I write for several companies and have had bad experiences with most of them, usually issues over pay and being accused of plagairism for using direct quotes from journals (which are properly refernced - therefore not plagairised) I am tempted to set up my own company and cut out the middle man. At least that way I wouldn't have to rely on the companies deciding to pay me when they feel like it.

I work for a site giving online legal advice and was once asked to do an essay as a guideline. to ensure the person making the request could not use it without changing the information I copyrighted the essay and as I also work for some of the universities writing model answers I also submitted the same essay to them. The customer did submit the work as his own (cheeky sod) and failed his course for plagairism (justice or what!!)

Yes I stated that I write for more than one company but the companies I write for actually supply model answers to universities, All the essays I have written still belong to me and cannot be used by others as their own. Even these companies are appalling at paying their writers and come up with excuses as to why the money is late. In recent times the only essays I have done are guideline essays through the tuition site I work for or the model answers for universities.

I am totally against students submitting work done by someone else as though it is their own which is why I copyright my work and post it on plagairism scanning sites so that if anyone does try to submit it as their own they are likely to get in trouble.

By all means ask for a guideline essay or online assistance there is nothing wrong with that but don't pass someone else's work off as your own!

I agree with earlbird that it is totally unethical and wrong for students to request these essays and then pass them off as their own

Maybe I should set up a set just for online tuition and essay writing guidance as well as proof reading :lol: could still make a good profit and charge loads less than these essay writing sites. I sometimes wonder who runs this forum as there are certain essay writing sites that don't seem to get a mention and I am sure that they don't have 100% totally satisfied customers. Maybe this forum is run by one of them to knock all the other essay writing sites. It wouldn't be difficult for an essay writing site to set something up like that.

One site I did like for essays is essays-r-us.co.uk as they offer essays as research papers only so that students can get an idea of how to write a good standard essay. They are also linked to a site called law-tuition.co.uk which gives online law tuition. I have never heard anyone on here making bad comments about it so maybe they are doing something right :lol:

If you are trying to insinuate that I have some ulterior motive in mentioning this site I don't. I have been looking for sites where I can sel model answers to as opposed to becoming a custom writer. I figured as I already have sold many suh model answers to universities (primarily Birmingham University) that it wouldn't hurt to sell them to one of the sites where they state that the essays are supposed to be for guidance only.

The way the essays are o that site where you could get several people buyng the same essay would mean that you would have to use it as a guideline. Least that was the way I read it- correct me if I'm wrong.

I can live with writing essays as guidelines- its only the same as a student borrowing a book or disertation paper from the library and using it as a reference point.

Hi there

I have also recently written 4 essays for essay writing agency and have not been paid. I am about to start proceedings in the small claims court against the company and have written to them informing them of this.

I have been promised 3 times already that I was going to be paid, It is nonsense to argue that he is having financial problems and therefore cannot pay his writers as he is obviously taking money from the clients which is obviously more than he pays his writers so there is absolutely no reaon why he cannot pay those who have done the work requested.

I will post on here the outcome of whether I have to take full court action against this company to get my money. As a qualified barrister it may well be that Joe has chosen the wrong person to try and rip off in this way

Actually the University of Lincoln officially becane known as such in 2002, I was a student there at the time and was amongst the first students to graduate from there under its new name. When I started my course in 1999 it was the University of Lincolnshire and Humberside and all the law courses had been transferred from the site at Hul University to Lincoln which is how I ended up there.

Just before finishing the course the university changed its name and my friends and I all ended up with a degree from the newly formed university which frankly was not worth the paper it was written on as its ranking was virtually non existent as it was essentially a new institution.

Writersbeware

I dont know you and have never had any conversation with you but having read your posts I find you to be rude and ignorant. every post of yours is on the offensive and aimed at attacking others. you come across as arrogant and self opinionated and seem to have a chip on your shoulder against anyone that is not from america. you also have a very high opinion of yourself as far as your writing ability is concerned. If your essays are of such a high standard why arent you a published writer??

I mark university essays alongside several other professors I work with. I challenge you to email me one of your essays for marking by one of my colleagues to see if you can put your money were your mouth is.

And you say my writing contains grammatical errors. Seems you have missed a word out and cannot spell conversation and obviously have a hang up about Filipino's. Before you start accusing me of being Filipino may I point out that I am British. Unlike you I am quite prepared to accept that nationality has very little to do with ones ability to be able to write good essays or bad ones.

I have yet to see any reference to any published work of yours and would gladly send you my published disertation if you would like to see how a good essay should be written. You could maybe find someone to read it to you to explain any of the difficult words!!

I am not an apologist as you put it I merely was pointing out that I find you rude and offensive. There are many ways in which your point could be put across but diplomacy is obviously not in your vocabulary.

You challenged me to find errors in your posts which is why I pointed out your typing errors and you constantly criticise the paragraphs I have written without specifically pointing out those parts you deem to be erroneous.

I think you will find that grammar used in the US is significantly different to other countries and there are a lot of colloquial phrases used in every country around the world. Just because my writing style does not match your American standards it does not mean that my writing is grammatically incorrect.

The essays I mark are for English University students, in particular Birmingham University whom I am employed by. I have a PHD in law and am a qualified barrister as well as lecturing in law to Open University students.

I understand your gripe about some of the essay sites purporting to employ only native American writers and using non english speaking writers and I would agree that this is fraudulent. My objection is to the way in which you chose to launch an attack on anyone that does not share your views and the diaboloical way you resort to personal insults to get your point across. Could you explain why you feel the need to belittle people in this way or is it just a way of drawing attention to yourself because you are largely ignored if you do not attack people in this manner?

Please do that would be so enlightening!! Yet again you have to resort to being impolite. Maybe you are just a totally disagreeable person!

I am not making a personal attack, I was merely addressing the issue of your rudeness to others and challenging whether this rudeness is really necessary just to get your point across! I abhor rudeness and have brought my children up to be respectful to others regardless of any personal issues they may have with other people. Is it too much to ask that you refrain from the unnecessary insults against people just because they don't agree with you?

Kindness and politeness costs nothing. If you want respect from others for the posts you make you have to earn respect. You are not going to get respect from others unless you can give them the same respect. I am not asking you to accept the dishonest behaviour of a minor few, but would like to think that you are educated enough to work out that most people that post on here are just employees of these companies and not the villains you make them out to be. It should be the owners of the companies that you aim your anger at and not the individuals employed by them who are just trying to make some extra money to make their lives better.

The companies who employ the writers send out the essays to the writers, regardless of whether that writer is qualified to write the type of essay requested. I have frequently been asked to write essays which are totally off subject, and because of my integrity I refuse, rather than attempt the essay and give someone a sub standard piece of work. Unfortunately other writers might feel that they are capable, since the company would not have sent them the piece of work if they did not have confidence in their ability. I have frequently corrected the work of such writers when the customer has asked for the essay to be rewritten, but this is still a fault of the company rather than the writer as they are being asked to write things that are beyond their capabilities.

I am still waiting for your line by line analysis of my grammatical errors. I would hate to think that my grammar would be sub standard when I start essay marking again at the end of this month, though I have never had any complaints in the last 10 years that I have been studying and working in this line of work.

Please enlighten me as to when I was rude. I do not believe I have resorted to any personal attack on WB and as for condescending I am merely highlighting that I find WB abrasive and rude, how is that condescending.


I do not pretend to be able to identify fraudulent companies and am also prepared to accept that some of the writers who work for these companies might not be aware that the company they work for is passing themselves off as based in the US. As one who has never bothered to delve into the location of these essay writing companies I would not have any reason to not believe thweir claims in respect of location and therefore would not consider that their claims to be in the US were not bona fide.


'Knowingly' would appear to be the key word here. Unless people bother to check the validity of the claims made by these companies they would not necessarily know that the company is not located where they claim to be.


I thought you thrived on proving your point. Your failure to prove your point in this matter demonstrates to me that you are unable to prove your allegation

Is that the best that you can come up with, that I did not insert commas in my post? When writing on forums such as this, I have neither the inclination nor the desire to bother about the use of commas or apostrophes since it is hardly going to be submitted as a piece of written work to be marked by professors.


This is a colloquialism that is used in conversational English and would not be likely to be used in an essay. The phrase 'put your money where your mouth is' is used to challenge someone to prove their assertion, and is used widely in conversational English. I was not for one minute suggesting that this would be used in an essay. I would have thought you had the intelligence to understand this. Just as you used the phrase


which is also grammatically incorrect.

Whilst we are on this point when as


ever been used in an essay?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone :)

Touched a raw nerve there did I? I was unaware that posting on here required the use of perfect grammar and I did not hold myself up as an expert, as you put it, I merely pointed out that I mark students essays. I hardly think that qualifies anyone as an expert.

I rightly class myself as an expert in law, having qualified as a barrister, and working in the courts as a prosecutor. My membership of the Bar Council also entitles me to class myself as an expert in the field of law.

When I first challenged your rudeness, which by the way I still stand by, I was not in this least bothered about ensuring any of my posts were grammatically correct. You chose to attack my use of grammar as you could not excuse your rudeness to people, and then proceeded to challenge this to defer the subject away from your rudeness.

This is not some personal vendetta, though you seem determined on making it one. I am just as abhorrent of anyone else that resorts to personal insults and attacks on others just to get their point across. I am extremely disgusted with your use of expletives as written above, and find this inexcusable. This is the sort of behaviour I would expect from a child, who cannot get their own way, and as such I am going to treat you as one.

You are right, the topic is closed, but not because of the reasons mentioned by you above. From my point of view the topic is closed because you are rude and obnoxious and are not worthy of any respect. I will not pamper to your desire to continue being rude, and I am certainly not prepared to continue talking to someone who resorts to vile language when they are challenged about their rudeness. Goodbye!


Joey I am most certainly not Filipino. I am British born and bred. I live in England and work as a barrister in Lincolnshire. I have never been outside of the UK in all of my life.

Just because I defended those the WB was making comments against it does not follow that I am of that nationality. I abhor any form of race discrimination, which I suppose is good given that I work alongside people from many nations, and I am just as prepared to stand up and comment on the rudeness of anyone else on this forum.

I have no problem with you at all Joey as you have never been rude to anyone on here, however, should you resort to such behaviour then I would feel obliged to comment.

The issue of where Joey works is for his own conscience, and it is not up to me to condemn or condone whatever he chooses to do. In my opinion students should be doing this work themselves anyway, and not relying on any essay writing services to provide the essays for them. I certainly had no assistance with my work and did very well in all of my exams and coursework. It would never have entered my head to use one of these services as I would not trust anyone to write my work for me.

I admit I have written for students, and I am happy to take their money if they are foolish enough to want to part with it. Get real! If you have a choice between paying £100 for an essay or using one of the cheaper companies that only charge £30 you can expect a less quality paper. The same is true in all walks of life. If you buy a sofa at £300 it is obviously not going to be as good as one that costs £1000.

In my opinion ALL students should do their own work and not rely on others to write the essays and then pass these off as if they are their own work. As I no longer write for students, because I disagree with the way in which they pass the work off as their own rather than use it as a guideline, I think that all essay writing sites should be abolished and the students be made to do their own work. At the end of the day they are only kidding themselves that they have the capability to write a good essay by passing off other people's work as their own.

Not a hypocrite, just honest. I also pointed out that I NO LONGER write for them, as I consider it unethical that they should submit my work as though it is their own.


Tell that to all the criminal I have successfully prosecuted and put behind bars. The real criminals are those committing murders, rapists and child abusers. Low on the agenda is those that rip off lazy students who cannot be bothered to get off their bums and write their own essays.

WB you talk about essay companies who lie to students about their credential, what about students lying to their academic establishments by passing someone else's work off as their own?

And students might not pass their courses if they do not get others to do their work for them!!

That is not my point at all as well you know, but then I would expect you to defend students who submit work as their own as you are obvioulsy making a profit from writing their work for them. Does it not prick your conscience that students are submitting your work as their own?

I was not for one moment suggesting that one person should determine who is more worthy of legal protection than another, however in such matters regarding the selling of substandard essays this area rightly belongs within in the realms of civil law in the UK. The courts would not regard this as a criminal action regardless of the lies told by the companies as to their country of origin or the nationality of their writers. In English law the courts would expect those that have paid for the essays and are not happy with the services provided to pursue a claim in the small claims court under civil procedure.

If the companies where taking money from the customers and then not providing anything in return then the courts would view this as criminal and would prosecute them for fraud. It is not viewed by the English courts as fraud if a company lies about its country of origin etc.

As for your comment about me not judging Joey that is not the point I was making as I clearly stated in one of my previous posts is that is for Joey to reconcile his conscience with. Joey clearly accepts that the company he works for pretends that he is a native English speaking writer and is obviously not bothered about this lack of integrity so long as it provides him with an income. The point I was trying to make is that the students paying for the essays are surely not so naive to believe that they are going to get a good quality essay if they are paying budget prices. Following from this they must the question the kind of writer that would be prepared to write such a lengthy essay for such a ridiculous price which should then lead to the conclusion that the writer is probably a native of a country were the wages are particularly low such a third world countries. This should then make them question the content of the essay they will receive given that the writer is more than likely not going to be a native speaker of English.


Joey any respect you might have had from me has been extinguished by the fact that you have chosen to resort to the kind of behaviour I condemned from WB. Your use of asterix to mask expletives also deserves condemnation as there is absolutely no reason for you to behave in this manner. You have demeaned yourself to the level of WB in your rudeness and are therefore no better than she is with regard to manners.


It has not been my suggestion that cheating students deserve to receive plagairised essays. My opinion is that they should not be allowed to use the essays as their own work. Whilst I accept the comments made by Lavinia that there are some companies out there that inform the students that they are not to use the essays as their own, they have absolutely no way of being able to stop this from happening totally. It is blatantly obvious when comparing a students coursework with a submitted essay that in some cases these essays are not their own work as the essay contains language or style not found in their class work. I welcome the fact that many universities are now challenging such discrepancies and failing students when it becomes apparent that the essay they have submitted has been from an essay writing site. I hope that the continued plan of action by the universities will eventually discourage all students from submitting someone else's work as their own.

WB I notice you did not answer my post as to how you reconcile your conscience when you must be aware that some of the essays you write will be submitted by your customers as their own work. Do you think this is ethical and morally right or should they be condemned in the same way that you are condemning those companies that lie to the students? If you condone their activity than you are no better than Joey and co who write for fraudulent companies as you put it and if you don't condone it then you are a hypocrite for continuing to write essays knowing they will be submitted as someone else's work. So which are you?

You did not say specifically in your last post that you do not write yourself, you said, and I quote, ' I don't work for peanuts' that does not necessarily mean that you don't write!

Even if you are not a writer you do condone those you class as legitimate freelance writers. How do you honestly feel about them selling their essays to others to be submitted as someone else's work? Do you think it is acceptable for students to cheat in this way and do you think that freelance writers should encourage such cheating by providing these services?

I personally think the whole practice should cease entirely and that students seeking help with essays should approach their lecturers or that sites could be set up where students submit their own work for proofreading and where the students could have access to advisors that could suggest ways in which the work could be improved. That way the essay would be the work of the student and any amendments suggested by the advisor could be incorporated or not as the student sees fit.

What is your stance on this issue? Do you not think that students using freelance writers work should be condemned for this behaviour and fail their course if they are caught submitting someone else's work as their own?

This may well be your belief, however, although students are supposed to quote their sources in their essays, even if they are using essay writing websites, there are always going to be those that do not bother to alter any of the essays sent to them, nor properly quote the writers for their work. You are living in a bubble if you seriously think that all students use the essay writing services for referencing only.

Having recently marked a series of essays submitted by students 3 of the marked essays were clearly not the work of the student and there was no mention that the students had used such essay writing sites as secondary sources. All three failed their final exam and have been expelled from the university. This is a fact not idle speculation!

This also does not prove that you are not a writer, just that you are not a writer for the 2 sites mentioned in your post.

I note that you still fail to answer the question on your stance on 'cheating' students. You try to flout this question by stating that the American education system allows students to use essay writing sites so long as they quote them in their text. What about those students that make no alteration whatsoever to the essay they have paid for and then submit it as their own work? Please do not pretend that this does not happen as I have just proven above that this indeed does happen.

Yes Lavinia it was proved that they had used essay writing sites and on more than one ocassion too.

You might like to read the below article

manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1008/1008291_cheating_students _exposed.html

Manchester University is one of the universities that I mark for and you will note that in the article it states

'Nine of the students were later cleared but four were expelled because their cheating was so serious. The other cases were dealt with a range of penalties including a downgrading of marks.'

I know the article does not specifically mention that they were using essay writing sites but I know the 4 that were expelled and know this to be the reason as I was instrumental in their dismissal.

You might also like to read the following article were a student admits to using such essays as her own

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3265143.stm

I will post more later as I am about to leave for work. Busy day in the courts today so need to get an early start on preparing my submission to the judge.

Lavinia

I was going to post you my research on student cheating as promised earlier, however I will have to do this another night as I have just got back from a case conference on a child abuse case and I still have 3 cases to prepare for court tomorrow. Its all a bit crazy where I live right now we have had 2 murders within 2 days of each other and I have been called in to advise on evidence and forensic submissions that need doing in order to prove the offence.

I have not forgotten that I have promised to provide proof of my assertions on here and will do this as soon as I get chance to. I must get on with work right now. I expect I will be up till 3am like the last 2 days in a row. The one bonus is the big fat pay cheque once the trial is complete :)

The email is written in the style of Boll and signed Best Regards Joe as he used to sign for Essay Agency.

I have replied to his email challenging whether he is their new marketing director as he states. I will update if he dares to reply

The writing on the site might be in chinese as well but the dialling code for the mobile number to place orders is the UK dialling code for mobile numbers. This means that the owner of the mobile phone obviously originates from the UK. If the site was in china the code for the mobile would be 86 not 44. This blows your theory out the water that the site is in china.

I am from UK which meaans my phone starts 44 but if I go abroad the code changes if I want to be able to use it in the country I am visiting.

Emails cannot be sent to the site and come back as undeliverable so the site owner has obviously got problems with the proposed email address.

I am going to text the mobile number and ask if it is Joe Boll, that might provoke a reaction :)

it has english info as well therefore targetting both english and chinese students

While your at it why not ask for a ban on Ukessays.com, essayagency.com, academicknowledge.com, essayrelief.co.uk, customwriting.co.uk, coursework.info, professays.com, dissertationsandassignments.com and essaybay.

but those listed in my post also rip students and writers off

If you go onto google and type in essay writing sites the ones listed below are the ones that appear most frequently. I tried this using several keywords so I am guessing that they must have purchased a high PR link to appear so often

essayrelief.co.uk, customwriting.co.uk, coursework.info, professays.com, dissertationsandassignments.com and essaybay.

Well the high PR link doesn't seem to achieve much since the sites you listed do not appear often if at all when you do a google search

If I wanted assistance writing an essay (which I don't) I would google essay writing sites as a general search. I rarely use yahoo as I have found it to be pretty useless whenever I am trying to find something as the results are often too vague from the search requested.

If you go to yahoo and type in essay writing sites the ones you listed do appear straightaway. I am guessing Yahoo get paid to allow them to advertise in this way and are not in the least bothered whether the sites they are recommending are good or bad. Maybe yahoo should be banned for promoting these sites :)

Ramesh

Have you ever worked for the Essay Agency before. Joe Boll worked for them and scammed loads of writers out of money.

I am assuming it is the same guy as the writing style is the same. I thought he might have got my email address from past writers for the above company. I challenged him on the email and he refused to answer. I also text the mobile number and got no reply.

Will keep you updated if there are any further developments.

If you are so good then why are you relying on assistance from essay writing sites? Judging by your grammar and spelling mistakes I very much doubt you are as good as you think.

So its only Americans you are worried about defrauding? There was I thinking this was a crusade against poor academic quality of essays when in fact it is just about Americans getting ripped off!

When I used to write essays I would never take on work for anything other than UK clients as my speciality is law. It would be impossible for me to write a law essay for a student from another country as the laws of each country are so widely different. However if my speciality had been psychology most of psychology books are written by Americans so it would have been easy to write for American students. (I wonder if the reason that most psychology books are written by American because they have more psychological problems than any other country).

The point I am trying to make here is that the person best placed to write an essay for an American student would be an American writer as they would know the style required by the universities there. By the same token the best person to write for a UK student would be a UK writer. How many of Americans on here who are writers have written for UK students? I am guessing there will be quite a few though how many dare admit it is debatable. As an American writer you are no more qualified to write for a UK student then you would be to pilot a rocket to the moon.

Do you agree though that I have a valid point that essay writers are really only qualified to write for people from their own country of origin as only someone who is from the same country as the student would know how to write an essay that would be of the expected standard and vocabulary of that student.

The grading systems between the UK and the US are entirely different, therefore UK writers should not write for American students and American writers should not write for UK students.

I remember you said that you are a writer. Do you write exclusively for American students or have you written for students in other countries?

I will do that later on. At the moment I am celebrating my birthday so am only on here briefly whilst my son finishes cooking my tea.

I thought you said you are not a writer?So are you are a writer or not? You seem a little confused !