Fine, prove that I only inquired about the consumer side of things.

Of course, that's irrelevant anyway, because there's nothing wrong with that either. Both are in line with the rules and intended purpose of this site, as I have proven in another thread and you even agreed with eventually.

My only inquiries have been about the writing side of things, as that's the only part of this I'm interested in. I don't need to buy papers but I'd like to write them for money. I'm willing to respond to your points but please keep them accurate.

Once again, I did not make statements about the site but rather raised a question. I did make a statement about myself and how something SEEMED to ME. To say that something seems fishy to me is not to make a statement about its legitimacy.

Also, I never said that would-be essay writers have no interest in or connection to freelance writing sites. I said that by repeatedly mentioning those sites you were missing the point of the thread. If I'm trying to find out if the freelance writing site is a scam, I'm not just going to go to that freelance writing site. I might even go to a forum where people discuss scams related to freelance writing, such as this one. This is a site for potential customers and potential employees to discuss essay writing businesses to determine which ones will scam you, based on information from other people's accounts of their own experiences with these companies.

Also, why not just respond to that thread in that thread, instead of bringing that debate into this debate? I'll argue with you, but let's keep it organized.

It's not a cloak of ignorance, it's an admission of non-omniscience.

Every answer you give has already been given in this forum, by you.

Once again, I made no assumptions or assertions, just raised a question and indicated why it seemed like a good question to raise.

There is no such thing as "supposed to" so don't pretend there is.

So there's something wrong with admitting it's possible I could have misinterpreted as well?

So it's against the rules for people to share their own stories?

Well come on, in one of my threads you put this very lengthy post containing someone's criminal record, and it wasn't even relevant to that particular post. It was kind of distracting from the main topic, so I didn't appreciate it, especially since it's information that you've already posted elsewhere. And by the way, isn't that kind of the same as what you're berating me for here, posting something asking for information that's already been posted. That makes you a bit of a hypocrit. And besides, just because I post a request for information doesn't mean I'm not simultaneously doing research of my own. I just thought the responses would provide further help and perhaps be more up to date. Why must you hijack each and every thread? Why must you take part in every discussion here? You're totally allowed, but it just seems rude.

Nobody was asking for an advertisement or trying to advertise. People were trying to discuss their own experiences writing for these companies with each other to figure out which ones will scam them and which ones won't. That's not advertising. That's just sharing your own stories which as I showed earlier is one of the purposes of this site. If the essayscam mods decide to interpret it as advertising, that's up to them and we can't really stop them, but until then why can't you just let people have the sort of discussion this site is intended for, a place where "students, writers, and other essay writing company owners to share their real-life and oftentimes humorous stories so that potential customers or writers are able to tell the difference."

I've already said it. I could be wrong, but it seems as though you were responding to someone who was outright criticizing the rule about certain business names, and were attacking me for lack of knowledge about the legal issues involved, when in fact I was just raising a question about the practice and openly admitting that I found it confusing. You responded like someone being attacked when there was no attack.

Actually, I only mentioned you here because you'd already been attacking me in other forums, as well as others. From what I've seen, you jump into every discussion and attack everyone.

Please tell me exactly where it says that reviews and recommendations are not allowed. I'm not saying you're lying, I just want to see it.

From essayscam.org:

"Is providing positive feedback allowed?

While advertising or promoting any particular service or professional writer is not allowed, providing genuine positive feedback is always welcome, so long as it is not the only goal of the poster and is not an "advertisement in disguise." Because it can be tricky at times to determine if any given message is an advertisement or not, the final decision belongs to moderators."

Best essays from a writer's point of view?

Anyone have any experience writing for best essays? I've been considering trying to write for them.

By the way, before a certain person posts and tells me about fake addresses and criminal records, just keep it to yourself because that's not what I'm asking and that info is already available in plenty of threads here.

I'm just asking if they'll pay me for my work and not rip me off. Any help would be greatly appreciated. If you think they'll rip me off, do you know of one that won't? By the way, the phrase "best essays" isn't technically the name of any business on the list of those whose names shall not be spoken, so I don't want any crap about rule violation either.

So just whom is this site supposed to help when it comes to avoiding scams? If it's not for potential customers of these businesses to avoid getting scammed as a customer, and it's not for potential writers to avoid being scammed as employers, then what the heck is the point of uncovering the scams? Is it for completely uninvolved people who are just curious about essay writing scams? Surely not.

Ha! From the homepage of this website, under the question "What are essayscam's goals?", the first paragraph is as follows:

"EssayScam.org exists to help students, other essay-writing companies, and academic freelance writers by discussing their experiences with online essay writing and research services, freelance writers, or students (their clients) to improve their services."

This sort of thread is exactly what this site is about, ignore writers beware.

And a little more from the section "What are essayscam's goals?":

"We just want students, writers, and other essay writing company owners to share their real-life and oftentimes humorous stories so that potential customers or writers are able to tell the difference."

Rash comments? I didn't really make any assertions about anything. You're right, I don't understand all the legal implications/justifications involved. You'll notice I said it was confusing. I'm definitely not claiming to be an expert on such issues. I'm not saying anything wrong is being done here, but that it kind of seems that way. I said it SEEMS shady. So, to summarize my point, I don't know what's up with not being able to mention the businesses, but something about it SEEMS fishy to me. Whether it is in fact fishy I am unsure, which is pretty much why I started a thread to discuss it.

WritersBeware, you make some good points in some threads but you also have a habit of attacking people over things they didn't actually say. I don't know if you just misunderstand a lot of what you read or if you intentionally misinterpret, but your skills at attacking straw men impress nobody.

I mean, think of it this way:

Some of the essay writing companies might scam customers, some might scam writers, some might scam both.

Potential customers might come here to discuss which ones are legitimate places to shop for papers. If someone asked about that, I guess you wouldn't have a problem with it, WB.

Likewise, potential writers might come here to discuss which ones are legitimate places to find work as a writer, where you won't send them a paper and not get paid. You seem to have a problem with somebody asking about this.

But in either case, it's simply a matter of someone asking for advice from those with previous experience about whether or not they'll get scammed by an essay writing business, which is what this site seems to be about.

I'm not saying this site is a scam, but it sure seems shady when a message board supposedly devoted to exposing scams in the essay writing industry doesn't allow you to post the names of many of the businesses in question.

Does anyone know of any better sites for discussing this sort of thing, where we're not restricted this way?

1. Neither I nor anyone else had mentioned anything about the rules of the forum in this thread, and so far as I can tell nobody in this thread has broken any rules, so the remark that I don't have to participate if I don't like the rules is not only rude, but irrelevant.

2. I know what the name of the site is, and as I said in my previous post, consumers are not the only ones trying to avoid the SCAMS. The writers can get SCAMMED too. I guess I should have capitalized SCAM in my first post so you'd get the point.

3. You already mentioned the freelance writing sites, and now you do it again, which shows you just don't get the point. We would-be essay writers want to know which ones will SCAM us out of our work.

It's not just the consumers that have to be on the look out for scams. Writers can be scammed also, by doing work and not being paid for it. I honestly don't see what's wrong with this thread. Finding out which sites will actually pay instead of scamming me out of my hard work is exactly why I came to this site. You seem to be the main poster on this message board, for whatever reason. I just signed up today and have been perusing some discussions. Some of your posts are informative but I really don't understand your objection to the nature of this thread.