You bet its true! I've posted several evidences about the "Threesome Fraud" but they just hid the link that directs viewers to my thread and even erased the posts I did.

KNOW WHAT WB,

guys like Joneszr Need help here at this site by the simple knowing of which is which. Now if you can't understand this simple BASIC humanitarian code, then you are the moron.

Also, please stop calling everyone MORON, IDIOT, STUPID and all those harsh words.

If the moderator can see how offensive you are becoming, then they should ban someone like you.

BUT, if they think you are an asset for them to get more clicks and rates, well that's some biased perspective

WB - I did respect you before but you ruined it and everyone else's because of your attitude problem

You don't need proofs for something that's so obvious.

Come to think about it, Ur the only one acting like that.

Others are mere spectators voicing out their opinions. Know what, this site could have been better without you around.

How did I know? Try conducting a survey asking on how many people have you already pissed.

If its anything intentional, well good luck. >; )

CLEARLY: this website is not meant to help writers and students discuss who're frauds and who're not.

Totally Bi-ass-ed!

With WB around acting like that, this entire site serves the purpose of destroying sites' reputations.

Well, according to my friend, he was able to find an essay writing service that provides tremendous guarantees including Total + 50% refund pay if the order is either late or plagiarized. He said that they will first assess the details of your order within an hour or two then reply back if they can do the paper or not.

If they accepts the paper, the process immediately begins according to the deadline imposed. Otherwise, the money paid is immediately refunded by an automated escrow payment system (somehow similar to essaybay) within less than 12 hours.

Since promotion is restricted here in this website, I'd rather not mention the name of this website. If you want to know more about the details, please email me at ***@yahoo

Get some actual tutorials on punctuation usage.


IT'S FILIPINO, not PILOPINO.

Well, as far as I am aware of, non-American writers are discriminated long before this site's history. I am an ESL with good writing skills and I can provide you many evidences for that. However, I still encounter many instances wherein ESLs are placed as the last option or the reserve alternative.

oh please, stop the drama. Face reality.

sad, you really need to learn so many things in the industry before even planning to put up your own.


Good news - It does matter. A lot. Bitter to accept, yes, but i does matter.

That is just one thing. Now, why don't you try honing your skills first before meddling in yourself with the hundreds of parasite scam site? These are just some form my list of advice. There are still plenty from where it came from.

are you really an American writer?

Who's this guy anyway? Just entered the scenery and suddenly he/she feels like knowing anyone's identity in this site. Pretty lame.........

How many days does it usually take for wire transfer? According to my friend, it only takes five days but are there any times that wired payments take more than this time frame?

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Hi

Does anybody here knows any essay and/or writing opportunities that provide ON-TIME and REASONABLE pay? This will really help me a lot. Please email me at

designmobs at yahoo dot com

Thank you so much again

I have a friend who is also a freelance writer and she is currently writing for writers.ph. She told me that the current rate being placed by their company is only $2.1 to $2.8 when the advertised pay rate is more than $7 per page.

Don't you think these rates are way too abusive?

Wow, seriously, it helps. I never thought I can use this site to promote my service considering the strict policies of ads and promotions.

Well, I did try it once but my thread was deleted.

I am a BSN research grad with specialization on health and physiology as well as other accessory topics (e.g history, management, etc.). I've been employed to various writing sites, but my principal source is from writers.ph. Most of my clients requesting for health-related topics provide me their grades after their instructors checked the paper.

Fortunately, I have never any submitted paper that's below A-. Anyway, EW how about other third-party websites? Where do you usually get them? And, if you don't mind, can I ask your country of origin? I'm from Philippines and proud to be one. (:>)

well, to sum it up, majority of the people visiting the site only look for two things:

For the writers:

1. Who are frauds and who pays?

For the students:

1. Who are frauds and who write well?

You see, we cannot only criticize websites and writers. I understand the fact that advertising or promotion is not allowed here; however, we are not promoting if we tell the truth about the website. The site's purpose is to expose writing firms' standpoints and not entirely to defame them, unless the site is a type of black propaganda against the entire industry.

Simple. :)
We try to focus and answer these questions, and I'm sure the site's popularity will surge sky high

I guess its alright for WB to post in this thread. Well, just kindly avoid the aggressive criticisms and online fights.

This site is for the purpose of essay writing controversies and not about writers' conflicts on one another. We are all writers/students or associated individuals involved in essay writing issues in one way or another.

For the record, I am not pertaining to WB, EW or anyone. I am generalizing. Ever since the fights began, the site's purpose has become nothing more than a quarrel zone. Let's try to make this site a lot more informative please... :)

I usually get a lot of info from the site, but due to the constant spamming of personal arguments, conflicts, and blah blahh... nevermind

thanks

Well, as for me, I've been writing for EW.net and Writers.ph, so far, i've already earned around P250k starting June last year.

W.ph pays their writer although they are really strict to plagiarism and poor work quality. I've noticed one common issue among those that complain against them - they've plagiarized and the company has to halt their payoffs.

I tried plagiarizing trice but they caught me. I even had huge fines because of those. Well, it's my fault anyway. I admit it and I've learned my lesson. Besides, if I place myself on the client's shoes, I really wouldn't want somebody to do that to me as well so I'm turning a new leaf.

Anyway, other sites that I've worked for are academia, academic-research and some other small firms.

Hey, EW, i've read that you have direct contacts to some clients. How do you obtain these? Can you suggest some tips? I'd really appreciate that.

Nice one EW.

No offence WB, but please do respect this area by not implying any discriminative proposition.

Another thing, please do exempt this area from your conflicts with EW.

Every time you two engage into your wars, the whole thought and purpose of the forum just goes away overshadowed by both of your arguments.

So please, give us ESLs some respect at least by considering the primary purpose of EW in creating this section:


This will really help a lot of ESLs by having the freedom of posting their thoughts without being branded less than any able writer in the planet.

I am not only pertaining to WB but also other members who tend to ridicule, generalize and degrade every ESL writer present in the industry.

no wonder, Ogwang

WB really has sense with his response. I am really intrigued by your answers.


Yes, a really good point to consider.

Now, let us raise another issue with Americans and ESL writer, specifically the Filipinos, since they are so far the most credible ESL writers. Considering American writers' undeniable skill in their language and ESL writers' refined English structuring and grammar awareness (yet not comparable with American speakers), how about in terms of analytical and academical experiences?

AMERICANS:
> 100% English awareness
> Good academic skills
> High cost of service -- $60-80 per page (rush order)

FILIPINO ESLs:
> 90% English awareness (verified and proven)
> Good academic skills
> Low cost of service -- $30-40 per page (rush order)

If you are a client, which one will you prefer?

If you are an employer, will you still hide the identity of your ESL writers?

With your personal opinion, do you think these conditions might still compromise the profit returns of these ESL writing companies?

NOTE:

My arguments may sound redundant or very much the same from the previous; however, each time some one answers, I make sure something is modified in the conditions. For those willing to answer the post, please do not take it seriously since this is just an intelligent conversation and sharing of opinions. Nothing personal for this current post.

Do you consider these countries proficient sources of ESL writers? definitely Not. Now, can these be considered out of the topic? Definitely yes.



As far as I am concerned, we are only covering the FILIPINOS.

Kindly read the whole statements and messages between the lines. You are telling things based from theory and research of others. I am telling things based from my experience as an anthropologist here in this country and theories from my academic background.

Were you able to experience those statements of yours in China and India? If so, then I agree with you, but if not, well at least try to experience it first and be on the real setting than sticking in your ideal world.

Ideal things tend to blind people from the real scenario ya' know.

Indeed, these are morality theories imposing the ideal way of life, which does not occur in the 21st century. If it does, then I should be able to see it happening here in my location right now. However, 88% of the population here in third world countries are uneducated due to the lack of educational opportunities.

Why don't you visit my location to verify these information?


Well, Philippines is not one of this, especially with the corrupt government existing in this country. Why don't you try and search about the professional statistics, brain drain conditions, employments, education status, and the overall conditions of these third world countries.

Take note, Philippines has always been like this for the past 20 years. Don't you think the people here are not doing their best to alleviate their country from these conditions? Yes, they are doing soooo many things to uplift their country, but nothing is happening due to the corruption of their leaders. What can you say about that?

Kindly read the whole posts for you to understand the given points. Based from your statements above, it seems that you don't even grasp the points of the argument.

Your environment will affect your success in life. Try researching on strain theory, nightingale's theory, etc. You will see that environment, setting, origin, and the available opportunities in a given setup can greatly influence once future in life.

"We are not an island and human beings always have to depend on each other"

Try using the above statement for some reasonable logic. Your statements above are pure idealism and definitely not applicable in the 21st century sir. I am living in a third world country as a foreign anthropologists and I know how good and intelligent people here are hindered by the insufficiencies of opportunities. See for yourself if you want proofs.

Good for you guys you didn't came from a third world country with highly corrupt department of education and government.

There are lots of good Filipino ESL writers here. In fact, they have been branded as the tiger of asia and the Second largest FLUENTLY speaking nation in 1990s. Its a shame they are not attaining enough opportunities to show their capabilities to the world. In addition, there are exponentially increasing FAKE ESLs that tarnish the good name and proficiency of credible ESLs.

Yes, it may appear biased, but this is only my opinion for the above post. I am not setting up an argument here, but I am answering an argument so I guess I deserve the opportunity to place my sides.

Let's say I am an owner of a writing agency and you are the consumer. I have two available writers here with the same academic proficiency and English fluency: (1) American for $60 per page, and (2) Filipino ESLs for $30 per page.

Which one will you choose?

Hypothetically, 90% will prefer the American writer despite of the cost and leave the ESL as the last option. What do you think?

Americans -



Yes, these statements have undeniable correct points.

For you StugglingStudent, we are actually considering a topic: American Writers versus ESL writers. I think it is obvious that what I am trying to imply is American English. In consideration to the topic and also the trends, there are more American clients looking for essay services than those British people. I can base that in my experience as a writer.

For the sake of continuing the argument and balancing the boat,

(First Issue)

Americans may indeed possess the GRAND mastery of American (for the sake of Struggling Student (:>) ) English language; however, in your opinion, are there sufficient American writers to cover all the needs of essay writing clients considering these factors:

1. Saturation of non-proficient ESL writers
2. High cost of American services
3. Less number of American writers due to the vast high earning opportunities available for intelligent individuals and high collar professions, such as doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.

(Second Issue)

Considering an ESL writing company that employs really PROFICIENT ESL writers (maybe due to the low labor costs of these individuals) but hides the identities of their writers, do you think exposing the identities of the writers will compromise the income of the company and ESL writers due to the higher preference towards American writers?

If American writers are indeed more preferable than ESL writers, do you think it is just appropriate for ESL writing companies to hide their identity from the consumers for the sake of marketing purposes and the survival their firms?

Well, actually, I do apologize for the offensive points Ms. Lavinia. You are right when you said that these are assumptions with no clear data to based on; however, there are certain truths in the arguments of my last posts.

I am pertaining to the two categories of American intelligent groups. First, intelligent American groups who will rather not waste their time in doing research paper because it pays less than the higher forms of opportunities in store for them. Second, intelligent American groups who prefer writing as a sideline since the profit returns are at least $60 to 70 per page (rush order).

On the positive note, the second category of American writers are quite less compared to the number of ESL writers out there, which will definitely add to the standard profit earnings of these writers since they are few in the society of essay writing services.

However, the disadvantaged side is most of Americans are not well suited for research writing, and some may try but end up not being proficient in writing essays.

Bottom line, Americans - low number of writers, costly, risky since not all can write good papers, but can really provide REAL PREMIUM papers.

On the side of ESL writers (let's be specific to Filipino writers), let's approximate a standard ratio of 1:10 for every proficient writer versus non-pro, which is actually a huge difference compared to the number of American writers.

In addition, due to the earnings of Filipinos in the Philippines, they will surely consider writing even for a cost of $30-$60 per page (rush), which is definitely cost-saving than with American writers.

In terms of proficiency, Filipinos are indeed ESLs but their English is even recognized by Americans (definitely undeniable). They also have good academic backgrounds and unsurprisingly being hired worldwide due to their skills and low labor costs. So far, Filipinos are the only ESL writers who are able to provide me with good papers

However, the disadvantage side is the saturation of other ESL writers (Indian, pakistani, etc.) have blurred the image of proficient ESL writers. In addition, the number of proficient ESL writers are very very very small.

Bottom line, ESL writers - low number of proficient writers who can write good papers, low cost, risky unless surely verified, and can also write PREMIUM quality papers.

With the summary of both writers, which one do you think is better?

Absolutely right and I definitely agree with you WB. Most essay company sites live up with their fraud statements that they have these high proficient writers whether ESL or Americans.

Another points to consider and definitely true.

Hence, considering all the points handed down by WB, essay firm should be honest on the credibility of their writers. This include hiring TRULY efficient writers, either ESL or AMERICANS, and placing a certain verification statement or PROOF that their writers are 100% proficient in both English and Academic skills.

However, for the sake of the argument, these are another possible points to consider:

1. As consumers or clients, how do we verify the TRUTH in terms of the credibility of the company's advertisement regarding their writers?

2. As a writing agency, how do we provide an actual proof that our writers are definitely credible and able to write good papers without actually compromising the name of our firm? In addition, how do we provide proofs that will not be entertained with skeptical approach from the side of both clients and other essay company?

2. Lastly, due to the prevailing stereotypes within the field of essay writing services in terms of ESL vs. Americans, there is a wider possibility that essay firms employing PROVED and VERIFIED proficient ESLs will encounter depressed market returns if they reveal the truth about their writers. If you are an essay agency owner, how will you consider solving this issue?

Well, in my experience, it is really difficult to find a good company who will write your papers with that superb quality. Even freelancers sometimes cannot meet the the standards imposed by the students coz' their instructors are definitely the end-evaluator whether to revise or put an A+++.

Writing firms out there can be scammers if:
1. They OVERCHARGE the cost of your papers (most of them are from middle east - e.g pakistans, indians, etc.). I believe papers should cost a minimum of $15 per page and a maximum of $30 per page especially for early deadlines.

2. They will ask you to wait and wait and wait until your deadlines runs out and they still don't have a writer to write for you.

3. They don't want to talk to you at all either via chat, phone, etc.

Hi

Ms. lavania, is it possible to email me this companies instead? I will consider this as a big help. My email address is designmobs at yahoo.

Thank you so much in advance

I see, may I know what company you're writing for?

Thanks

hi lavania

are you sure? i've been trying to contact their support in the landline but no one is answering. Also, I'm trying to open their website but it does not open. What is wrong in their website

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Is writers.ph down? I cannot access the page?

They are not replying to my emails.

Has anyone here experienced being paid by international wire transfer? How long does it take?

It's been 5 days now and I still haven't got my pay.

They are not replying to my emails.

Has anyone here experienced being paid by international wire transfer? How long does it take?

It's been 5 days now and I still haven't got my pay.

Help, I would like to know how many days does it take for essaybay's international wire to be completed?

I have withdrawn my balance last june 6th but I still haven't received it yet. Does anyone here know this information?

Thanks