And the circlejerk continues!

Nope, never said that essayfraud is up to date. I was trying to prove a different point before you shifted the goal post. At least I cite my sources, unlike you.

Not only is it outdated, schizophrenic, written by two shills, and poorly written, but it is also largely incomplete. But hey, this is in line with your tactic of omitting relevant facts when selling snake oil.

Again, it's a bit outdated and doesn't hit the right target. And its written by two known shills.

It is only a partial list, a bit wordy, a few points are outdated, and nearly half the points are directed at writers, not clients. Try again.

You asked: Here's a mistake that you NEVER make.

Most of those aren't a items that one can check on a website. How is somebody to know that they are ripping off their writer? And my condition is "front and center."

Give it up already. You've been discredited. You're just as bad as the scam sites for not citing your sources, hiding your true affiliations, and lying about your intentions.

So you are now saying that the page charge on shinyessays.com is not a problem. Make up your mind.

In this case, you can simply vet the site by looking at the page charges. You are also endorsing the money-back guarantee, which kinda puts you in shady position.

Okay, then we're in agreement. You were wrong to confuse the issue with unnecessary information. All of the sites listed above can be identified as scams based on simple criteria.

So you're saying that $15 per page is not a red flag? Would it be accurate to say that you endorse money-back guarantees?

You didn't ask a question. You made a statement about being pitiful and shilling.

Who am I shilling for? Um, nobody. I am not colluding with a single person or company on this site. I'm entirely here for myself. Unlike you, Dave, and Warren2BigBucks, I am not engaging in any shady practices. You wanna know who I am? Then send me a PM. We can talk on the phone if you like. Facebook? Sure we can do that.

My guess is that you'll remain in the shadows and continue cause trouble where you can. Do you remember asking me to order a paper from a company and then accusing me of being unfair?

I already have a paper from them, but I promised that I would not share. It's being used by a client. It looks good to me. It's not exactly at the level that I would expect from a professor, but it is far better than anything I have seen from other "writers". You can take my word or not. I don't care.

However, I do believe it is misleading to call them professors. It looks like a couple have been or still are non-tenured faculty.

We're still waiting on Dave75's exposé on UnemployedProfessors.com.

Umm, not only are you wrong about every point (your Mod deleted my previous response), but your rant doesn't apply here: ShinyEssays is offering rates at $15 per page (see the very first post in this thread). Their web copy is definitely written by an ESL hack. 100% money back guarantee. And so on. These seem to hit most of the points on a list of items that you claim have been adapted to by the fraudsters.

You're driving off topic again and making unreasonable demands.

This is about you making unsubstantiated claims. The burden of proof is on you. You need to cite your sources. You also need to stop with your deceptive practices.

There you go again. A bit of brevity would help you greatly, if your intentions were truly selfless. Yes, I get it that you feel the need to shed some light on AssignmentsHelp.com, but in doing so you're managed to muddle it all up with a bunch of words. I am accusing you of doing this so as to maintain false air of legitimate authority. I am also accusing you of failing to cite your sources. You're failure on these two fronts indicates that you are hiding something and/or fabricating your evidence.

Wait, so you are saying that I am not allowed to question your methods? Am I also not allowed to question the source for you information? You do claim to be a researcher. I think we can all agree that every good researcher will cite their sources, which is something you typically fail to do. You should know better given your extreme stance on plagiarism.

Keep driving off-topic, Dave. That argument tactic is getting a bit old, don't you think? You certainly did expect me to cite another person's sources. That is explicitly what you asked for.

Stay on topic: You seem to be asserting that AssignmentsHelp.com is a cite that is incredibly difficult to identify as a scam. You also seem to be saying that W2B is absolutely needed in this case.

Nope. That still makes no sense. But thanks for the anecdotes. Here, I have some too. I have a ****** website, and I too work with a Chinese client that offers "editing" for scientific ESL manuscripts. The Chinese client is actually providing a ghostwriting service. The website is written in crappy Chinglish. No client has been ripped off.

Fact: Every single website that W2B has identified as an an ESL scam since I've been a member here could have been identified with much simpler means. You and her claim to have insider's knowledge about some larger and more complex clandestine operations that seek to steal money from unsuspecting walkers who double as college students. I call BS. Come on. Ten dollars a page? That's not a red flag. Really?

I don't need to know the life history of a politician's third cousin in order to identify a lie. You guys are effing spin doctors for no reason other than to feel self-important. Those are pretty low stakes.

Dave, you still made a nonsensical statement and asked me to cite the source of another's information.

Yes, you'll always be many steps ahead of me in providing unnecessary and uncited (likely fabricated) information. You are the undisputed master of essay deception!

Anyway, as W2B drives us away from the topic, again, you can get a term paper from EssayTiger for $10 per page. W2B claims that this is a hallmark of a legitimate company.

I like this one (from their site): "...Our touch on the assignments is unique!"

If identifying scam sites are so obvious, then can I cite the sources for Warren2Buffet's list of site? Do you understand how ridiculous that sounds? Are you and W2B working down the same list of fallacious argument tactics and taking turns?

Not only does your if-then statement make no sense, but you are asking me to cite another persons source. I don't know how W2B compiled this list because she does not cite here sources (as per usual). This means that her information is useless and likely fabricated.

You're also missing the point: Identifying scam web sites can be accomplished without any sort of in-depth investigation. There's a basic formula to follow. This formula has not changed much since the days of EssayFraud (that's a cited source).

I have no problem talking about Essay Fraud. I'm the guy who posted the info. You're the one who is all in a tizzy over that I brought it up.

Its a nice list, albeit a bit outdated. I was attempting to point out that you and EssayScam would do a better job at your stated purpose to promote such a list. First, you say that the fraudsters have adapted to these check points. Then you say that such a list of check points would allow the fraudsters to adapt. Which is it? You don't make any sense and you're doing nothing but shifting the goal posts and backpedaling at the same time.

If you actually cared about helping the poor students, then you would post a comprehensive list of check points for identifying scam sites. This is another one of your sin's of omission that indirectly implicates you as a scammer.

I'm not obsessed. Just pointing out how you have bragged about your wealth and motives. It seems kind of fishy to simultaneously be such a braggart and claim to be a selfless champion of essay scams.

Besides that, you started this with your massive ego. You act like you own this forum.

I really don't see how any of that is inferior. It's really simple. Scam sites can be identified almost immediately by noting just a few simple traits. However, you'd rather have everybody believe that identifying a site requires this weirdly complex thing you call research. That's both deceptive and weird.

I'm not stalking. I'm here out of a selfless desire to expose the truth about W2B.

I'm sooooo jealous of your wealth and selfless devotion to EssayScam. Why volunteer to help the poor when you can devote all of your abundant resources and time to helping students who have trouble wading through all of the scam sites. You know, we need to organize this industry so that we can come up with an officially sanctioned lifetime achievement award in your honor.

Thanks Captain Obvious for yet another over-the-top explanation of something that needs no explanation. Blah blah, blah yes, I know that EssayFraud no longer exists. Do you have a check list of fallacious arguments tactics that you go through every time you are called out as a sham?

You are dodging the real issue here, again. Lets try to stay focused on the original goal posts. You are being deceptive, again.

So much truthiness!

You saw it here. W2B does not want students to know how to identify scam sites on their own. She would prefer that they remain in the dark.

You are truly amazing! How long did it take you to think up that response?

I used the Wayback Machine where EssayFraud is alive and well. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm just curious why you claim that fraudsters have adapted when they clearly have not. You also said that these criteria for vetting essay websites are posted here, albeit not up front.

Why do you play these deceptive games? You spend an awful lot of time pounding tacks with sledge hammers. Why not just provide a list of checks and go away? I believe that the answer lies in the fact that you too are a shill and a fraudster.

Oooh, you are quite the information super tube wizard. Please, share with us your mystical secrets!

Here is another example where W2B is showing off for pointing out the obvious in an overly complicated way. She could have just said $10 per page, money back guarantees, discounts, 24/7 support, a really weird video, testimonials, etc. all indicate that essaytigers is a scam. But nope. She'd rather deceive happymanny1986 even further by suggesting that she has some secret insiders knowledge.

No, seriously, why do you need to go to all of that trouble to achieve an end that can be met with much simpler means? It is as if you are trying to show off for students who come here looking for help. A simple list of guidelines could replace nearly everything you have to say while saving us from your embarassing examples of research. Why complicates things beyond necessity?

You and your pointless challenges. Here's one: I want you to go into the nearest forest and chop down the largest tree with a herring.

If they're not scams, then why did you go through so much trouble to point out the obvious? Had some time leftover after counting money and helping old ladies across the street? And now you are suggesting that the owners of the forum actually care about something other than their own pocket books?

You should order a test paper and get back to us.

Nope. It was all done so you could come up with that stupid joke. Why dont you suggest that somebody order a paper so you can turn around and accuse them of being a jerk for doing what you suggested?

I just looked at a few of the sites listed by Smarmy2Bucks. All obvious scams to anybody with 1/3 of a brain cell. Why doesn't essayscam post a list of things to look out for like essayfraud had in the past? If the owners of this forum really cared about helping students, then this would be front and center on the main page. But no. We have to rely on the enternally selfless W2B to post a pointless exercise and present it as the results of an investigation. Again, W2B is correct, but the dummy is hitting a finishing nail with a sledge hammer. Another analogy in case the numbskull doesn't get it: It's like she's going down to the redlight district and pointing out the hookers to anybody who will listen.

Send me your application Ed! I'd love to have you on my team!

So I had a look at the so-called professors. While I know that folks with master degrees, or less, teach college credit classes, they're hardly professors in any sense. If you read unemployedprofessors' spiel on who they hire, they do state that their writers hold at least a master degree and teach their own classes. But when I read some of the "prof" profiles, I see a several writers who clearly have not taught at the college level. I know that they provide a quality service, but the company name is somewhat misleading. What you're getting are over-educated writers who might have been professors had they spent several more years working toward such. I might have been an astronaut if I had worked harder, but that doesn't make me an unemployed space cadet. That particular honor goes to editor75.

Why do you have to go and break our truce? I knew that you couldn't hold out.

Who are you to say who gets what evidence in the forum? Where are the experts? All I see is you and a couple of others treating this as your own forum. It does not take an expert to read through a website and see the weird, awkward, wordy, and redundant writing. If you don't take the time to carefully vet a website with some common sense, then you deserve to have your money taken from you.

The scam sites should be painfully obvious to anybody who is qualified to be in college. I would never order anything from anything that resembles any of these website that you find at the top of the list in Google.

You have never been wrong about the scams W2B. You just point out the obvious so that stupid people can successfully cheat their way through college. So don't ask me to point out where you have been wrong.

I hate to admit it, but Dolt75 said it best before backpedalling by calling this forum a fraud. You jerks get all lathered up in a tizzy over scammers when they advertise in the banner, but don't stop to consider who is allowing them to do this. Instead of asking the stupid mods to do something, you should be reporting them elsewhere for aiding fraudsters. You, W2B, have committed a sin of omission by allowing this to slide. You are the slimiest forum troll I've ever encountered.

The only service that this forum provides is to direct clients to a service or freelancer. The only reason this forum enjoys the diminishing traffic it gets is because there really isn't another place to go for such information, which is corrupted by you nutjobs.

Stupid college student: Hey, where do I find information on how to cheat in college?
Internet: Unfortunately, there's only one place called EssayScam and its run by a bunch of blathering morons.
Smart college student: Holy crap, this place is nuts. I'm outta here.

I'm done arguing with you turds.