What am I reading from a self-assuming perfect writer, who seem to spend his lifetime just making insults against others? "AMY"? HAHAHAHA. Is that a name of your wife/sister/mother/grandmother? Oh, maybe it's ARMY? "... dismantle you in ARMY form of substantive debate." That's pretty cool, huh! YOU JUST MAKE ME LAUGH AT YOU.

Hey, by the way, I am sorry about calling you as a "

a "perfect", prominent, world-class ENL writer

". I think I need to make penitence. I need to cry out. Now I perceive that he is not even qualified for English spelling. I mean BASIC ENGLISH SPELLING. Or maybe you are BLIND because you cannot even see the RED LINES that appear when you write words not contained in the English Dictionary. PITY YOURSELF. You want to make personal debates? Fine.

Where is your rational response? That is what I was looking for in the first place. Oh, I see. You can't even make one. Your mind cannot even process such conversation. Can I have your home address? I think I have to send medicines for you. SORRY FOR PUTTING MUCH PRESSURE ON YOUR BRAIN. You must have been mistaken in joining this thread. Sorry if I had your nose bleeding since you cannot take any intellectual and rational considerations. All you can say are words like "Nonsense", "Your English is terrible", "Mind your own business", "Translation=", "WriteAtHand.com = ESL garbage", and so on. YOUR WRITING HAS NO SUBSTANCE. That is even written all over your face.

You have grammar, but not intellect. You have writing abilities, but not thinking skills. I suggest you go back to your primary schooling and learn what are the things involved in good communication: cognition, perception, understanding, rationalization, and more. I almost forgot, by the way, contextualization. It is due to the fact that you cannot even communicate within the "context" of this discussion.

IS THAT WHAT MAKES YOU A GOOD WRITER? WHO CARES IF YOU ARE AN ENL WRITER WHEN YOU CANNOT EVEN MAKE THE MOST BASIC FORM OF ARGUMENTS AND RATIONALITY? (There is a great number of ENL writers out there that I salute. Sadly, you just don't belong to them.)


Incompetent? I don't think so. Think of a war, where one soldier fights with a machine gun while his enemy brings with him a chess board. Absurd, isn't it? Pity on the latter. The reality is, that's you and me. I compete with my mind. You compete with you tongue - simply because you have no brain. Or maybe you have one. It just cannot compete with mine.


DON'T BE SAD CRYBABY. YOU ARE STILL PROMINENT HERE AS HAVING A GREAT NUMBER OF POSTS. 780 POSTS. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? HOW I WISH THERE IS JUST ONE OF THEM THAT CONTAINS EVEN THE SLIGHTEST FORM OF KNOWLEDGE AND ENLIGHTENMENT A LIGHT-MINDED PERSON LIKE YOU COULD AFFORD TO MAKE.

Bye bye my boy. I don't think I have to waste even a second in talking with you. Wait. I think I have the wisest counsel I can give to you. I JUST HOPE ZOMBIES ARE FOR REAL. AND IF THEY ARE, JUST GIVE YOUR BRAIN TO THEM. IT MUST HAVE BEEN OF USED FOR SOMEONE IN THE PLANET. AND MIND ME, I MAY EVEN COMMEND YOU FOR THAT AND TELL THE WORLD HOW GREAT WRITERS2BEWARE WAS BY JUST GIVING HIS EMPTY BRAIN TO HUNGRY ONES. HE LOVES SHARING FOR OTHERS.


FINALLY, a person I can talk to. What a great relief from a senseless conversation with Writers2Beware!

Thanks for your reply FreelanceWriter.


I agree with you in this. If you know any ESL writers who represent themselves as ENL writers, woe to them! It's just as plain as that. Presenting yourself that way is absolutely a big form of lie. That is not a qualifying conduct for any writer. Again, I agree with you in this.

Now let me ask this. When an ESL writer registers to an ENL-based writing company, are they [the writing company] unaware that this writer is an ESL individual? Certainly they are! If you are the writing service provider, you know the background of that writer - particularly where he lives. But if the ESL writer registers to a writing company and told the company that he lives in USA or UK [thus making the company consider him as an ENL writer], instead of indicating his real location (let's say, Philippines), then that ESL writer is wrong. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO CONDEMN THAT ESL WRITER.

However, if what you want to say is that ESL writers are not qualified for the writing industry, THEN WHY DO WRITING COMPANIES STILL HIRE THEM IN SPITE OF KNOWING THAT THEY ARE ESL WRITERS (THROUGH THEIR LOCATIONS)? Don't you see, if we will accept this (that ESL writers are not supposed to be in this industry with the fact that every customer deserves only ENL writers) as an absolute rule or principle, then tell the writing companies to stop hiring ESL writers. Are these ESL writers the ones responsible? Not in all points. Again, if we are to set an absolute rule or principle that ESL writers are not qualified for the writing industry, THEN WHY DO WRITING COMPANIES STILL HIRE THEM IN SPITE OF KNOWING THAT THEY ARE ESL WRITERS (GIVEN THAT THEY INDICATE THEIR TRUE LOCATIONS WHEN THEY REGISTER)?


If you are an ESL writer, you simply won't be able to think of that. Why? Simply because you were accepted by the ENL writing company. The fact that an employee - whatever profession he/she belongs to - gets accepted by the company means that they [the company] bids approval to that employee. For why would you accept a person to work for you if he does not have the necessary qualifications in doing your desire output? If the company rejects the ESL writer for being an ESL writer, will he/she still consider himself worthy to write for the customers of that company? I don't think so. In the same way, the fact that an ESL writer is accepted by the ENL company shows that he has been approved to write for the company's workers. The ESL writer just won't have any thought of telling his customers that he is an ESL or ENL writer. As a worker of a company, your concern is about the order/preferences of the client - not talking about who and what you are.

Again, if we are to set an absolute rule or principle that ESL writers are not qualified for the writing industry, THEN WHY DO WRITING COMPANIES STILL HIRE THEM IN SPITE OF KNOWING THAT THEY ARE ESL WRITERS (GIVEN THAT THEY INDICATE THEIR TRUE LOCATIONS WHEN THEY REGISTER)?


You're right. In fact, you even seem to make my position understood better.

Here are my previous posts (just ignore some negative statements addressed to Writers2Beware):



If a person asks you to write for his customer - who prefers an ENL writer - would you accept it since you are an ENL writer? Of course you would (unless the price is $1 per page :D) since you can provide what the customer wants - ENL written paper. If you completed that paper, does it matter where the person [who connects with the customer] is located? Absolutely, not. What matters is that the customer's preference (ENL writer) is fulfilled with you (an ENL writer). I hope you get my point.

As you have explained, it makes sense if an ESL student want an ESL writer to do his paper. Likewise, an ENL writer is good for an ENL student. If you are the service provider, will you assign the ENL writer to work on the ESL student's paper even if he [the ESL student] asks for an ESL writer? In the same way, will you assign the ESL writer to work on the ENL student's paper even if he [the ENL student] asks for an ENL writer?I don't think so. If a Chinese student is not a native Chinese, he is likely to ask for a non-native Chinese to work for him. Will you withhold his request? Certainly not.

What I am talking about is business operation. If the Chinese student want a native-Chinese worker, give it to him. If non-native, give it to him. If a student asks for an ENL writer, give it to him. If he asks for an ESL writer, give it to him. AS A SERVICE PROVIDER, YOU JUST GIVE THEM WHAT THEY REQUEST FROM YOU.

So here's my point, we simply cannot claim that ESL writers are not qualified to be in this industry. Why? Because others may still prefer them - particularly ESL students (as you even acknowledge).

Also, we cannot simply judge an ESL-cased service provider for being ESL-based. Why? As I have illustrated earlier, it doesn't matter as long as the preference is fulfilled. "If a person asks you to write for his customer - who prefers an ENL writer - would you accept it since you are an ENL writer? Of course you would (unless the price is $1 per page :D) since you can provide what the customer wants - ENL written paper. If you complete that paper, does it matter where the person [who connects with the customer] is located? Absolutely, not. What matters is that the customer's preference (ENL writer) is fulfilled with you (an ENL writer)".

That is what I point out as freelance writing. That is outsourcing. And every service provider online does it - outsourcing jobs to people around the world. Does is matter where that service provider is located, if its customer - who prefers an ENL writer - is provided with an ENL writer - through outsourcing, or if its customer - who prefers an ESL writer - is provided with an ESL writer through outsourcing? If that company is able to do so, is it disqualified to continue doing its services simply because of its location?....

Some students prefer ESL writers since ENL writers use too deep and complicated words. For some, they cannot understand their papers due to ENL form of writing. If I am the student, what's the point of having an ENL-oriented paper if I could not understand it? What if I am asked by my instructor to explain what I meant by those words in my paper? ENL has some "downgrades"; ESL has some "downgrades". Nevertheless, what we are talking about here is providing services to customers. As a service provider, you just give them whatever they want - as long as you have it with you. If the customer wants a Chinese writer, then let him have it. You won't reason out that a Chinese writer is no good for him. That's not how it works in providing services to customers - regardless of what service you provide them.

I see Writers2Beware. You cannot even answer my questions. I make rational considerations. You make insults. All you do around is simply insult other's imperfections. It's manifested in many threads in this forum. Okay. You're perfect, I suppose. I admit your English is better than mine. But who cares? You are not even adequate enough to get involved in serious, professional discussions. Look at other threads. You insult other members even with unprofessional words such as the "F". I believe if you will be invited in a discussion with businessmen, board members, or other professionals, to talk about complicated stuff, they will not be able to get most of you. You will just divert what is being discussed.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MY ENGLISH HERE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROVIDING WRITING SERVICES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS OPERATIONS. THIS IS ABOUT BUSINESS SYSTEMS. So get your mind right and just talk about the issue. If your mind cannot take what I recently addressed to you, then don't make senseless issues. Your response is absolutely "out of track". Is that what you call professionalism? Where then, is the good thing in you?

As I have mentioned, it does not matter if you are a Native Englishman or not, or if the company is in USA or UK or elsewhere. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THIS: WHAT MATTERS IS THAT THE PREFERENCES OF THE CLIENTS ARE MET - REGARDLESS OF HOW THOSE PREFERENCES WERE FULFILLED AND WHO FULFILLED IT. USA and other European countries are known for good Engineering. But why do they outsource their Computer-Aided Design projects to us? Does it really matter is non-USA or non-European CAD drafters work on it? Absolutely not! As long as the requirements are met, as requested by the USA or European clients.

Let me put it this way. Suppose I have connections with American students and they know that I am a freelance writer. IF I ASSIGN SOME OF THEIR ORDERS TO YOU, DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF I - THE SERVICE PROVIDER - IS AN ESL-BASED WRITING SERVICE PROVIDER? IF THEY COME TO ME AS CUSTOMERS, AM I - AN ESL-BASED SERVICE PROVIDER - NOT ABLE TO "OUTSOURCE" THEIR ORDERS TO ENL WRITERS (IF THAT IS WHAT THEY PREFER) INCLUDING YOU?

COULD YOU ANSWER SUCH SIMPLE QUESTIONS? DON'T YOU GET IT? THIS IS ABOUT BUSINESS OPERATIONS - NOT ENGLISH SKILLS. If I am located in Asia and you are located in the United States, I can simply search the Internet for freelance workers located in the USA to do what you wish - even washing your dishes.

That is freelancing. That is outsourcing. If any ESL-based service provider assigns you - a "perfect", prominent, world-class ENL writer - to work on an academic paper of a student located in the USA, IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT?

Again, you cannot judge any individual the way you do. Besides, have you proven that WriteAtHand or any ESL-based companies cannot provide quality papers - which they could have outsourced to ENL writers (if preferred by the customers)?

I hope you make "RATIONAL" responses to what I am talking about - business services operations. Not your English. Not even mine. Not everybody else's.

If you cannot do so - what a pity.

Robb is right. It depends with the writer.

But of course, you would never find a great writer in a scam site.
There are many writing service providers out there, but there are also many scams out there.

Here are some practical things you may consider:
1. Look for responsive team. Go for a chat, email, or a call with any of the service provider's members. If the chat is currently unavailable, send an email and see if they respond quickly.

2. If you go for a chat, try asking them questions regarding their system. For instance, try asking something you have already read in the Frequently-Asked Questions page of the website. The person you are chatting with should know well about their system. If not, that could be something you should worry about. They should know what they offer to customers.

2. Study the Frequently-Asked Questions and the How It Works pages of the website. See if it shows credibility and ask yourself if you can engage yourself (if you will entrust your order) to such system.

3. If it is your first order, start with a little one. Don't pay too much money for what you are not 100% consciously-assured of.

Hope this helps a bit. Wish you find a good (I don't think there's a best one) writing service providers for your order(s).

Good comment. WriteAtHand people should have considered that this forum is not just all about them. Indeed, they must be an amateur group. Anyway, just as with other writing services, I hope they will learn their lessons for the better good. Also, you are right to say that it is an ESL-based writing service. It is located in the Philippines see: writeathand.com/contacts.php


However, I simply cannot take this lightly. I am an ESL speaker and writer. I do not care if you would not believe it, but I have been doing freelance writing jobs since 2010.

Please do not tell people around that ESL is a garbage. Who are you to claim that ENL speakers are the only "highly-qualified and esteemed" when it comes to speaking and writing English? It does not matter if a writer or a writing service has English as a Second Language as long as the customer's preferences are truly met. As I have noticed in other threads, you are kind of "recklessly" speaking negatively against others. Please do not make personal insults when good discussions are done in this forum. I certainly believe that you are a professional person. So please be so. Again, ESL is not a garbage. Do not be a racist? If we would turn into racism in this forum, how would you answer if I ask you how good your country is doing nowadays compared to those centuries when United States of America is considered to be the most economically advanced throughout the world? You may be good in ENL, but how about in other things?

Don't you see, making personal insults and scrutiny only lead to unprofessional, nonsense, and dissatisfying conversations.

By the way, may I just ask some questions?

First, I do not think that showing how WriteAtHand changed it's hosting account a number of times makes sense. What if the reason the owner transferred to other hosting service providers due to personal preferences? Do you not have all the rights to do what you want and reject what you do not and make any necessary changes? Also, what makes changing of hosting account prove that this writing service provider is not a good one? Have you never changed your profession or at least your dream job throughout your whole life? If you are a writer, did you attain success as a writer without any single change along the way? Have you been a writer ever since birth? I hope this are logical questions you need to think about before making such comment?

Second, if we would judge WriteAtHand for its being an "ESL-based writing service", why do ENL companies hire us [ESL writers]? Isn't freelance writing an outsourcing job? I believe it does not matter if a writing service is an ENL or ESL-based company as long as it assigns the customers' orders to appropriate writers worldwide. If I am to be an ESL-based writing service provider, I do not care about it. If the customer asks for an ENL writer, I can assign the project to an ENL writer. What then, is the problem in that? That's the idea of freelancing/outsourcing anyway, right?

If WriteAtHand would give customers' orders only to ESL writers, then they are greatly mistaken. That is an unwise thing to do. However, if they work on the projects according to the customers' preferences - such as in the case of ENL writers - then that is a good thing. By the way, I can see that they offer such option for customers when making an order. writeathand.com/order-now.php. You can choose whether you want an ENL writer or an ESL writer.

I don't think we have to judge any writing services just as one judges "the book by its cover". Besides, WriteAtHand offers a good option for customers to request for partial payment when orders are above $100. Isn't that a good way of preventing scams in large orders?

But, just as in other writing services, if you were scammed (if you got a plagiarized paper, if you did not receive any completed orders, etc.) by WriteAtHand - DON'T MAKE ANY FURTHER ORDERS. If you hear others' experiences of scam, DON'T MAKE AN ORDER. That is also a rule for any other writing services in the internet.

To end, I just want to go back to my questions:
1. Is change an absolute determinant of excellence and success?
2. What absolute proof or justifiable reasons can claim that ESL is a garbage, and that ESL Writers or ESL-based writing services are not highly qualified and able to produce quality custom papers?

3. Does it matter if a freelance/outsourcing writing services is ENL-based or ESL-based, when orders are outsourced and assigned to appropriate writers worldwide anyway? If so, why do ENL-based writing services hire ESL writers?

4. Is it right to judge something in its surface level (just as judging a book by its cover) without any proof in a deep level (just as reading the pages of book)?

With due respect to you Writers2Beware, I am not saying a nonsense thing - as you would unhesitatingly comment on me. I do not mean that one cannot avoid scams. I simply claim that scams can happen even in ways you do not expect. You just cannot control their occurrences. Just consider this, look at the testimony of students scammed even by "prominent" writing services in the internet.

You are welcome.

As a writer, this is a very challenging part of my commitment with the company. When you see the customer's email address even in the order's instructions/details - which you believe have been reviewed by the Support Team - it is up to you whether you remain faithful as the company's writer or not.

I absolutely believe that scams against students who seek help with their assignments are unavoidable. Is it not ironic to say that internet scams, lies, victimization, etc., can be prevented when in fact, you cannot do so in the real, physical, face-to-face interactions in society?

Wickedness always manifests itself whenever we go. That is the reality of this world.

Anyway, I believe the best way to avoid scams has to do with the "very" thing scams are all about - money and communication. If you cannot communicate well with the people in the writing service, do not commit yourself to them. For instance, if you want to ask for any form of assurance from them - such as partial payment for large projects costing more than a hundred dollars - but were not given some, make serious considerations.

For a customer, ask them to allow partial payments for orders that cost a big deal of money.

For writers, build your trust little by little. If the company says that you have to have at least $100 in your earnings before you get your compensation, do not go beyond that. If you got paid in your first month, try earning a bit more until you finally get assured that the company pays what is due you - no matter how much it could ever be.

Just to remind, this is all about uncertainties and assurances. All you can do is to engage yourself to it or not. For how will you know if a good-looking service is a scam if you do not try finding it out? If you get victimized, you got the answer. If not, you got the answer as well. Just do not ever engage yourself too much.

If you have more advice, post them here (reviews of difficult situations welcome ).

I agree. I was also able to see how things work in EssayShark for quite some time in the past. As a writer, you are required to write a kind of "sample writing" in relation to the order's subject and topic when you apply for it. Shark should have noticed it before he proceeded with the writer. However, although this must be hard to imagine, EssayShark could have taken the chance to victimize Sharked since $600 is a great deal of money. Paying a writer for that dissertation would take away some of that $600. Who knows?

Anyway, I simply did not like how EssayShark does things, and had to get out of it.

I worked for Prospect Solutions for only about 3 months last year. I think that was from March to May. The writing site is certainly legitimate. I got paid for competed works.

However, the reason I was prevented for further works is that I made a certain mistake, which I did not expect to be serious for them. They called me by phone asking for my confirmation if I am truly able to complete the assignment I applied for. I said yes. Unfortunately, I had an emergency and was not able to complete it within the next day. I asked the support team if they could reassign the job since I already have appointments in the following days within the week, and will not be able to complete the paper before its deadline.

After a week, coming from my appointments, I read an email from them notifying me of the termination of my account. They simply reasoned out that they already told the customer that the order is already being done. For them, what I did 'seriously' brought difficulty to the processing of the order.

In other writing job sites, retracting from orders is allowed. However, others may apply some fines. Nonetheless, I believe Prospect Solution is a legitimate writing job site. I just do not know how it has been these days.

I really do not know how such a good start of conversation would end up in a personal debate.

Anyway, answer to Robb's question is plainly simple. I believe taking part on freelance writing jobs is just as being employed to a local company. When a writer registers to a freelance writing job site, he is supposed to be in agreement with the Terms and Conditions of that company. One specific policy is that writers are never allowed to publish, post, or sell completed papers to any other persons outside the site he/she belongs to. On the other side, customers are supposed to agree with the Terms and Conditions for the company that offers them custom writing services. One of those is that they should never provide any personal information to the writers.

In the very first place, failure to comply with the company's terms definitely mean "betrayal". As a writer, you make yourself bound by the rules and regulations of the company you work for, and make every single effort to remain faithful and loyal to it.

Writers "steal" clients when they make unnecessary negotiations within the writing site. Besides, it is by the company's efforts - through the website - that clients make their orders. Not by the writer's. If a writer wants to have personal clients, he/she should have his "personal" way of getting some.

I hope this answers the question.