Both terms can be used interchangeably I believe. Thanks for the tip.

At my service we define a double spaced page as roughly 275 words. Now, some fonts are larger than others but that only makes a difference when the number of pages requested is 10+. Most service I have come across use a range of 250-300 words.

Outsourcing is a hallmark of the custom writing industry on all levels. One sure way to find out where a service is located and whether the work is being outsourced is by looking at the rates charged.

Lower that average rates can suggest the following:

1) The owners of the service do the writing (both undergraduate and graduate papers) themselves.

2) The work is outsourced to freelance writers who are willing to accept extremely low rates (likely because they live in a country where there is a low standard of living).

3) The service is legitimate and has a business model that depends on getting a lot of orders at a lower margin.

It's impossible to really know until you see the quality of the work delivered. If you're unsure about a service I suggest placing a very small mock order. It will save you from having to scramble in the event that the quality is poor. That's one method we've used at my service. We provide new writers we bring on with a mock job to work on. It costs us $20-$40 but saves us the headache of having to deal with a crappy writer that happened to submit great samples.

It obviously depends on the context. I didn't create this thread to give know it all students a lesson in grammar, but here goes..

"ensure, insure, assure, secure mean to make a thing or person sure. ensure, insure, and assure are interchangeable in many contexts where they indicate the making certain or inevitable of an outcome, but ensure may imply a virtual guarantee <the government has ensured the safety of the refugees>, while insure sometimes stresses the taking of necessary measures beforehand <careful planning should insure the success of the party>"

merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ensure

You'll have to come up with a better way to delegitimize this thread my friend. Scanning for spelling and grammatical errors is petty. You can do better.

Cheers

umm open up microsoft word and type in Arial size 12, then again in times new roman size 12. One is clearly larger than the other and if you're buying from a services that charges on a per double-spaced page basis it will make a difference.

Great. So I used it in the correct context after all...

Customers who receive a poorly written paper get their money back and 50% off their next purchase.

We can argue about this all day, and a simple google search will show that there are varying opinions. I'd love to get back to discussing the topic of the thread...

Fair enough. I shouldn't have said 'only'. The number of pages does have to be somewhat significant.

Sorry dude, I'm not extending this back and forth any longer. I already provided evidence and explained myself. This thread is not about my grammar or your attempts to troll/delegitimize. I don't feed trolls or grammar nazis. Unless you have something to contribute to this thread please take your petty style elsewhere.

Here's a useful resource. words to pages. It's not 100% accurate but pretty close.

Not only are you a troll, you're a crappy troll with thin skin. It's a tough world out there, don't let randoms on the internet get under your skin. Cheers.

I agree. Services that produce quality papers succeed in the long-run. Repeat customers are the bread and butter of any successful writing service. If less than 50-75% of your customers are coming back something is wrong.

good for you lol why the insecurity?

lol Your skin gets thinner with each post. I'll stop before your head explodes. Run along now troll.

Lol I'm not associating my domain name with this cesspool. If I had to have my domain name appear in a forum for me to "cash in" my business would be in trouble. There are better ways to promote a service than throwing an insecure angry individual a bone to chew on.

I am genuinely interested in answering any questions anyone here may have about the operations of a successful academic writing service. If you would like to engage with me like an adult I will be more than happy to answer your questions.

Aren't you the troll running around and calling everyone out for spamming? Now you're fuming because I won't 'cash in'? This forum is not the place to air out your insecurities and bitterness. Life is too short for you to be this angry. Run along now, troll.

@Major

1) Not every paper written is going to be perfect. Even the best of the best will have instances where poorly written work is delivered. It's the nature of the business. That's why guarantees are in place. For instance, my service offers unlimited revisions free of charge alongside other guarantees. That doesn't make my service special...it's quite common to offer something of that nature.

2) This is a great place for customers to share their experience with various academic services. It's also a place where a great number of services create fake accounts in order to boast and promote their websites. I would much rather have my service discussed by customers who have used it. I won't start promoting my service in a thread where I said I wouldn't because someone who's clearly interested in nitpicking and looking for anyway to discredit me called me chickens-i*.

@Major

My service has been in operation for a little over a year. We specialize in writing papers at the undergraduate level. We don't write PhD level papers. Undergrad essays and assignments are easier to manage, and the pool of qualified writers is much larger. Our average order is a second-third year paper, 6 pages double spaced and has an average turnaround time of 4 days.

@graphophobius I was born and raised in Canada. English is the only language I read, write and speak. What exactly is suspect about my writing style?

The vast majority of my writers are also Canadian. All of them speak English as a first language. I have a few American writers, and one writer who's from the UK.

To your point, I think the likes of writers2beware are keeping this forum from becoming the vibrant and positive community it could and should be. It's hard to find an open thread that isn't riddled with his crazy rants.

Fair enough. I'll take that as constructive criticism.


That's true. I'm sure the same could be said of any member on this forum or any other forum for that matter.


Prices are set based on the due date of the order and the level the client would like the paper to be written. Prices go from as low as $25 to as high as $40. That's Canadian dollars....$20-$32 USD. Customers have the ability to correspond with writers in a number of ways. Without getting into the details of how my system works, writers and customers are able to have a back and forth and my clients make regular use of this feature. I've actually invested quite a bit in doing everything possible to remove the middleman all together, while of course maintaining a mechanism that prevents my writers from picking off my clients. I'm a big fan of automation to the fullest extent possible. Low cost and effective scaling is the way to go


I've used websites like Elance and Guru in the past, albeit will limited success. I only hire writers from North America and the UK, and 90% of applicants I get through these popular freelancing websites are from places like India, Pakistan etc.. I've most recently used classified ads. I have writers fill out an application form and provide a few samples of their work. I try to either call or skype every writer I consider bringing on board. I've gone through the unfortunate experience of having a writer jump ship mid job, and it's not fun having to either cancel an order or scramble to find a writer willing to complete it on short notice. Calling them gives me the ability to assess how serious they are and how committed they would be. I end up hiring about 5-10% of all applicants. As far as pay, they get 30-40% of revenue depending on the job. Some writers get more than others. I also tip generously every now and then. It's hard to be successful if your writers aren't happy. A majority of my writers have been with me from day one, and I attribute a large part of my success to the relationships I've built with them.

Undergraduate students. The more urgent the order, the more my writers get paid. Average rate I pay is $11/double spaced page. I think that's quite reasonable for undergraduate level papers. For my American writers that translates to $13/double spaced page...the exchange rate has been quite bad recently. We don't do papers at the Masters or PhD level. I might change course in the future, and if I do I will of course have to pay my writers more. My main competitors pay their Masters level writers $15/double spaced page. I offer more than enough to be able to attract talented writers.

As far as qualifications, undergraduate degree from a reputable University with distinction (at least a 3.2 GPA).


There is absolutely nothing invasive about my style. In fact, I let my writers choose which papers to work on at their convenience. As long as it falls under their area of expertise, of course. Some of my writers get through 15-20 papers a month, others chose to work on less than 10. It's entirely up to them, and so far this approach has worked quite well. My top writers earn over $1,000 per month throughout an academic semester.

I pay my American writers in USD, and my Canadian writer in CAD. Mind you, I had this policy in place when the rate was 1 to 1. I wasn't willing to cut my American writers' rates by 20-30% because of the recent change in the exchange rate. 80% of my writers are Canadian and so this hasn't cut into my bottom line to a great extent.

Dude, you're on crack. 1) Undergrads do have areas of expertise 2) Math is clearly not one of yours. Who on earth would pay $11/double spaced page for an undergrad essay from the 'dark continent'. Do you know what the minimum wage is in Kenya? India? Pakistan? Ukraine? Experienced engineers don't make $10/hour in some of those countries, if not all of them.

The absolute number they make is irrelevant. $1,000, $2,000 or $100. The rate is what matters, and I pay a fair rate. For one of my top writers at the moment to go $1,000 to $2,000, I would have to go from $11.double spaced page to $20. Either that, or they start writing 30 papers a month. $20 is completely unreasonable for an undergraduate paper, and I don't have any writers who have completed more than 15-20 papers in one month.

The decision to pay a writer 10-20 times the hourly minimum wage in their country for a double spaced page is yours, and has absolutely nothing to do with what is fair here in Canada. What I pay my writers has nothing to do with your idiotic decisions.


You stated earlier that standard ghost writing rates are $0.26-$0.5 per word...for argument's sake, let's take the lower end of that range. That translates to a rate $65 for a 250 word double spaced page! are you out of your mind? Sorry pal, but writing isn't as lucrative as you would like it to be. If I'm paying my writers $65, how much should I be charging my client??? $75? $85? for an undergraduate paper? Get a clue. You have no idea what you're talking about.


No, I'm servicing undergraduate students who can't afford your crazy rates.

Your decision to pay someone from the 'dark continent' $10/ double spaced page is what I was referring to as idiotic. Like I said earlier, that's 10-20 times the minimum wage in some of those countries. That's like paying a Canadian writer $100-$200/ double spaced page! $10/ double spaced page is not the standard rate for these writers, it's the rate they get when dealing with people who aren't educated or knowledgeable enough to negotiate a fair rate, such as yourself.


I never claimed that you said you're making that much. You said earlier that the standard rate is $0.26-$0.50 USD per word. That's a range of $65 to $120 per double spaced page, because you know, writers get paid more than Engineers, Certified Accountants, and a whole host of professions that for the most part pay quite well.

As far as I'm concerned, the rates listed in that website are absolute junk, and if true, would be a ripoff of epic proportions. I pay my writers for papers written at the undergraduate level. What category does that fall under in your list? Ghost writing? That's listed as $50-$60 per hour! are you kidding me? That's double the rate you claim to make. Better get in touch with the good folks you work for and demand a raise.


1) As a business owner I don't take any offense to being compared to the most successful and profitable corporation in human history. 2) You're clueless. You clearly know and understand very little about servicing undergraduate students. My writers are all happy with the rate I pay as it falls within the range of what my competitors offer, and 80%+ of my clients are repeat customers.

I guess the difference between you and I is that I gained my knowledge from running a profitable and growing business, and you gained yours by getting ripped off by some Kenyan dude.

lol I am an engineer. I have a very good idea of what engineers make. You're clueless. Sure there are writers that can make more than the average of the two professions, but the vast, vast majority do not. Your average engineer makes about $65,000 per year, plus benefits. That's about $30-$40/hour. Software engineers will make that much right out of school! If you really believe that, as the website you referenced suggests, a writer deserves $50-$60/hour for ghost writing then you're out of your mind.

How cute. Your attempt at sarcasm is almost is bad as your basic math skills. Look pal, I never claimed to run a multi million dollar business. I hope that's not how you define success, otherwise 99% of all businesses would be considered failures. You need to get a grip on reality. It seems that you live in a fantasy world where writers work for fortune 500 companies and have money flowing out of their pockets. You're never going to see anything close to $50/hour. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll stop wasting your life.

Your writing style is a bit suspect a, so I'm wondering about your ESL status....

I've answered each of your 'criticisms', and I have also called you out on your ridiculous claims and complete fantasies.