral (and WB, since it's pretty clear you do the same, I suggest you stop attacking ew_writer who at least admitted to it)

Oh, and back on-topic: whoever pays for an essay from a company that says "If you have your self written paper, so we can rectify or re-write your paper for you absolutely free of charge" deserves the grade s/he will get by submitting something written by those people. Forget the word count, it's a secondary matter. If I were a teacher I'd have the time of my life reading such papers... and then failing the students while wearing a large, benevolent smile.

Nevermind, I totally agree with your sentiments. I too write my own essays, I do agree however that not all people who use these sorts of sites are in fact just lazy! What happens if they are not able to write the work because they struggle with the language, especially ESL students?

Regarding WB, it is clear for anyone at all who has a spark between their ears to realise that WB is a writer working for Essay Writing sites, i mean for Gods sake he just told everyone he is!.... and it's certainly not a typo!

Quote: "Legitimate companies in the United States provide 300+ words per page, written by QUALIFIED writers like me, which is a much better value."

WB, this entire forum and posts on this site relate to Writers and Essay Writing companies. You yourself have stated that you contact these companies and have done your investigations etc etc. If you are not related to Essay Writing companies then you would'nt be so interested in them. If you were a writer but not one connected to Essay Writing companies then you would be on Forums that are connected to that type of industry.

You state that you post on so many other forums, please can you provide at least 5 URL links to 5 other sites that you have posted on?

You are your own worst enemy because from your posts one can clearly see that you are in fact a writer working for Essay Writing companies however your denial of this makes your posts even the more uncredible.

What is the problem with you actually admitting that you do write for these companies?

The other thing I have discovered is that you dont actually need to promote your own site on this forum, by slagging off and saying you have 'investigated' all these sites, it leaves little option for people reading these forums to select the only 'other' sites that have not been slagged off or investigated.

SHE!!!

Wrong. Get your facts straight before making IGNORANT accusations.


Well, well, well, another liar has joined us, with the sole purpose of attacking me. Isn't is convenient how IT doesn't also include one of the 10,000 different quotes in which I clearly explain that I do not write for essay sites? Move along--you bring no new accusations to the table, only the same, baseless garbage without a shred of evidence.

Writes Beware,
What you think that you are one of the good writer?I think that you suffer from superiority as well as inferiority complex.Moroever all the information that you provided uptill now are all fake and I advice you to go and update with the market price...

I hope you will understand MR.WB

yes me think me good write


I would love to see you prove it. LMAO!

I thought you only had 1701 posts on this forum?


Ok, answer the question that I posed to you which is..


Waiting for your response!

Sorry, Mr. "2 Posts." You registered with this forum for the sole purpose of posting false accusations about me. So, prove your initial accusations or get lost. Don't even THINK about demanding that others answer your questions until you MAN-UP first!

As you can see, I did not 'Demand' that you answer my question..


, this is what i said.

How many posts does one need to make on this site before they are worthy to receive an answer to a simple question?

I actually came on the forum to respond to NeverMinds post which was the last post at the top of the forum when i first visited the homepage. He had stated


The first lines of my first post are directed to him/her where I say..


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Maybe had Nevermind responded to my posts I would be ranting with him/her now instead of you perhaps?

I admit that I can no more prove that you write for Essay writing sites than your own posts on the matter do, or no more than the interest you show in such services and anything related to them.

Is it now fair to answer my question, pretty please?

I do not cooperate with calculating liars. Sorry. You stated your false accusations as FACT, so I will not humor you with an answer. Sorry. (I have already answered that question in this forum. Use the search function.)

Precisely. It is most fortunate that your "feelings" aren't really seriously considered by most of the more sensible people here.

You'd just LOVE for new visitors to think that, wouldn't you? You WANT essaywriters.net's FRAUD to continue because it puts money in your pocket.

As much as you'd like to deny that my efforts help people, I receive a steady stream of emails and private messages--through this forum and others--thanking me for saving them from being RIPPED OFF.

Sigh... now you're trying to pass your nonexistent fanmail off as proof. :p How pathetic can ya' get? ^_^

Don't believe me? Ask the moderator.

Oh, and by the way, there was a POST just a couple days ago thanking me for my efforts. So much for your false accusations, crook.

*Yawn* How do those pass off as conclusive evidence showing that essaywriters.net "heavily depend(s) on first-time orders from new students or students that have never ordered previously" again? :p

Sigh.. it's almost too easy whipping your ass here over and over.. and over again. ^_^

LMAO.

By the way, here's yet another consumer "thank you" from TODAY:

I's clear why you hate me so much. Once again, I apologize for hampering your dirty lifestyle.

EW_writer, following is a recent post concerning one of your fellow criminals who uses disgusting tactics with which I'm sure you have no problem:

https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/good-writers-753/#msg10525

Why can't you comprehend that no matter how many times troll accounts here thank you, those comments do not pass off as conclusive evidence that essaywriters.net does not deliver qiuality work to its clients.

One more thing, why is it that you're the first to mouth off against troll accounts being such when they go against you yet you don't seem to have any problem with them when they go and praise you? :p

Score? ^_^


Err... I don't hate you, you're my mid-day entertainment. :) I already have too much work on my plate for you to hamper anything, if you get what I mean. XD

EW_writer = loser

WB you know you've lost an argument when you have to resort to name calling. I pity the

foo?

MORON ALERT!


Hey, joneszr (akuma), we'll let consumers decide who's "lost" the argument.

To WB - Lavinia and co.

I hope (for your own sakes) that you are all teenagers - then I'd say you'd still have a chance....

Sayonara wallies...

This thread is hilarious!! :)

Chicken + Rambo = Chambo