While maintaining that the writers are not criminals (the good ones, the qualified ones are not; the others ....), I do believe that `yes,' they should look for an alternative. More than anyone, they know just how dishonest these companies are and they are victimised almost as much as the customers are - yet, they hang on. I can only assume that it is out of pressing economic need and failure to find work elsewhere.


Yes - according to the letter of the law, that is true.


I did because I have the luxury of economic security ... many don't. That is the sad thing. EW, A-R, etc know this and are really making the most of it.


They would only be aware of their legal duties and basic rights if they were based in the UK, US or EU (Canada, etc). What would a writer in Kenya, Zimbabwe, etc know? They really select their writers, WB, and do not disclose their real location just in case one of them does decide to report them. In most cases, the writers are not even privy to the names of the company's client-end websites! These companies are in a different category ... typical criminal-slippery. Did you read IvyR's posts? UNDISCLOSED LOCATION ... she actually said that they do not disclose their location!

At the end of the day, the fact is that these websites only have a handful of qualified writers - A HANDFUL - and they, whether sooner or later, eventually leave. The majority of their writers will not leave because they are SIMPLY UNEMPLOYABLE; they are paid $4-6 per page and that is $4-6 more than they are worth :)

Okay - can identify two debates here:
1) Best Essays is dishonest: I really do not see any point to the debate. The company lies about the nationality and qualifications of its writers; provides clients (unless their orders are picked up by one of the few good writers there) with abysmal quality; posts an absolutely fake address on its website; does not satisfy its guarantees; conceals its nationality and ownership; fines writers; delays writers' salaries; pays writers a shockingly meagre percentage of what the company gets per order; simply does not run a clean show. So, what is there to debate? ANY COMPANY WHICH LIES ABOUT THE AFOREMENTIONED IS FRAUDULENT! ANY COMPANY WHICH PAYS WRITERS 4-5$ PER PAGE OF GRADUATE RESEARCH IS @#$%&. Dishonest is dishonest - no two ways about it ...

2) Writers who work for EW, A-R, etc are criminals: I disagree. Some are highly qualified and, unfortunately, are being discriminated against. Due to either nationality or geographic location, their applications are rejected by what we call the "legitimate" companies. They are left with no choice at all. I doubt that any of them (I am referring to the truly qualified ones and not the multitudes whose hands should be severed for ever daring to write in English) enjoy the working conditions they are subjected to - fines, low wages, delays in payments, etc. Unfortunately, they really do not believe that they have anywhere else to go and many need the money. So, I believe they are victims ....

you got it :) one and the same or working together.


Apparently, that was inferred from my post ... don't see how, though :)


:) glad you are back :)

Have a bone to pick with you! Why do you go on these long absences and deprive us of your posts? I honestly enjoy reading them :)



Remind you of anyone? Same words ...

Did you `Dad' author the book? Your post reads like an ad. I am sorry but I cannot believe you sought out this site and made a single post whose intent was to promote the above website, without your having some kind of vested interest. If I am wrong, please accept my apologies in advance.

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Where in my post did you conclude that I assume that they are one at the same. I clearly differentiated between the two. Anyways, this is going nowhere as I cannot understand your rationale or decipher the meaning of your posts. Hence, I really do not know what we are debating here ...

So ... we are all criminals here?

That question would only be relevant were you able to PROVE (as opposed to claim) that she owns ET and that ET is a foreign-based company. Where she, as a person, is geographically located when posting, is utterly irrelevant. If you believe otherwise, pls explain your rationale. I get that we are living in an "America dominates" New World Order but this is the first I heard of there being a relationship between the validity of posts and the geographic locale of the poster ...

Masterpapers = fake address, she posted the pix
Bestessays, etc = she stated that the address they used was one wich they had randomly picked up from anywhere and CNN confirmed this
Only Native English Writers, re several sites = she disputed this, provided the evidence AND we all know it is true
American, UK-based companies = everybody claims to be one or the other and she disputed their claims, posting the relevant whois info

Do you need me to go on?

Just think about it for a sec ... you are claiming that her posts make less sense than his??! As none would ever make such a claim, I have begun to suspect smthg very very interesting ....

Researcher, please consider your claims:
1) Chacha's posts are valuable
2) Chacha posts the truth
3) Chacha has successfully confronted other members in debate
4) WB's posts are senseless
5) Pheelyks, without provocation, insulted chacha
6) the mods are biased against chacha

You can't ever expect any to take you seriously after this ...

What is?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not at all :)

Hal9000, you earlier wrote: "oxbridgeessays.com is hit and miss. They can give you a great paper or you will not get a writer and won't be told till it's too late :( ." Oxbridge Essays, TORG in general, too many question marks ...

And Mattel paid a very high price for going cheap. It had to recall tens and tens of thousands of toys because of the lead scare. How about the babies' milk fiasco? Point is, there are costly consequences to going cheap.


I, most unfortunately, have :( They are bad, really really bad but, at least, they know a thing or two about prepositions, tend not to quantify the unquantifiable and do not say "more lesser," "more few," etc. But, as you said, they do not seek employment as professional writers/researchers :)


The failure to provide consumers (potential or otherwise) with the relevant facts is a violation of the Consumer Protection Act. As for drawing them in with false claims, such as "all our writers have MAs and PhDs," "we only hire American and British writers," or "we have been given the highest award in the industry," etc etc ... it is deceitful, unethical, indefensible and a direct violation of consumer protection laws (at least in the UK and EU).

Why don't you just look at the manufacturing label? Who doesn't know that Nike outsources part of its manufacturing to China, Vietnam, Indonesia and Taiwan; Sony to Korea and Malaysia (among others). They do not hide this fact and the product you buy invariably displays the country of manufacturing on the inside label. So ... what on earth are we debating here? Facts versus erroneous assumptions??

I don't recall her making a statement to that effect. As for my opinion ... it is ridiculous to claim that ALL Americans, Brits or Aussies are good writers by virtue of nationality. The worst among them, however, would still manage to sweat out a better opening sentence than the one in the CNN report.


Well, you shouldn't, especially as the manufacturing label clearly states MADE IN CHINA. The comparison does not make sense as Nike clearly states the country of manufacturing while many essay companies openly lie.

As I have repeatedly stated here, there are many excellent ESL writers - truly excellent. Decent companies hire them because they are good and not because they are `cheap.' The good ones are paid the same rate as the native English speaking writers ....

While many are wonderful, however, all one has to do is read through this forum to realise that a good number are not. These `writers' have no place at all in the industry. Companies which hire them give the entire industry a bad name.

Bet anything that the atrocious CNN essay writer thought that his/her opening sentence was pure genuis ... it is nothing but idiotic gibberish. Can any imagine what the rest of the paper was like?! Probably a pile of verbiage. Yet, that writer was actually hired by a company.

Sorry ... but if you can't speak the language, find another line of work. This whole "cost-effective" argument has no bearing on the debate AT ALL; when the product/service is of unusable and unacceptable quality, cost-effectiveness is irrelevant - it is only relevant when talking of comparable quality and there are no grounds for comparison here.

Good for you Rusty :) When you stand up for yourself, you will get what you are owed. It should not have to be like that, however ...

I asked - by unchecking, we actually opt out of that condition ...

Yes I do ... that's why there was a ":)"

Very very dissapointing, phyleeks :)

Researcher - one question: what on earth is one supposed to think of a website which mispells its own url? Look at the Disclaimer at the bottom and you'll see "meta-essaysss." Yes, I know it is a typo but this is ridiculous.

Look at these contradictory claims (I am not going to comment on the language):
"Many students from UK have trusted us for writing their assignments, dissertations, custom coursework etc and became our regular customers because of our guaranteed quality. When you need a dissertation, custom term paper, research reports, and essay writing, just remember that meta-essays.com can offer you professional essay writing services of highest quality at affordable prices. Unlike other custom essay writing services, we provide a money back guarantee for 2:1 standard writing completely backed up by a non-plagiairsm guarantee."

Yet - in their Terms:
1) "Meta-Essays.com does not provide any guarantee for customer's final grade."
2) "Due to the fact that Meta-Essays.com bears high cost on researching and writing a written assignment ordered by customers, Meta-Essays.com will not refund full amount in any case."

These directly conflict with the `promises' published on their Home Page. As a potential customer, am I to understand that they guarantee their quality or not? that they refund customers or not?

Meta-Essays is literally begging for it ...

What does "writing in $4" even mean? Are they trying to say that they sell custom-written articles for $4?

Name names and post any evidence to support that. Why such blanket accusations? I do not support fraud and don't participate in it and I know that many of my competitors do not either. How do I know? Years-long industry experience and a former writer for several of the sites mentioned here. Some are beyond reproach and others are plain dishonest. Generalisations won't work here ...


No, Researcher and you know that is not true. As you know, most here are competitors; the majority here would not know the other from Adam and interact only on this forum. How can any here organise a campaign?

Chacha421 came here a few days ago and rightly complained about a certain company's treatment of him/her. Do you think s/he sat down with WB or any here to plan that?

If you look at the names of the websites constantly under attack here, you'll find that they boil down to a handful of companies and certainly not all in the industry. Can you honestly say that it is alright for a company to

1) fine writers (let alone unjustifiably so);
2) lie about writers' qualifications;
3) lie about the nationality of their writers;
4) lie about their own country of origin;
5) underpay writers;
6) make ridiculous statements such as "Masterpapers.com is also certified with Certificate of Incorporation (Masterpapers LLC) which means it will prove its high standards, quality, guarantee and safety in new services provision." A company gets certified with a certificate of incorporation! And that certificate is a testament to its high standards and quality?! Give me a break! Most of us have certificates of incorporation and it has no bearing at all on the quality we provide ... it is not a certificate of excellence!

7) How about false claims: "Master Paper has been named the world's finest custom essay and dissertation writing service." By whom? Is that alright?

8) How about gems such as this one: "We were flattered to find out that the world-famous universities have recognized Masterpapers.com as the leading company which provides high-quality academic papers. Masterpapers.com writers have been given the best reward from the outstanding academicians and we really appreciate all of our writers for their hard work and the world-wide recognition." Seriously? Recognised by universities? Rewarded by academicians?

None of the above is ok Researcher and most here recognise that, just as most here know that what we sell is language ... our webcopies should be, at least, acceptable.

As for companies with ridiculous names (warrioressays) ... they are just plain funny. If the world can make fun of Geldof's decision to name his daughters Little Pixie, Fifi Trixibelle, Tiger Lily and Peaches Honeyblossom - then we can make fun of silly site names :)

You are right.

I pictured it and cracked up :)

From UKassignments.com: "All of our writers either hold MA/MBA's or Phd's from British Universities (and some of them are so obsessed with Academia, that they hold both)."

OK - the last I heard was that a person couldn't even join a PhD programme if s/he didn't have a graduate degree???

There are a few gems there. despite the brevity of their webcopy :)

That is it!

I see where you are coming from and respect your position. However, I seriously believe that prior to a site's going live, the copy should be thoroughly checked and revised by Quality Control. Alternatively, they could hire one of their top writers to do it. It is really not a biggie - they can do it and they SHOULD. If for nothing else, then for pride in their work and respect for the service being offered.

and students are supposed to assume that a company which cannot correct its own webcopy will proofread the work it submits to them? We are selling research and language ...

Luck? Don't think so ... the good ones always have plenty of work. For some, it is the low season all year round.

Yes - and their samurai administrators do not fine writers ... they "gouge" their eyes out.
Plagiarism - 2 eyes
Late - 1 eye

Calm down, please! She'll "gouge your eyes out" and before you know it "drops of blood" will pour forth from your "forehead."

SERIOUSLY - braveheart's webcopy is very very original :) Frightful and maniacally psychotic, yes ... but very very original. Cats are slaughtered, heads get bashed in, bloody battles to the death are played out, students are tortured ...

Cringe-inducing corniness :)

Reassurances are a tad too late ... I've read your webcopy and all that talk of warfare petrifies me :( Just look at your CALL TO ARMS page: "Academic and corporate success is a battlefield fraught with challenges." And how about the fate of those who don't use your services? According to the warriors:

"You wail and you tear your hair out; you gnash your teeth and you gouge your eyes. Before you know it, your cat's outline is imprinted on the wall. You know it when it strikes you: it is a paralysis that will nag you until you see the page marked by drops of blood from your forehead."

I am scared and I really fear for my cats!

All joking aside, though ... there is something very disturbing, psychotic really, about the webcopy.

It varies ... depending on the number of suicidal students in a given week.

Considering the nature of the service being sold, I believe it is.


Don't you think it's because ASDA sells fish and meat? You even get those same smells in the Harrods' food hall ... why? Because of the nature of the product being sold. You, however, do not get the smell of rotten meat or fish in either. In our industry, a poorly revised webcopy is akin to the smell of rotting fish and meat.

Yes - customer service is very important but, does meta-essays have a customer support dept? It appears that one can only contact them via email; hardly what one would call good customer support.


Completely and absolutely true. BUT, shouldn't one check the webcopy before it goes live? If a custom-essay company's webcopy has a noticeable amount of typos, why should students trust them? If they cannot correct their own webcopy (a few pages), why should we assume that they would check work before it is sent off to clients? So, yes, typos are often made by the programmers but should have been checked and corrected prior to the site's going live.

Having said that - I am not remarking on meta-essays or the quality of their work as I simply do not know anything about them. So, they could be very good for all I know.

Too late ... american_writer has annihilated them. Patronus, the warrior chief, has retreated ...

Summer months can be good because of the Australian and summer semester markets but cannot, under any circumstances, be compared to the high seasons. Any who believe otherwise are 1) not really in this industry or 2) living in la-la land? :)

I think freelanceMLT meant that the summer months could be good, as in not dead. Dont think meant to compare???!!!

I love that! :)