You know, if clients and writers weren't routinely being ripped off by this set of companies, this would actually be funny. Nice thread WB.

um... i didn't write that, joneszr did.

joneszr did you skip your meds?

They have a toll free number on their site. They have a contact form. If you really want to ask them questions, just call the damn number and talk to one of their people. Spamming this board with your innane questions is pointless.

Because they don't want you working for their competitors? I mean, it seems pretty obvious. I would think that any company would have an interest in having their writers write for them exclusively. Exclusivity breeds loyalty and ensures that the writers are available to do company projects. If you work for 2 or more companies, then you might be busy working for a competitor and are unable to take a project, costing the company the opportunity to fill an order.

Of course, I don't work for just one company either. From a writer's perspective, it makes sense to work for multiple companies b/c it's better for us. It's just not better for them.

Related: https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/average-number-sites-work-freelance-writer-1862/

I have never worked for Masterpapers. They don't pay enough to hire full time American writers and I don't work for known frauds. I honestly never thought anyone would take that accusation seriously b/c it's so obvious that Writer911 is a liar lashing out at being caught.

Look at the links I posted. Writer911 has been claiming to be a writer, then in this post claims to be a client who works with a particular writer. These two stories do not work together. A professional writer does not need to hire another writer to do their schoolwork for them. Writer911 is obviously a liar who is trying to get business.

The fact that Writer 911 didn't change her/his name before claiming to be a client makes Writer911 not only a crook, but a stupid one at that.

Writer 911, I am worried about you. This international site should help you get the support you need:

justbewell.com/compulsive_lying_hypnotherapy_nlp_help_london.html

Writer911 has self-identified as a writer on multiple occasions. Some links:

https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/important-real-website-make-money-writing-572/#msg7817

https://essayscam.org/forum/wc/researcheden-site-suspended-506/

Now Writer911 is claiming to be a client who works only with one writer at Masterpapers.com. I call BS. A writer doesn't need to hire other people to write for them. You're clearly trying to endorse yourself, Writer 12750.

Inquirer, your quote is incorrect. WB didn't write that "eagle" line, ndungu did.

Mre, if you aren't a supporter for another company, why did you attempt to promote a company in Pakistan on essay fraud?

Essay fraud is not down. I'm not sure why folks can't see the messages. It's pretty clear. One post by MRE asking "Is Personal Term Paper a legitimate website?" then a response by the Essay fraud mod saying "We do not provide recommendations" and then a post by MRE that had to be deleted by the Mod b/c of Mre's attempt to promote a site in Pakistan.

If you think "they are all fraudulent in some form or another," then that just shows that you haven't interacted with enough companies. I can name 3 that have consistently paid me without any problems, that check for plagiarism and that fire writers who do plagiarize.

That is weird, the link works fine for me.

So I'm "posing as 'just a poster'" and supporting a corrupt company and website, huh? Do you have any evidence for that or do you think that throwing out baseless accusations scores you points with the readers?

I'm pretty darn consistent in my posts. I try to give people general advice and have never, publicly or privately, recommended a site. But please, back up your accusation.

I post on this site b/c I'm a writer and I like to keep up with the current scams and consumer opinion concerning different companies that I may decide to work for in the future. Why do you post here again?

Oh, and PS: I can do a search and find a negative thread about Personal Term Paper Writers. So your claim that "every negative post about the company is deleted" is just a lie.

Oh, someone went fishing and didn't catch anything...

Legitimate-Website-t592.html

boo freakin' hoo.

So, you tried to link your company in the Ukraine on the essay fraud forum while baiting them about Personal Term Paper Writers and got the smackdown. No wonder you are so bitter.

So, 42 posts on this forum total for you mre. Can you point to 1 that doesn't attack WB? It's so obvious that you are just a newly created troll account by some fraudulent company/writer who is unhappy with the state of the world.

Darren, I would recommend that you not contact and work with a writer through this site. There have been posts recently by posters who tried working with a writer first contacted through this site who ended up being cheated. You can read through the forum and see. Working with a reputable company will give you some legal protections whereas working with an anon writer over the net will not.

If you search through this and other sites, you can figure out which companies are fraudulent and which provide good work. I would suggest that you go with a company based in your own country (verify it's location, don't just trust them outright) to protect yourself legally.

If Personal Term Paper Writers is fraudulent, then the company's customers and/or writers are capable of starting their own threads and posting about their experiences... just like essaywriters.net and other companies.

Your trolling has gotten really old. So, why don't you like Personal Term Paper Writers? Have you actually had any interactions with the company or is this just a professional rivalry issue?

Type "superiorpapers" into the search bar on the right of this forum and you'll get several hits to tell you about the company.

Right, and "common sense" leads folks to believe that the sun revolves around the earth. Common sense should give way to evidence disproving its claims.

It's absurd to think that multiple academic professors would twist the data to bias their reports to show that students aren't using the papers to cheat. If anyone, professors (particularly those in the UK, where according to SS ALL uses of essay companies constitutes cheating) should be foaming at the mouths doctoring the data to show that ALL students cheat.

I think you're wrong about that. I would think that the presumption to provide evidence for that contention falls upon you. If you provide the ev, I'll certainly read it.


Dunno, I don't work HR =p

I'm saying that multiple published academic studies should be given a greater weight than your personal views.

I wouldn't limit this viewpoint to just this industry; frankly, my preference for evidence to ground opinion applies to pretty much all subjects. The earth is flat sure seemed like common sense at the time, and some people still believe that the earth is flat, but...

I could ask you what percentage of customers you believe cheat... but what would be the point? It would be purely a guess, based upon no controlled study and unreliable data.

Common sense only gets one so far. When the common sense of a few clash, I'll gladly take empirical evidence as the tie breaker. I did the research before I started working in this field, so I entered it with an open mind and I didn't really find the evidence surprising.

You're suggesting now that Papermasters, ********* and others used to price at $60-70 per page and then dropped their prices to compete w/ ESL writers. Not true.

If you want to check the reliability of the data, I suggest you read the studies. I posted information on 4 different studies published in academic journals in the U.S. or the U.K. They all supported the 2-3% figure. So, in light of zero counter evidence, I'd say their reliability is pretty good.

So where is your counter evidence?

Posting in all caps is pretty obnoxious.

So, how many is MANY (as you stated in your sentence?). I provided evidence that said 2-3% of student customers turn in their purchased essays as their own months ago and you NEVER provided any counter evidence, so I'm quite curious as to the source of your information and what percentage of student consumers you contend are turning in their papers as their own.

Interesting, I had never heard of that company.
My point still stands, however. There are plenty of American verified companies that charge in the 30ish range for rush rather than the 60+ range as inquirer suggested - the supposed price difference between proficient ESL writers and proficient American writers isn't very large.

Rubbish. Students who don't submit essays as their own would have no reason to frequent this site or post, making the population of individuals that you claim to support your thesis tainted.

Not correct. As I stated, I made more last year from my writing than the average salary in the U.S. for a tenured professor, which is the area where an individual with a Ph.D. is most likely to be employed.

And your claim that Americans charge $60 to $70 per page but ESL's charge $30 for rush is rubbish. Just to use a couple of examples of the more prominent American companies:

********* : 38$ per page for rush.
Papermasters : $32 or 33 per page for rush.
What American writers are charging $60 to 70 for rush?

The rest of your response is just a collection of additional, unevidenced assertions.

Wow, your post isn't biased.

So ESL writers can specialize in a variety of different fields but American writers can't.
And American writers are losers who should be doing better things but ESL writers are less expensive and better! Really!
And the U.S. is the birthplace of the world's universal language? Not Great Britain? And the SS twins haven't chimed in yet? I'm shocked.

Your post is nothing but assertions with no data and a clear attempt to promote ESL writers over Americans based upon stereotypes. So how many ESL writers do you know that you used to form your conclusions? How about American writers? Was there a survey passed around that I somehow missed?

Is this an argument? You're an ass. Attempting to pass off opinion as fact is low.

PS - I'm American, hold three degrees in three completely different areas and I write b/c it pays me more than the average salary made by professors in the U.S. (feel free to look up the data), I have the freedom to travel while working (on a vacation outside of the US now but still working) and I enjoy writing.

Damn, there are a lot of grammar mistakes here. This is just bad.

This thread SHOULD be deleted.

Pricing typically varies according to subject, timeframe and overall length (word count).

Working with a company or working with an individual? Both have risks. Working with an individual means you have little recourse if the writer doesn't come through. I don't see a writer delivering work to you without payment in advance.

If you work with an individual, it's probably best to know them personally.

If you work with a company, work within a company based in your own nation so you have legal options in case of scam.

The rest? You really have to do the work yourself. There are reputable companies out there. Once you find one, stick with them.

You're new to the forum so I think that some of us are giving you a free pass.
This debate is ok, your argument isn't as strong as you think it is, and if you want to see arguments against your assertion, start searching the forum.

Hi inquirer,
Since this board doesn't allow recommendations, I don't post the companies that I work with. I do write for more than one, however, and recommend that other writers do the same.

So clients thought they were hiring Muntazir but got Sania instead b/c Sania was working for Muntazir?

That seems really unethical. Isn't the whole point of Essaybay to allow customers to see the credentials of the writers? So Muntazir's customers thought they were getting someone with Muntazir's knowledge and schooling but instead got Sania, with no knowledge of the switch and no knowledge of Sania's background?

If that's true, I don't see how defending Muntazir as "not the author" helps Muntazir's reputation.

you just mean the web page right?
I went to it a couple of times and it keeps popping up ok for me. I didn't go beyond that, however.

I don't work for them so have no clue beyond that.

looks fine to me.

Asking her to provide proof months after the fact is absurd and unreasonable; you know that. And frankly, that doesn't matter.

What matters is that she posted the name of 6 companies and defended each of them against the accusation that they allowed students to turn in their papers as their own.

WB is not a prognosticator. She isn't Destiny from the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (though she might be Mystique). That post would be enough to get you to stop this crusade if you weren't so intent on spamming this forum with garbage.


Here's a few comments by you. Note, they are all presumptive of GUILT by the companies rather than any rational, unbiased viewpoint that one would expect from an honorable researcher:



And then to top it off, you aren't even content to keep this feud to one thread. Instead, you follow WB around to other threads like this one: like a bully in a playground.

The rest of us on this board shouldn't have to be forced to avoid the entire forum just to avoid this crap.

I am just waiting to be accused of being you.
Then the circle of life will be complete.

Seriously, WB did that when she asked the list of 6 or so American companies if they allowed students to turn in papers as their own. WB wrote that post months ago. Your only answer to that is to ignore it. It's pretty obvious that WB talked to several companies and listed them publicly for everyone to see - months before this ridiculous argument.

WB has defended other companies publicly. WB has talked to other companies about their practices and posted about it. Why that isn't enough for you to finish this ridiculous feud is beyond me.

The only explanation is that you have an irredeemable grudge against this industry. You have repeatedly tried to assert that this industry has no honorable professionals working in it and then you go after WB b/c she vocally distinguishes frauds from legit companies. In your eyes, everyone working with this industry is a fraud and so you attack as much as you can.

And then you promise to collect data to prove that companies claiming to not be fraudulent will hire ESL writers as some way of making them all look bad - - and then you don't even follow through on that, claiming that you're "too busy." But you aren't too busy to create and continue an entirely wasted argument over several days and pages.

It's just ridiculous. You aren't a writer. You aren't a customer. You're just a person with a grudge and too much time on your hands.

To be fair, SS2 (solidsnake), this is what SS1 said:


Clearly false, as demonstrated by the links. I'd remembered the papermasters thread as well as the inquiries regarding the list of companies to demonstrate that they tell students not to turn in papers. She kept pushing it after claiming to have read all of WB's posts.

SS1 was wrong and she refuses to admit it. It's pretty childish.

Doh, rereading this, I guess my post came off as a bit self-serving.

I think I've posted this elsewhere, but just to clarify - I do, on occasion, apply to the companies accused of fraud in order to check them out. I typically do that for 2-3 projects (ie, staying well below the $300 mark), see if they pay, etc. I've done it for premiumwriting, authorsmania, and a few others I can't think of off the top of my head. I don't post about the results b/c I'm not sure that a job or two is really a good basis for discussion but I've found it helps me to get a better idea of how things work.

I haven't done it for EW yet just b/c there are so many complaints about the company. But EWwriter's comments made me thing it would be worth checking out, but his more recent comments pretty much confirmed anything that I could hope to learn by applying to check them out.

Anyway, that should clarify things.

All you or EW or anyone else has to do is go to their website to get that information. I found the answer in about 2 minutes.


I'd suggest you not take WB up on her offer SS. Off the top of my head, I can think of at least 2 other companies that I'm pretty sure WB has defended in the past.

This thread is weird.

Probably not applying, so don't worry =) It was just a passing thought. In the US, I can work for an infinite number of clients and not claim taxes from them as long as I don't earn more then 300$. That gives me some flexibility in taking small jobs that don't pay very well b/c they're saving me the 1/3 to 1/4 that I would pay in taxes (ie., I was thinking that a job worth 8$ at EW would functionally be worth 12$ b/c of the no taxes). So, even if I did apply, I'd only be taking a few jobs a year.

But I have enough ideological problems with the company that I don't think it would be right for me to work for them... besides, it's more fun to occasionally butt heads with you.

summer61 - there is a search function on the right top side of this forum. If you type in custompapers.com, you should get a lot of hits.

EW, do you honestly think that a writer who applied to EW and avoided any plagiarism of any kind wouldn't experience problems with being paid? It's slow season, I'm enjoying my time off between travelling and I'm honestly thinking about applying to see how things go (and no, after 2+ years of doing this, the hint of plagiarism hasn't even beenn raised).