You don't write math papers, do you? : ) $150/4 !=$50+, it's more like $37. I guess providing full-text sources used in the paper isn't for free.. and that's why the price may be higher than expected. Other known research services like UK Essays charge $60-$70 per page. Is it worth it or not - it's up to students to decide.

I guess 80-90% of freelance writers work for more than one writing agency (to make it possible to earn enough money); some of them have their own websites and actually directly compete with the company they have freelance writing contracts with ;). But that's how this business works.

Exactly; legitimate American/UK companies must pay 20-40% to the government and still try to keep their prices as low as possible.

Tax-free life: one of the main reasons for essay writing websites to be located in Pakistan?

Maybe that's the reason so many essay writing businesses are located in Pakistan? :)


video.nytimes.com/video/2010/07/18/world/asia/1247468421481/tax-free-living-in-pakistan.html

I don't want to beat a dead horse, but what they offer is wrong (and is likely to be perceived the wrong way by their prospective customers because it encourages cheating). Even the most 'fraudulent' websites don't have the cheek to offer something like that:

To get your mark guaranteed, simply: get your guaranteed grade

* Order your custom essay
* Use it to write your own piece of work
* Send it back to us to mark
* Make any recommended changes
* Hand it in and get the mark you ordered

ukessays.com/guarantee-final-mark.php

I guess any company may add / remove their domain at any time now. Just read the instructions :)

Maybe someone could explain the role of the 'admin' or 'customer support'? The description above doesn't fit in my understanding of an admin because it suggests admin could do his/her job randomly at any time of the day as long as some pre-scheduled tasks is completed.

How about customer support (phone or live chats), doesn't admin or customer support need to be there whenever customers need them? Of course, it cannot be a customer support person from Pakistan or Ukraine and then it does not come cheap at all. It usually requires a full-time job of some EDUCATED people to do a professional customer support or admin job.

That's why it's crucial that customers should make an educated decision and buy from genuine and US-based companies to help them with their research and writing. Otherwise they risk being charged the "US rate" and be assigned a writer from Albonia.

"Shady companies" usually hire ESL (unqualified) writers from 3rd-world countries and for them (the writers) $6-$8 is actually a very good rate.

You need to realize a company that charges $25 actually gets paid $24 (after transaction fees). Still, in your previous post you wrote a company that pays $12-$15 is a shady company, why did you change your mind and now think $15 is OK? :)

Maybe companies should pay the 'ethical rate' of $20 per page (charging $25 at the same time) and get about 17% commission (if that was the case who would want to run a company in the first place? : ).

If a company charges $25 per page (250 words), how much would they have to pay the writer to be an 'ethical company'?

I agree, let's just hope something will dramatically change in November ;). If someone has any news or thoughts on that, let's discuss it here. For now I think the 'research and writing service' field doesn't belong to the proposed category.

S-Corporation - tax increase for writing and research services?


Hm, how about the recent proposal/changes to S-Corporations taxes? Will the change apply to 'essay writing business' too?


From: startupcompanylawblog.com/2010/06/articles/choice-of-entity/how-will-proposed-new-taxes-on-s-corporation-shareholders-affect-startup-technol ogy-companies/

My understanding is they MUST contact administrator from the domain (like email@companydomain) they wish to include on the list.

Maybe it could be classified an invasion of privacy and it was moved to this private forum?

Someone make a screenshot ;).

Nonsense :).

That is a very important point to remember.

Perhaps the main reason is to keep it posting under one username so that when the time comes and some authorities take action against it, it will have no excuse that it has only posted a few messages under one UsernameX nickname...

Some members said they would take action against it -- unless it's not the case any more?

You're probably confused about sites - which sites is this site discussing and libeling or promoting (from your message it appears this site was started to slander/libel any particular sites - if that's the case, which ones?).

Besides, how do you determine something is a lie or not? Most of the messages posted here are opinions, not facts, because in 90% cases it's not possible to determine if something is true or not. If someone writes you are a dumb liar, it's their opinion based on your posts or other criteria, but it doesn't mean it's the ultimate truth. Hence the disclaimers and TOS.

I'm sure it does not, otherwise the system would not be too smart ;).

Good idea, maybe it will be done, eventually :

It looks like email validation is working now?

Why? If you cannot support your claim your post doesn't make any sense..

So in your book the words "provision" or "limitation" do not exist. I'm not sure how one can argue with your assumptions.


My point was that I don't feel it's honest that the company has two or more cakes and only pay for one.


I'd like to hear opinions of active writers here; I don't think they would think my position is silly.


Right. But the policy that has provisions or limitations mutually accepted by both parties also complies with the law.


Right. In my example the writer also gets paid a fair, mutually acceptable fee for his labor but at the same time doesn't let the company (and him/herself) to make extra profits of his labor in the future.


Who is holding a gun to the writers' heads in my example?


What I'm suggesting is that if BOTH parties mutually agree to do whatever they wish with their copyright ownership they can freely do so and their agreement is valid.


IF I wanted to, I would make an agreement with him and such agreement would be a legal and valid agreement.


He has the right to peel off the paint IF WE MUTUALLY AGREE he has the right to peel off the paint. But in your book it's illegal and invalid if we make such an agreement..


Great, then I'm going to sue amazon.com, not the manufacturer, the next time I buy a battery that exploded and killed my cat.

My position is that writers who give up copyrights to their papers AND allow the company to make multiple sales of their papers (while they are being paid only once) is not a fair business practice [at least from the writer's point of view].

To me the fairest situation is that either the two parties (ie. the writer and the company) share revenues from possible multiple sales or no party does.

But you're right that there are different business models and your defending a particular business model and my defending another model is understandable.


So you suggest that an agreement between a writer and a company that the writer keeps copyrights, but at the same time agrees not to sell the work to more than one customer is unenforceable/invalid?

What does it mean 'cannot'? Is it illegal if they make such an agreement? Would such agreement be invalid? You're trying to make up the laws or your own interpretations that suit your own position, but that doesn't mean the position is one and the only legal way.

To sum up, companies should get some useful information in this thread and hopefully all of them will comply with the laws as any legitimate company should do.

Then it may suggest that no agreement between the writer and the comopnay has any bearing on the existing laws. If a company advertises 'no resell for X months' policy and has internal "agreement" with each writer, does the agreement really matter?


The writer grants exclusive rights (and gives up his resell/publish rights) to the produced work to the client.

There is nothing to transfer since the copyright ownership was never transfered to the company.


If the company freelance writer explicitly agrees not to publish or resell the work other than to grant exclusive rights to the work to the customer then there's probably nothing more interesting to see.


Good point.

So you suggest that there is no way (and it may be even illegal) for a contracted writer to keep the rights to the work?

The point is - the company can choose if it wants to keep the copyrights of the produced work or not. Some companies prefer to make more money and keep the rights to be able to resell the work to multiple customers, some not.

That means the contracted writer CAN (and does) retain the copyrights to the work he/she produced and s/he CAN re-sell the rights to the client through his/her agent (ie. through the company). The company does not own copyrights - ONLY the contracted writer (who shares the copyrights with his/her customer) does.

Right, but the company does not pay the contracted writer anything extra just because it retains copyright ownership. So if the writer sells copyrights to the company, why the company is not willing to sell the rights to their clients..

Then why some companies use a dangerous marketing tactic of 'a courtesy waiting period' that allows their clients to legally submit the paper as their own (without them appearing in search engines or other online databases)? Doesn't it tell the clients 'don't worry, we won't publish/re-sell your paper for at least X months just because that should be enough time for you to earn a credit'?

So that may suggest it is illegal to write and sell papers for compensation. And out of the two companies (Company TRANSFER - one that transfers copyrights) versus (Company NON-TRANSFER - one that does not transfer copyrights) the company that does transfer copyrights causes 'less harm.'

Here is why:

Imagine you are a bar club owner. A person who doesn't look 21 tells the owner (who is a bartender at the same time): "I'd like to have a beer, please." Both the "Company TRANSFER" and the "Company NON-TRANSFER" owners don't ask for ID because they want to think the person has a legal age to drink a beer. The "Company TRANSFER" owner just sells the beer and takes the money. The "Company NON-TRANSFER" owner sells the beer, takes the money, but before he hands the beer to the customer he peels off the "excise label" so that when a policeman comes he could have an excuse that the beer wasn't sold at his place. At the same time, he could legally sell extra beer that was gathered off other clients' half-empty bottles again to other customers because he would re-use the 'legal' labels that he 'saved' on the 'almost-legal' customers.

The act of peeling off the excise label (ie. the act of selling a model *custom* essay without copyright transfer) suggests that the seller is informed or has reason to believe the product he sells is intended for illegal usage. Otherwise, why would he peel off the label?

Of course, the "Company NON-TRANSFER" makes double money on selling beer to suspicious clients and re-using the labels, but - in my opinion - they also risk double charges for possible illegal activities.

So in other words, currently there is NO LAW that prohibits a transfer of a model academic work to another person.

Ok, so you posted a bunch of links and I only found one mention regarding copyright transfer (in NY state):

law.justia.com/newyork/codes/education/edn0213-b_213-b.html

Is there anything else that refers to the statement that it's illegal to transfer copyrights to a model academic research?

Could you post any link? I've been looking but couldn't find anything that states that 'it is prohibited to transfer copyrights to a model academic research' or similar..

Could you specify what law you're referring to?

I doubt such username ever existed, it's probably a misspell.

Was "bek-freelancer" a username? Are you sure they posted on this forum?