My last post on this topic. I bring it all when I take a stand. You can take it however you want. In the end, I passed on no false information and dispelled a great deal of lies and half-truths. I've made the public aware of an untruth and provided them with the truth. That's what I do. That in itself is reward enough for me. I'm sorry you haven't met a person that is passionate about truth and fairness; I assure you we are out there.

You may have your own mind and can make up your own mind, others aren't so capible. My friend Kissncook, for example, contacted me yesterday about this forum; she did believe Amy and her lies and half-truths. Others in this thread have also stated they believed Amy till I jumped in. Like I've stated in the past, I've laid it all out there and Amy hasn't, we still don't know the reason for the level of anger she has toward these types of sites and their foreign owners. It never was about exposing Amy's prejudice, that emanated organically from the debate. Even now, in the end, she's trying to use misdirection to gain support and pull attention away from her shattered case.

I speak of the email she's talking about. That email was sent before this debate even got off the ground. It was the result of a few comments I made to rattle her cage because of the way she was talking down to ESL writers on this site. She would have you believe it was something that would make all my words untrue when in fact is was nothing more than a note to her to not take it (the picking on her about her comments before this all started) personally, that I was just busting her chops. Taking her comment in that light how could you or anyone else for that matter believe she is being anything but biased?

As to the implications that I'm affiliated with Essay Writers, all I can say is other than applying to be a writer for the purpose of investigating them I have no vested interest in them. I have no problems posting proof of my earnings and where it came from for Amy to inspect till her heart's content. I doubt Amy would do the same; she wouldn't even tell us the reason for her anger. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that she was employed by a competitor of Essay Writers and other foreign essay providing companies.

If I truly was being dishonest in any way shape or form I would've laid out the argument that she was a shill for an American based company. However, I hold myself to a higher standard than she does. I don't make claims I can't support with real evidence. Believe me I'd love to have the proof and perhaps my continued look toward Amy will net some. The simple fact of the matter remains, there is no proof of that or that she is vested in this site. There have been some "oddities" I've noticed. I can't find one post I put up yesterday. The issue with her quote which now shows as your quote piours. Post numbers don't match on a couple of post quotes. I'm not sure what it all means but rest assured I will get to the bottom of it.

In any event I am done with this. Amy can spin and twist herself to rapture for all I care. Between my arguments on this subject and another member's "trap" she has been shown not only to be a liar but incompetent too - what she calls research just can't be trusted.

Have no idea pious, looked back at the post and the word document I proofed the post in, Amy wrote that, I quoted it from her post and the heading did say "Quoting: Amy,...".

No problem. I stand by every word. If you want send me an email and I'll give ya my contact info so he can get ahold of me... I"ll be waiting... now go seek trouble elsewhere honey... I wish you knew what I do and what I really think about your real place in all this...

Ok, I'll put on some coffee... he'd have to be as delusional as you to think I've stepped out of line.

Careful sweetheart... proving she and I are different ppl is very easy to do... don't you think you've commited enough libel in one thread?

Boy keeping up with you is turning into a full-time job... now you're going at mach speed... did we hit a nerve honey? Happens when you're outed... don't worry, you'll calm down and get back to trying to prove them crooks with no evidence.

Yep, that's it... you found me out... I secretly want to prove to you that I'm worthy so I can get you to fall in love with me so we can have sex... damn, and I thought my secret plan was... well... a secret.

LOL. You need help. Serious help. Move on to the next site you want to call crooks so I can check into them and prove you wrong again... or maybe this time your guess will be right and we'll be on the same side.


More evidence against Amy. She claims she isn't prejudice but she admits her statements are hurtful... hmmmmm

Yeah I agree. I sent ya an email... by the way my email addy is the same for my IM...

Yes admin, please check it out... kissncook is a friend of mine.. the one who found this site for me after finding Essay Writers... can prove it too... I have all my IM's from her archived... not to mention other ways the admin can tell if I'm Kissncook... just like the rules of evidence you know nothing about the nuts and bolts of websites.... they know you're IP, they know your ISP, they know your MAC... just to name three and those three don't match, they couldn't... we live in different counties....

But I understand you're desire to get me banned... before me you're BS came across as true... you were a hero to these people... and now... now they know just how full of crap you are... sorry Amy, if the admin is fair and impartial you'll be the one banned for putting them at risk with your libelous comments.

Well then... lets put our evidence to the test... contact me and we'll work out an arragnement and post the results here... I have money, I'll cover all the expenses... Hell I even have a friend who used to be a comon-pleas judge. A couple of law students and we're set. I may even be able to get you paid... I have connections at Case Western Law School, this would make one hell of paper for them... up to you.. just click on my name and select "contact member"... and we're off and running.

You're welcome kissncook, that's what this was all for... I get a good feeling whenever I shut down someone like that...

Vulgarity and name calling is the hallmark of someone who has run out of excuses! Checkmate!

If I get banned it either means you are in the ownership of this site or the webmaster is as clueless and biased as you... face it honey... you've been outed and your big mouth isn't going to get you out of it. NITE NITE

Wow Amy, looks like somebody needs to pack THEIR bags. I'll take your apology now.

Yet another long diatribe that answers your questions but you refuse to see that and accept it... just as I predicted! You're replies to my posts are all the same Amy... bla bla bla "they're crooks because you won't answer this question... which by the way I did... THREE TIMES and I assure you there won't be a FOURTH... bla bla bla... they're crooks because I came across this statement in their advert.... Which by the way is perfectly legal.... Bla bla bla... they're criminals because they don't have an LLC on file... which with very little effort I proved they did... so you can stop your rehashing of you four pieces of so called evidence. I'm getting tired of typing long rebuttals in a futile effort to prevent you from twisting any more data in your desperate effort to prove THIS ONE SINGLE company crooked.


I've made no such claims except in your head Amy, it must be a wonderful place there on planet Amy. I'm attempting to narrow the scope of this because in order to cover up the fact you have no proof of anything you've splintered it and have gone all over the place here. Plain and simple my research and argument was on and about Essay Writers and nothing more, other than the LLC which you lied about. The question was about Essay Writers and you were the one who attacked the comments from the representative... you called her a liar with no basis... uncool... You've got two choices here... no three choices... Give up, keep talking in circles with your "evidence" which isn't evidence at all... or take me up on my offer and come check me out... The first would be the wisest, I'm done playing with you on the second and the third will finally prove beyond all reasonable doubt that YOU are full of **** when you say you're not prejudiced.

What you fail to understand is you are so off topic it isn't even funny. The issue here isn't who owns who or who's scamming who. The issue is and always has been if you write for Essay Writers will you get paid. You're the one that has taken this subject on this wild ride because you have a hard-on for this company for reasons you WILL NOT STATE... that is a cowardly action... so look in the mirror. All you questions both valid and invalid have been addressed by me. I have backed down from nothing you've thrown at me... like the lie you told about the LLC you've also backed down more than once when I posed challenges to you... Most rats are afraid of the light... I'm not one of them... you on the other hand are affraid of the light. Unless you're going to post the real and completely true story of what they did to you don't bother posting a reply... it will fall on deaf ears. Who's the coward now?


Nope. Not at all. They're valid in saying that. It is a truism that some ESL drafted work is sub-standard. In advertising they're making a valid claim in an effort to coax business. The difference between their use and yours is they don't spend hours every single day slamming and taking cheap shots at ESL and Foreign Writers. Like I said a post or two ago... if you weren't posting so much hate and intolerance most of us wouldn't think you're prejudice or that your motives are suspect.

Now I'm clearly stating that the above paragraph on a whole or in part is NOT supporting any of Amy's claims. At no time did I intentionally argue that ALL ESL and foreign writers were qualified to write. I need this disclosure because as most of you know... she's going to quote parts of it she can twist into some sort of flip on my behalf... Now Amy, go to bed like a good little girl and have big dreams of being an employed writer and we'll see how you feel in the morning.

EXTRA, EXTRA, READ ALL ABOUT IT! Amy was put to the test and failed... follow the link... if you dare.

https://essayscam.org/forum/es/masterpapers-office-munroe-topsham-private-residence-187/#msg2124

Oh and just so you know dear... I'm working out the count of how many times you've posted the same or edited versions of the same webpage from their site, the number of times you needlessly took a cheap shot at ESL writers and how many times you twisted the same set of words and "evidence" in order to prove your case.

It'll be fun... trust me... keep an eye out for it, coming soon... a "by the numbers" look at her tactics.

I've answered all your questions; sorry you're too ignorant to see that. I didn't hijack his thread, I offered up advice which happened to include a warning about your motives.

more words without substance Amy, it wasn't a contest. I told you when we started you weren't on my level... but you wanted to play. Now be a good loser and admit you haven't a clue what your talking about... ;)

From the looks of it Elvis they seem to be on the up and up. There is an incredible amount of legal speak there... gave me a headache. I would make contact with them and ask for samples and make your mind up from there.

Example 1 of your poor reading comprehension skills. You missed the word that puts this entire block in the context of an OPINION - "think". Chump change? I doubt you work in the industry at all. I bet "would you like fries with that" is a common phrase for you. No professional writer would misinterpret as much text as you have in this thread alone.


I know nothing but yet I have managed to churn up more facts than you have. Just because you have a computer and can spell "google" doesn't mean you are researching. There are avenues you have to take to get to the truth because the truth is seldom in the contents of a webpage and your failure to understand that is the cause of this entire debate. Case in point would be the numerous times you screamed they had no LLC on file; one of those "avenues" led me to discover that they do in fact have an LLC on file. I could go on... but what's the point... you won't accept the amount of mistakes you've made no matter the evidence.

And you have no clue what this debate was about. It was about Essay Writers and whether or not you'll get paid by them. YOU tried to make it about the entire web of overseas companies in this field. YOU were the one who wrongfully accused them of criminal action. YOU were the one who had no proof. YOU were the one who allowed her prejudice to shine through. YOU were the one who has lied on more than one occasion in this thread. YOU are the one who doesn't understand both the burden of proof and how business works. YOU, my dear, are the one who is clueless here, not me.

Some examples of racist/prejudice comments by you in this post alone:


You made your point of this sentence before tossing in the "ESL STUDENTS". Not to mention... all caps! You never miss a chance to put the term ESL in any derogatory sentence when it comes to skill. More comments:


This one is borderline, had you not used ESL in a derogatory manner over 200 times in this thread alone I would've seen nothing wrong with it.


One more hit on ESL students. "Anybody with a typewriter" is more than enough to get your point across to me. I should also point out that when I say get your point across I'm not implying you are right, I mean that you got what was in your head to the page.


Do I really need to go on with your racist/prejudiced comments? Are you beginning to see how you're coming across as seriously biased?


Proof: Any factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of something.
Fact: A statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened.

You have proof of you claim? Facts? Evidence to support the libelous claims you've made about this company. I'm sorry but a few copied pages aren't proof. Don't believe me? Do a little research on the burden of proof or take a $100 bucks and talk to a lawyer for an hour about your claims and your proof. I assure you, you have no proof what-so-ever!


Yes, dozens have posted. Some claimed not to have gotten paid and others have stated they've gotten paid. You in your bias have dismissed EVERYONE who had anything positive to say about Essay Writers. You've called them representatives of the company, crooks too, out to help the company con writers out of money. You've made these claims with absolutely no facts, just your highly uninformed opinion which is also tainted by your serious prejudice and hate.


There is nothing wrong. Nothing what-so-ever with the use of "mostly" in their advertisement. The use of "only" is wrong if they do use writers that aren't native English speaking; however, upon further review they corrected themselves inside their site so no fraud or crime has been commited. In order for there to be a crime there must be damage caused. Clicking on a page isn't damage. If Joe Customer saw they only use PhD writers in their add and goes to the site, reads all the information and learns they use mostly PhD writers, he's been informed, if he decides to do business that is his choice. If he doesn't, he's just out of some time and that is not considered damage. Again your only seeing what you want and ignoring the rest.

AS for the last sentence, they also do have writers with Masters and PhD's working for them. They also have writers with Bachelors, Associates and no degree at all but years of practical experience. Just one more FACT you wouldn't know about because you refuse to research your libelous claims before making them.


Consumer Fraud: Consumer Fraud Consumer Fraud has a formal definition in the law. It is not the same as "unfair" or a "ripoff".

That statement about what consumer fraud is comes straight from Georgetown University Law. With a straight face, the answer to your question is NO. They are required by law to make available all information relevant to the contract they are entering with a consumer and they do. They are required by law to make all relevant information available to all contractors they are entering contracts with and they do. It's a gray area, a slippery slope, but by definition of the law they are doing nothing wrong.

Your problem, or one of them any way, is that you have no idea about presumption of innocence. If you believe they are creating a violation of law you must file a complaint and surrender whatever evidence you may have. In your case, you have none. Nothing. Again, the webpages you've posted are not conducive to a violation of the law or the legal definition of consumer fraud. Your ignorance of the law and business has led you to run to this forum and start pointing fingers, and why shouldn't you? After all they are owned by the people you hate most - foreigners. Your prejudice combined with you ignorance left you to believe you had very real proof that they are crooks, when in reality you have no such proof.

I have no such resentment of you. I only know you by your actions here. I think you're immature and unseasoned. I think you're very bitter towards these people because of something they or someone similar has done to you. I think you are so prejudiced toward ESL writers that the mere thought of them drives you into a state of crazieness. I don't think you have any job in any writing field unless it is putting books away on a shelf. I think you need to understand that making unsubstantiated claims against businesses and people is irresponsible. I'd love to see you on other forums I'm part of because debating with you is fun and for the most part, the main reason I'm still plugging away at this. What you don't understand is through it all I've managed to expose your bias and prejudice, thus reducing your credibility. The fact that I was able to discredit your claims is just sauce for the goose. You will never see you've been stomped but others will and that is all that matters.

Remember that post wherein you blasted a members writing then I picked on yours? You told me something to the effect "this is just a posting place...". In other words you were saying that since this is just a forum it shouldn't be used to guage your skills.

I then pointed out you were guaging the ESL's skill by his post... we shouldn't hold you to the same standard?

Fact of the matter Amy my post is not me proving your point. Have you read any of the final product of the ESL's you've slammed on this forum? Then how can you say they shouldn't be writing for Americans? To make sure you understand clearly... I... the author of the post bearing my user name... was saying to the original poster of this thread to not take any of your advice because it is biased and prejudiced... that he should continue tying to obtain work for American companies if he so desired because in the end the quality of his final draft will determine if he cuts it or not... that was of course after I advised him to seek a different area of writing... nice try sugar-cakes but you need to twist a little harder... STOP saying writers aren't quilfied for jobs unless you've seen their finished product... oh wait... you can't do that... it would mean RESEARCH.... and we both know you don't do a good job at that.

Before you go viewing any of Amy's statements as credible I suggest you follow the bellow link and read the ENTIRE thread so you can see what sort of prejudice loon she is. Don't be like Amy before passing judgement; do your research as any professional writer would do.

paperchasefraud, excellent research. Any chance you could find a way to private message me here or on another forum? I'd like to talk to you about a project I'm musing... perhaps, we could join forces...

Are you freaking out of your mind?? How in any way, shape or form is this fraud? Bad grammar in a couple of places but no fraud. Reading this a normal person would deduce that they are looking for writers with or without experience. They are claiming to be one of the leading companies not the leading company which isn't either a lie or unethical... it's argumentative at best. Since you've proven an inability to process and define OUR native language I'll take a few moments to define it for you.


Hi reader, we are a research company and are looking for some writers. We need you to be responsible, creative and ambitious. If you are you may get a job with us, a leading company in the industry with five years experience in the research industry. We aspire (a common mistake to those foreign to our language is replacing aspire with entitled) to produce genuine and exclusive pieces of writing and content.

As I pointed out what you have here is some poor grammar and a word that easily gets confused in translation. But you know about that confusion because you did the professional thing and researched it.

A side note... I think I know what they did to you. They fired you, didn't they? You're work was sub-standard because you fail to research. You have shown an impressive level of careless research in this thread. If I had to put money on it I'd put it here. Let's go on...


Those with experience or a desire to improve their skills are welcome to apply. Whether you are a writer, journalist, content writer or college student you are welcome to apply and as long as you prove to have good RESEARCH and writing skills you will be able to join our friendly team.

Again, what this is saying is if you don't have the skill-level to satisfy customers you will be shown the door.


Here at Essay Writers you'll have opportunity to grow and improve. We have a unique system of bonuses and rewards for excellent work.

The rest of that block is a failed attempt to punch up the translated point.


As an employee (which technically should be contractor; another grammatical/translation gaff and hardly criminal) you will have a wide choice of assignments and payment twice a month. The second to last sentence is just rehash from a few blocks above. The last sentence... For more information please visit our site then apply... because we have a highly difficult system to navigate here in order to be paid.

I think that last line is what tripped you up. Your propensity to not research things probably led you to NOT read all the rules and regulations, and if you did you probably only saw what you wanted to; just as you ahve done in trying to prove them to be crooks in this thread.

The fact of the matter, as I said before about this... you have nothing here. You can't compare a help add to an advertisement add. By its nature advertisement is to bring you in the door and leaves you there at your own risk. From there they are required to provide all relevant information and it is YOUR job to read it and understand and if you don't understand it, to ask questions that will help you understand. They say ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law just as ignorance is no excuse for getting taken.

I'm sure if we knew the whole story a complete investigation would find YOU not the company to be at fault for your woes. Learn how to understand what you read before you try putting stuff out there for people to read. You are a complete and utter HACK. I'm sorry you don't possess the common sense needed to see the error of your ways. I'm sorry your prejudice blinds you from seeing facts that are in front of your eyes. You're a battlestar fan, I surprised you understand and are able to follow such a complicated show but then again... you may only get it on one level, you may not understand the underlying story lines and character arcs.

You call me a coward? I've offered you a chance to check me out and you've taken a pass. I've requested you post your story... the true one... and still you avoid it. As you told me once before... take a look in the mirror honey and perhaps you'll see how ugly your actions make you look.

Whatever Amy. I went through all 15,000 plus words I've posted on this topic and found several instances where I did. I'm sorry if it wasn't to your satisfaction... again, you're acting like a drowning man clinging to a block of wood in a desperate attempt to save their life... do you get that or do you need me to define the sub-text for you?

Having been a writer for some time now... If I were you I'd find a different field of writing to get into. Not because you're an "ESL writer" but because the wages in this field aren't impressive enough to be worth the time and energy.

That said, if you must write in this field I would advise you to keep plugging away. In the end, the only people who care about where you're from are people like Amy, what really matters is the quality of your final product. Good luck.

You are so stupid it isn't even funny. Keep splitting those hairs, somebody may think you're right sooner or later.


Pious, I get all bent out of shape whenever somebody is passing false information about anything, one or business. Writer's love to argue, just one of my personality traits as my jumping in posting this shows. And I agree with you; this was a nasty debate and I shouldn't have let myself to be drawn into it. When I saw the nasty way she talked to ESL writers I was angered; that sort of prejudice shouldn't be left unchecked. I have a question for you.

What is the difference anyway if I were associated with them? Have I not been truthful and accurate with my statements? Have I not corrected myself when they were wrong? If I were associated with them why did it take me so long to locate the LLC? Wouldn't I have been able just to make a call to ask my "boss" (Amy, the quotes around boss mean that I am speaking hypothetically and not literally; however, I'm sure you'll find a way to twist this into me admitting to being invested). More importantly, wouldn't I have access to records involving Amy and what they "did" to her and publish that information to show her true motives? Why would I limit my defense to just this company, why not the parent company and all the companies they own or manage? I mean there are so many holes in the entire argument that I have any involvement with this company. Don't be as blinded as Amy is to the truth; don't give in to her tactics of misdirection.

I find it funny how she's arguing with someone who she used as proof to support her claim with what they meant in the words that person posted. Given a choice between believing someone who wrote something and someone who merely read and interpreted that writing, I would side with the author every time; surely they know what they meant when they were writing it.

Amy, I have addressed the points in both those posts on more than one occasion with you and on more than one thread. I'm sorry if you either didn't see them because they proven you wrong or distorted by you, yet again or you didn't understand my reply. You had four points for your claims I addressed over six points... it's been covered; however, keep implying that I didn't, for sure someone will believe you that my "ignoring" them makes everything I said a lie.


Yet another example of you seeing only what you want and misinterpreting something someone said. I NEVER said it is difficult to register an LLC, which I've proven to be true, I never said it wasn't easy. When you posted that anybody can file and LLC online in 30 minutes I did tell you that it is impossible to do so. I was just about to clarify my point but after seeing the forms from bizfilings you need in either state to file I would love to meet the person who can fill in all that information in under and hour let alone half that time. I suppose if they used the same half-assed research and detail to truth and acuracy they could, but most of us don't work that way.



These are all of the mentions I made that in any way can be interpreted as me attesting to the ease or difficulty in creating LLC's. Where exactly do I say they are difficult? Please, point it out to me without using your wild imagination in interpreting my words.

Why would I? I've done it. All you need to do is fill out the paperwork, send it in and wait. Learn to understand what you read before trying to pick it apart sweetheart. What you are doing here is trying to develop credibility by getting hung up on a semantic. What relevance is there even IF your interpretation is the right one? In your eyes if you are right it will prove the rest of my argument wrong. In truth, the rest of his statement is true. Don't get your underwear in a bunch, nobody has taken away the fact that you did in fact say setting up an LLC is easy, just as I said that the existence of an LLC brings a certain level of legitimacy to the company.


The last person to know they are prejudice is a person who is so. If you were able to insert such objectivity into your life we wouldn't be having this debate at all*.

*Subtext definition: Since you are incapable of understand true meaning out of a statement I will spell it out. That sentence means if you were able to be objective enough to determine you weren't prejudiced you would be able to be objective enough to view the facts and admit YOU ARE WRONG!

Ok, I know, she drew me into this again. I meant to reply to pious but couldn't help pointing out more of her ridiculous comments. Sorry, my bad.

Thank you for proving my point Amy. You're only paying attention to the words you feel will help you and ignoring the rest because they go against you. I suspect when he sees this he will set you straight. You go on trying to frame this very minor issue as a victory for you, it doesn't matter to me nor does it take away from the fact that your opinion of that company is just that... an opinion; not fact.

With that I am out of this discussion. I'm sure Amy will post some half-baked interpretation of my latest post and I just want to let all who are reading this, know that my lack of a reply isn't in any way, shape or form me conceding her point. It does mean that all that needs to be said on this topic has been said and I will not indulge her warped definition of evidence.

I'm sure by now most of you realize what she stands for and what lengths she'll go to just to pass her personal feelings off as fact. Reasoning with a person emotionally charged as Amy is pointless. She's only going to see what she wants and she will continue to ignore reason. She will continue to see only the few words she can twist in her favor and ignore the many words that go against her. She is neither fair or balanced in her opinions and as such nobody should give them any credence. I would suggest you approach any comment she makes on any topic as you would approach one made by a child.

I've seen this type of person before. Usually they turn out to be a kid trying to play in the adult world. I highly doubt she holds the job of editor as she claimed in a post. I'd even be willing to go as far to say she is more than likely a high school student playing around. It is the only thing that makes sense given her actions throughout this site. Only a kid or mentally ill person would conduct themselves in such a manner. Be sure to understand that I am not passing this off as fact, only my opinion.

I've thrown down the gauntlet. I have given her an invitation to check me out till her heart's content. She is free to review the small mountain of research I've done involving this argument and she is free to post her conclusions here minus my real name. The only condition I have is that she is honest and ethical in doing so, both traits I feel she doesn't possess due to her adolescent age.

Rat, how much is essaywriters.net paying you to be their "typing head"?

Ok, let's try this again. Please use your eyes and engage your brain as I explain this quote to you again...


The part he is agreeing with me on is with my fight agianst your assault against a company without any substantial evidence.

"Such legal presumption CANNOT be overthrown by self-serving, unsubstantiated personal assertions." Hasn't that been my position all along? It for sure hasn't been yours, it still isn't yours.

Again you're only seeing what you want and trying to pass off made up evidence agian. YOU claim to be a writer. Is that not a paragraph? The last sentence of the paragraph is the conclusion; the first sentence his position...

I agree with you rat, Such legal presumption CANNOT be overthrown by self-serving, unsubstantiated personal assertions. which was the point of my argument. The rest of the paragraph was filler to qualify and emphasise the final sentence. Christ Amy, that's one of the first lessons we learn in grammar class.

"it may be easy to file for incorporation of an LLC" what's missing in this fragment is the tagline of "as Amy claims". However, the tagline isn't needed because of the placement of "may" and "but" in the sentence. If you're as skilled a writer as you claim to be you would've seen this. Perhaps some of this forums writers could verify this.

I find it funny that out of a 2000 (est.) word post that paticular thing was the only thing you can find to comment on.

As for your inflamitory comment that I am a paid rep of that company... find a way to send a private message on this forum or direct me to another forum and I will give you my contact information, real name and just for good messure my accountant's number so you can verify that no money I recieve comes from them or any other company they own or are involved with. I have no problem allowing you to troll around in my world to satisfy your doubt about my motive, do you have the ethics to come here and say you were wrong about my motives or will you just twist things around and begin slamming me as you are that company?

Consider your punk card pulled. If you fail to take up my offer then you have no place questioning my motives. And you know what else, screw proofing this post, you can deal with the typos and miscues of spelling!

Reading Comprehension 101:

What was said...

"I agree with you Rat, it may be easy to file for incorporation of an LLC but surely there are other documentary evidence legalzoom.com/LLC/Virginia-LLC-Formation.html These filings/documents once approved by the State would enjoy the presumption of regularity. Such legal presumption CANNOT be overthrown by self-serving, unsubstantiated personal assertions."

What was meant...

He agreed with you and your implication that it is simple to establish a LLC but that was all he was agreeing with you about. That is evident with the word "but" which is where he left the Amy which hunt in favor of my points about the legitimacy of the company and their right to do business with you unjustly accusing of committing crime.

Amy at no time have you presented anything that would withstand the most charitable definition of evidence. You latched onto an apparent oversight and built a case against them based solely on your personal opinion and apparent prejudice. I had to launch 5000 word posts because wherever I left any ambiguity you twisted it around and framed it as evidence. In several posts with you on this and other threads I listened to your "evidence" and set forth proving or disproving it. Had you're evidence been true I would have been right there with you condemning the site. The simple fact is that everything you presented didn't withstand the litmus that evidence must hold up under and without that standard we have no choice but to side with the company and not you. You may very well be right about them; however, you haven't made your case, it's that simple. Even Baltar was acquitted because the evidence wasn't there.

No Amy, I didn't know what you meant. I doubt you knew. Once, you claimed that I wasn't on your level behind a keyboard. I agree with you. I would've made it crystal clear what I meant by "30 minutes". In the context of the post you were inferring that they quickly ran out and created and LLC to cover their rear. You call me a spinster but you've twisted everything you had shot down just as you're trying to change the meaning of your post now that you were proven wrong; yet again. Go through and read your posts and my replies. Mine are facts to dispute your posts which are the same four points worded many different ways in a vain effort to prove a company that wronged you corrupt. Why don't you come clean with us, what did this company or people do to you that hurt you so deeply? If you want us to believe you're acting in an ethical manner you MUST disclose that information? Do you keep the real reason for your motivation private because you know that people knowing it would destroy what little credibility you have left?

Yes, I didn't know what ESL stood for when this started but unlike you when I didn't know something I didn't make up an answer that suited my position, I asked questions and looked for the truthful answer. This entire debate has been done on the fly, due in part to your lies and half-truths. When you do something like this in this manner, mistakes are bound to happen. I noted when I made mistakes or misquotes, you have not. How can you call me biased when you won't admit your mistakes?

This is nothing more than another tactic Amy employs when she can't twist my words against me.

In closing I will leave it to whoever comes across this thread during their research of this company. There is enough truth here to disprove your lies and show you as nothing more than a scorned woman out to make that company pay for hurting her. If I were to draw their attention to anything I would draw it to your declaration that this company had no LLC on file. Then I would point them to the post which not only stated they did, in fact, have an LLC on file but also had the link and instructions to prove it. That and a little commonsense will go a long way in relegating you and your allegations to insignificant status.

In another point that may help prove I'm not affiliated with this company in any way I will say this: If I were affiliated, Amy would be on the receiving end of a libel lawsuit, this website would be named as a co-defendant for allowing her to run unchecked making such damaging statements. In addition to the lawsuit you would've never seen on post by me as most of my information would be the evidence used to prove her guilty and the site guilty of contributory negligence.

I've said all I need to say on this matter. This will give you an opportunity to twist my words once again and have the last word on the matter. Not all people are as delusional and devoid of commonsense as you are. Sometimes I forget that. I won't change your mind no matter what proof I present or how many times I prove you wrong. I've done my bid for God and Country, if just one person avoids making a decision based on your lies and half-truths it was worth the effort.

I'm not sure if she's correct about this either. When your research has to cross an ocean things slow down. When that information gets to my desk I will make sure to let you know either way.

Too often in this country is the loudest considered the one telling the truth. Sadly that sort of tactic is employed when a person can't make their case.

Make no mistake about it, had Amy's claims turned out to be true I would've been right there with her demanding this company be put out of business.

I would agree with you and add that she also has some insecurity issues.

I took no offense. I firmly believe in a persons right to feel how they want and to voice their feelings accordingly. Not to mention you were provoked.

One last thing I forgot to put in the above post... I didn't see it on my clipboard when I was proofing.

On a different thread an ESL writer asked this question:

Post #2 answered his question and was completely on topic.

This was Amy's answer to his question:

This is the same theme over and over again from her. With every question put on the forum she makes sure she posts something to that effect. How can she say she has no agenda? I'm sure she'll be able to twist it into relevance

I'm not labeling the "facts" as hate and anger, I'm labeling your actions and words as hate and anger. I'm sorry if you don't understand that.

Pious, it's not my site. I have nothing to do with it at all.


That was just a minor point in her entire argument. She was running around claiming they were crooks when in fact there was no such evidence that they were. THAT'S what I took issue with. There are many reasons for that claim being on their site. Most of those hinted toward an oversight, misunderstanding or even incompetence... none of those reasons hint toward criminal action. I make that assertion because the rest of their claims were accurate albeit barely so at times.

As I said, she condemned them without researching and she misrepresented "evidence" and manufactured it when she needed to. That is unfair no matter what sort of suspicious persons they may or may not be. In the end her unfounded claims were steering aspiring writers away from what could be a valuable lesson for them, a confidence builder or supplemental income. In any event all this was an effort to provide accurate information to those people so they could make a well informed decision, not to defend the site.

Given Amy's silence I believe I can rest mine too.

you do what you can, I suppose.

I bow to your greatness. I've been trying to figure out a way to articulate that point.

Zig-Zag, the cigarette paper makers, knows most people use their product to smoke week yet they still manufacter the papers. What's your point? More hair splitting and holding them to a higher standard than you hold others.

I wonder is this the foundation of all your hate and anger. Were you constantly passed over for work that was given to "ESL" writers?

My mistake for taking you at YOUR word; at that time I assumed you researched your claims. My comments on their claims were based on a post earlier in this thread. You're the one who posted the quotes not me. Legally speaking the claims on a website's home page doesn't override statements elsewhere on the site. The law requires that all pertinent information be present. The information on the homepage is qualified within the site and falls under the same protection and interpretations as "fine-print" on a contract. Call a lawyer and spend the money to be advised before you go making claims you know nothing about that could potentially hurt a person or company - unethical behavior.

FYI it is your persistent propensity to call these people criminals in the face of evidence to the contrary that screams "agenda" on your part. If you're so sure they are in fact criminals please file a suit. I assure you based on your arguments your suit wouldn't survive summary judgment.

"They tell American consumers that their service is "quality" because they only employ native..." That's a criminal act to you? That warrants your wrath? I was watching a commercial for bottled water in our country that told me their water was the best quality because they only use a specific filtering process... I know for a fact that they also bottle several different brands of water that don't make such a claim. It's the same water. Bottled at the same plant. Sits in the same containment tanks. Does this make them criminal? They charge more for the "specially filtered" water even though the cheaper water is filtered too. Are they crooks? The parent company is based overseas. Are they criminally negligent because they're marketing to Americans. By your standard, yes. By a legal standard, no. Somewhere along the line the water is filtered by this specific process which makes their claim legal just as somewhere along the line they do have native English speaking writers. You're trying to take semantics and spin them into a crusade; another piece of evidence that you are personally invested in your quest - unethical behavior.


Sorry but my statement is less misleading than anything you've posted about Essay Writers. I live in Ohio. I have a LLC registered in this state. I tried to do it online but the state wouldn't accept it. They require actual paper documentation with my signature in order for the LLC to be legitimate. There is no way at all to get that documentation to the in 30 minutes as you claim. I called customer support at the website you listed and asked what was the fastest they could set up an LLC in Ohio and Virginia. Their expedited service was the fastest they offered. Ohio takes 7 to 10 days and Virginia takes 48 hours but you wouldn't have documentation for up to 2 weeks. Feel free to contact them to verify this information 800-981-7183. Here is the emailed information from Bizfilings:

Tony,

Thank you contacting BizFilings regarding your formation needs and timeframes.

Our typical timeframe for expedited orders is 7-10 business days. Non expedited orders typically take 4-6 weeks.
The expedited service is available in our standard and complete formation orders, or can be added to the basic formation package.

Virginia offers a 48 RUSH filing service for an additional $300. This means the filing will be processed with the state within 48 hours, however Virginia is a delayed state and taking about two weeks to send out the state filed documentation. So, you will have the formation date within 48 hours, then the documentation in about 2 weeks.

Please contact our office directly at 1.800.981.7183 or by replying to this email if you have any other questions, or if we can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
Myhia Fosshage
Customer Service Representative
BizFilings
1-800-981-7183 ext. 224
608-827-5300 ext. 224
608-827-5501 Fax
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Ohio and Virginia are the only two states that are relevant here. Ohio because my statement was made based on my experience here and Virginia because that is the state where the LLC in question is from. You're comment about the 30 minute LLC was to imply that maybe Essay Writer's people read this thread and created the LLC to cover their rears. As I pointed out before that LLC is on file with the state and even if they just got the LLC you can't coax the state into fudging the activation date. Just another piece of evidence to support my claim that you have a personal agenda and you're willing to use misinformation and misdirection to make you seem right - unethical behavior.

You also implied they could be using a stolen name. I contacted Virginia and they verified the ownership of the LLC. I researched the ownership and Essay Writers was among the list of other companies owned by the ownership of the LLC in question. IN short, it isn't a stolen name as you implied. Yet another example of the company not breaking the law as you claimed they are. Take the time, if you wish to argue this, to do a little research before popping off at the mouth, or keyboard in this case. It appears at no time did you look at anything with an objective eye. You see only what you want to see to help you build your case with reckless abandon - Unethical behavior.

The long and the short of it is that nothing is going to back you down. My statements are easily verified by minor research where yours differs with every post. If a neutral reader happened across this thread they could easily determine who here has the real agenda here. I have been balanced with my support and condemnation of this particular company. Read that as, I have said both good and bad things about them. You on the other hand can't make the same claim - ethical behavior. You have been steadfast in your unsubstantiated accusations of criminal activity even in the face of evidence exonerating them - unethical behavior.

This site is littered with your hateful statements toward writers from other countries. Your comments to and about these writers borders, if not crosses, the line between racisms and prejudice. What is even more concerning is you don't even realize just how mean and hateful your comments are; a hallmark of most racists. You're also guilty of posting thousands of words of hate and venom toward overseas essay companies who market to American clientele. You and a couple others are trying to spin me as a company rep but I need do no such spinning to expose you as a person with some sort of vengeful vendetta against these companies and "ESL" writers. Your hate and anger are tantamount to intolerance and that is the most unethical a person can get.

In the end you're nothing more than a person with an axe to grind with this company. Somewhere along the line the company did something to you that drove you crazy. I'd be suspect of any reason you'd post, as seldom do people as crazed as you reveal the real reasons for their insanity. On more than one occasion you've purposely conveyed false or twisted information to support your claims that these people are criminally negligent. I've done my best to dispel your half-truths and outright lies. Not because I have a vested interest in this company but because it is fair and just to do so. I'm sure you'll hit the keyboard, foaming at the moth, to attempt to spew more misinformation in an attempt to prove your personal feelings about this company are how this company does business - unethical behavior.

Punching holes in your "evidence" is rather simple as the truth doesn't support you. You say an LLC can be obtained in 30min and I've proven that statement wrong. You claimed that they didn't have an LLC on file and I've proved that wrong and provided you and other readers the direction to follow to see for themselves. You've claimed they have intentionally mislead the public and I've shown you, in your own evidence, how that isn't so. The list goes on and on. You consistently show yourself as someone who has a personal vendetta and a person who is willing to do anything to provide support for her personal crusade against this company. In the business world and in the real world that is textbook unethical behavior.

I can see your point but I disagree with it. Professors hand those assignments out for a reason. If an assignment is given to a student to do a report on space flight and the student purchases the paper what has he learned? Consider how much information you take in when you're researching a paper that you don't use in the final product.

Don't forget the researching skills you develop when you research your paper. What happens if that doctor you mention runs across a patient with a condition he's never seen before? Had he researched all his papers he'd have an easier time researching the patient's condition.

Truth be told I haven't explored the legality of this bizz. In my opinion the entire thing is unethical. Consider the possibility that one of these students using purchased papers could one day be your doctor.

First I would like to address a typo. That site doesn't list all the LLC's the company in question owned. In my haste I assumed the other names on the list were old names as all the other listing were inactive. I did catch my mistake but Amy replied before I could edit it.

As for the possibility that they stole the name. I Just did an online search and the only companies that show under that name belong to the same people who own Essay Writers. And for the record Virginia is the only state where the theft can take place so if you find one in another state it doesn't count. However, for a fee you can obtain a copy of the LLC and that will remove any doubt as to the owner of the LLC. I will purchase it in the morning when they open.

You can further research this at The State Department on a federal level. They will have information on file about the ownership of this company since it is international.

They claim to be American - LIE.

In a sense they aren't lying, again, it's a business thing

They claim to hire ONLY Master- and Doctoral-level writers - LIE

You are lying. We went over this in another thread and by your own evidence you were proven wrong due to the fact they used the word "most".

I'm sure the native language speaking thing has a "most" in there somewhere.

They claim to have been providing papers through their site(s), actively, since 1997.

You can't say that statement is false. You haven't done the research to make this claim false. They could've and probably had other company names doing the same or similar thing that makes this statement true. In order to disprove that statement you would need to obtain every name they've done business of this nature under and compare them to the dates and even then, as I explained before, it really doesn't mean much one way or another.

By the way, I, or anyone else on the planet, can open an LLC in 30 minutes at BizFilings.com.

Amy you're grasping at straws here. That is a state website. That LLC is registered by the state and on the states computer. If you've had any dealing with state government you know nothing takes 30minutes to do... and you're certainly not going to get them to fudge a date. Also, I can tell you from personal experience that you can't file and LLC on line. They require actual documentation.

Sweetheart, you have a serious problem and you need help. You're mean and vindictive toward foreign writers and this site. You're desperately trying to maintain that these people are crooks in spite of all the holes that have been shot in your claims. I'm sure I'm not the only one who notices how personal you're taking this. I would love to know what they really did to you to warrant such hatred. You remind me of one of my daughters when they're trying to convince me they're right about something they know they're wrong about. You really need to push away from the table on this subject because all this anger is going to burn you up, or worse. There are serious legal issues you could be facing. I've already proven you to be libelous on two points here. I'm sure if I keep looking I could find more.

Whatever happened you need to let it go and move on with your life. Nothing you do is going to put these people out of business. For every writer you chase away from that site three will be there to take their place. They have the pulse of writers and they know how to exploit them. They aren't breaking any laws in doing so, they're just doing business. The only one acting in an unethical manner is you.

I have to side with gibreel Amy. You come across as prejudice. It's the main reason I was picking on you earlier today. There is a mean hateful undertone to your postings whenever you mention writers and companies from other countries.

FYI in case you haven't seen it yet I located the LLC for that company you said didn't exsit. I posted a link on the thread.