Why protect American students when you know majority of clients are from ESL countries?

Why protect American students when you know majority of clients are from ESL countries?

What you're asking isn't even remotely clear, but if you're suggesting that ESL customers want ESL writers, you're usually mistaken.

There is definitely a place for ESL writers in this industry. They need to be honest with themselves and with their customers about their skill level, however. For instance, ESL customers that hire you as a writer need to be aware that their papers will have many errors in grammar, syntax, and word usage. If this is what they want, then you're the right writer for them. If they want something written in academically correct English, you're not.

Your major problem is in assumptions. The question/concern was clear.

No, it wasn't. And it still isn't, because instead of trying to clarify when you're told you're being unclear, you react like an arrogant ass and assume that because you know what you meant everyone else will, too. that's not how language works.

That is not how grammar works.

First, a missed capitalization has nothing to do with grammar; second, that's really teh best you can come up with?

I understand.

Saw that one coming from a mile off. Tsk tsk ...

Munywab, what exactly are you asking in your original post? O.o

Good. I'm glad you understand. I type fast and make mistakes. A lot. Your point?

haha, pwned.

muny, the answer to your question is: people here are trying to "protect American students" because the internet opened up a big external change in the paper mill market. it's a brave new world, but the entrenched US/UK companies are scared. there are writers out there who are literate in various forms of post-colonial English, write for cheaper prices, and often produce copy that is indistinguishable in quality... not that quality matters in this industry anyway, since the customer has no legal recourse.

when idiots like pheelyks say, "there's definitely a place for ESL writers," as if they're politely making a concession, it's hilarious... the "place" to which he's referring is, in his mind, the "back of the bus..." but he doesn't even realize who's driving.

Back to more completely inane assertions and illogical inferences, I see. The "place" I'm referring to is the place writers like MeoKhan occupy--offering ESL essays to ESL students who want ESL essays. The reason this is their "place" is because it matches what they are able to offer.

As for who's driving the bus, if you mean I don't realize there are companies making lots of money through the work of their writers, you're wrong. But we've been down this road before.

dead on! the only kind of ESL writer you're comfortable with is a fawning, self-hating toady.

WB-- I'm still waiting for Academon to lower the boom. have you made that phone call yet?

....and one more completely illogical inference. I think people should be honest about what they can offer, so ESL writers pretending to be native speakers is a bad thing. Do you disagree?

I would state that being honest is the most important thing.

Second is your skills.

I have already discussed that deviations cannot be completely removed from person's use of a language that is their 2nd language.

It's possible only if the person learns it as a child. In this case the language may not be regarded as their 2nd lang.

However, other skills such as syntax, usage, and prose can be controlled to an extent that it passes the standard benchmarks.

The world is moving toward GlobEng - stressing the need of more and more deculturation (specially) in academic writing.

Thus, Editor75, I am in business. However, I always clearly let my clients know of my country of origin, and that English is my 2nd language.

ESL writers are writers, first and foremost. they are just as likely to be horrible at English as native speakers, in this industry... or even a little less so, I'd imagine, since they have the wherewithal to know at least 2 languages to begin with. if there's going to be disclosure, it should be equal-- if MeoKhan has to disclose English as his 2nd language, you, pheelyks, should have to notify clients that you are a native speaker who still stumbles over the use of simple contractions.

Meo, honesty has nothing to do with it. look at the industry-- it's based on lies. talking about the primacy of honesty in such an environment is absurd. you're right about one thing-- it's about skill. that's all. that you preemptively tell your clients that you are not a native English speaker is either a lie or a further form of pathetic self-abasement... judging by your conduct on this forum, I would guess the latter.

That's kinda mean. :P Just because the industry is seen as dubious to begin with, is that really an excuse for the companies to be half-assed about the services they provide? I'm inclined to feel a bit sorry for the customers if that's the case. Don't get me wrong, I think it's awful that some students actually pay to have their homework written for them (although they are advised to use it as a guide, which some do I guess). I'm also not denying the fact that ESL writers can be perfectly competent. Still, the students are paying customers: don't they at least deserve the truth?

Based on the evidence on this board and what I witnessed working at UVO, I completely disagree. What are you basing this claim on?


Other than the occasional "you're/your" screwup, which I'll admit is a fairly basic error (and one not very likely to occur in academic papers, where personal pronouns aren't used), care to provide an example?

After full-stop, always begin a new sentence with a capital letter. When will you learn to write in good English?

As I told you previously, your Acdn account does so little (if any) sales that I deemed it not worth the extra effort involved in getting it banned. You're an extremely small fish, Rusty. Initially, I thought it would be a worthwhile venture, but I should have known that you were LYING when you claimed that you had "thousands of dollars" in your Academon account. I revel in your failure, struggles, and ineptitude.


Moron . . . . That just about sums up Rusty's skewed mindset.

WB-- you might have been able to help shut down a couple of overseas spam-companies that were competing with ET, but you can't touch a productive account at a legitimate company... you're only going to prove yourself a delusional victim of internet entitlement.

none of your fake mercy. if the account is just peanuts as you claim, it shouldn't be too much of a job for you to have it shut down, just to teach me a lesson. right? I dare you to make good on your word.

Ah, so what happened to your previous claims about me having "no teeth" and "no power" to follow through on my promises?


Well, I do like a challenge. Considering that you've outright ASKED me to help get your "4years" account shut down, I will oblige.

I like this. However, note that strong companies have been faced out by the dynamism that we have these days. I am also happy that you feel threatened in this industry despite your being down this road before.

okay, WB-- no changing your mind this time. and while you try in vain to make good on your boast, or think up a new excuse to get out of it, I'll make sure to update you every time I get a payment from Academon.

What gave you that idea?

phyleeks+wB+moekhan=same moron

Care to prove it?

Either of your quotes answers the other. The writer might be Phyleeks and the company might be ESL-owned. Not every hospital-owner has done medicine.

None of this makes any sense. It sounds like you're talking in bad Cold War-era spy code.

Don't you recognize the finest Swahili-English when you see it? He's a master . . .

bator.

In before he completely misses the point and complains that this 'sentence' didn't begin with a capital letter.

Don't count him out just yet. He's that stupid.

Meaning you either never understand because of your close-mindedness or because you are just a moron, never to understand in the near future when the thickest will be understanding.

Looser, you must be feeling the heat of an industry being taken by what you never thought would.

Guys, open up your eyes and see what is happening in this industry. Do not close yourselves up in essayscam. Get to hear the truth out there and you will be surprised how the four monkeys (WB, Phyleeks, meo...whoever and its...whatever) fail to acknowledge.


(Its.........a/s..........) you are just a grownup moron; says nothing, understands little and thinks 'it' is the opposite.


I agree. Same person, same thoughts, same words, same moron. Stop wasting too much time to recover. Go and utilize your writing talent working for an ESL. I hope you read Gates' words about who works for who. Lol.

Right....


...than what?


exactly....


Why don't you bring the "truth" in here, starting with a list of the companies you own/work for, where you hire your writers, and how much you pay them.

You are calling somebody else a monkey?

Lolz

I must say you're being cynical. You always lose main the point of departure and start your own philosophy.


Are you a jury member? I guess no. You're a self-proclaimed judge of the writing industry when you yourself admit being banned by a company.

My conduct on this forum is clearly open to everyone since day one. My posts tell people what I am. That's it.


I am really sorry to say your words show your dearth of knowledge regarding what is happening in the essay writing industry. This whole forum is meant to focus on scam. I am also sorry for you - You've been so active in jumping here and there commenting, passing judgement. However, it's surprising to note that you sill pass such comments. I'd suggest you spend a few minutes in going through some threads on famous scam. You'd be in a better position to give your precious opinion.

@MeoKhan

LOL. You don't know when to quit, do you? :P So much for moving on. I like how you quoted me out of context, though, as if it makes you sound really clever.


Basically, there are some students who try to submit the essays they pay for for academic credit (as editor75 implied); there is no denying this, and I have little sympathy for those students. At the same time, there are also those students who do use the work they pay for as a guide (like I said in the brackets). So, no, they don't deserve to be scammed from the outset just because some people think the industry is based on deceit. Just my two cents there. So-rry if it offends you that I dare to post at all, but it seems like you completely missed my point. "Linguistic deviations?" ^_^ Ha.


LOL. Unlike you, always full of wisdom and impartiality. ^__^ But hey, you learned a new phrase from our last encounter. Go Meo! Still, I kind of miss the good ol' days of people hurling turnips. ROFLMAO!


Are you just so embarrassed about getting your a** kicked when you joined this forum that you feel some compulsive need to bestow the same fate on newbies or what? See, I did read something. ^_^ I have nothing against your "precious opinion" either. Keep up the good work fighting scams, seriously. You seem to be the one with the problem here. Now do you want to leave this alone or should I continue distracting you with my awful presence? :P

Why don't you people learn to get serious sometimes? Focus on the topic of discussion instead of relentlessly exhibiting insane behaviors. Any additional crappy post will be deleted without any further delay, and the moron responsible will be flogged. Be warned!!

As if you have any kind of authority here? Why do you make claims you have absolutely no way of backing up> Your Kenyan arrogance is getting the better of you.

You have quoted your words once again. Anyone can see, I didn't quote anything out of context. I can also see it was only after my post that you referred to my old posts - you read them afterward. You gotta admit it. Lolz!


Hahaha. It is very simple to see you're referring to the information everyone related to serious writing business has internalized for century. It's where I said you needed to read. As a result you've read only my past posts. Do you think posting form my previous posts makes your posts impressive? Lolz! You need to learn how to argue.


Lolz! That was mean. But I honestly am laughing. :p Good point.


Lolz. I see you're making a very valid point here. Yes, I must admit I was not welcome with 'open arms' on this forum.

However, if you analytically see the entire situation, you will find the logic behind it. I am perhaps the only 1 ESL writer here who has made some serious efforts to show I am not like others. So when I joined the forum, Pheelyks, WB, among others, possibly thought I would be the same as others.

My English is not like the native English speakers. However, it's also right I am not a scam. I hope you get my point.

I don't meddle with any newbies. Many come and go. If you have read my posts, you've probably seen I always try to help the newbies regarding their queries. I spend a lot of time researching for what they inquire of. (I believe this is the only reason we're here.)

It's only new-babies like you who want some overhauling. Lolz!


I don't mind what you do. However, please note that you're the one who needs some tuning from time to time. I am sure going to to fine-tune your strings whenever need be :-D.