The Example Dissertation Network - also known as Urgent PhD Thesis. Scam or not?

I don't see much info on this company. Their main web page is located at Dissertation Network where the redundancy of "e" is eliminated in the linked name. Judging from the lack of negative remarks they seem to be legitimate so I inquired further on their web site. However there I discovered that they could be the most expensive company in this business. First of all, they define a page to be 250 words while I am pretty sure that the writers would be dictated to write 300 words to constitute a page because 250 words would fill about 70 % of the page under standard formatted. So a writer does 300 words of work to get paid for a page however the company charges for 50 more words above 250 words and keeps the extra payment without sharing it with the writer? My inference could be wrong completely but I would like to be enlightened in this matter.

Secondly, I got a feeling from this site that any company that promises grades should not to be taken at its word. So when I clicked the "Price Quote" button on their site, the first thing it asked me in a drop down menu list was the grade I was expecting. And based on that, the price was calculated. Even many fraudulent companies withhold from promising grades so I don't know how to judge *************.

Thirdly, their charges seem to be incredibly out of the roof. I looked at how much they charge for an essay which is the most frequent sort of order. First of all they accept essay orders for no less than 2 pages which they parenthetically add that it is equal to 500 words. So I saw afterwards that for a 500 words(2 pages) written for a high school student promising a grade of an A/A+ and delivered within 72 hrs (3 days) is charged a whopping 90 dollars. That's 45 dollars per page. And the same essay within 8-23 hours is priced at 104 dollars. Their lowest price for a high school essay with the lowest promised grade of a B to be delivered after 2 months is priced at 22 dollars per page where of course the page is 250 words. Do they pay their writers adjusting for the rates they charge because I would guess that most writers would get paid around $10/page when they write 300 words/page. Most writers would take a 72 hours based essay, write 2 pages (600 words) and get paid 20 dollars at best. While the company would charge 90 dollars for the same essay not regarding the extra 100 words which would be charged separately. This would happen when 99% of the work is done by the writers themselves. I could be wrong as all these may be outdated but it surely does not seem so.

And finally, they claim that they are from England and no one here seems to dispute that. But on the same "Price Quote" page, I see numerous instances of ESL writing pattern as they appeal to the customer to pick their company from the myriad of writing firms. Here is an example from the end of their price quote web page, "Work which normally takes several months will be completed to the highest possible standards in as little as 5 days, if you want and in one month, should you so choose...For dissertations, theses and long projects, we may accept payment in installments."

It may be that all these evidences are mere remnants from a not so terrific past or it could be that the company holders have a stake in this forum thus controlling arising negativity. In either case, I hope that there are answers to all these.

Hello centralpark,

My name is James. I am one of the partners for Dissertation Network and am an active writer and manager of the website. I would like to address some of your concerns.

I admit we are higher than some services, but we are definitely not the most expensive. Our writers are very highly paid as we only hire academically qualified researchers (proof of academic degree required). I joined the business as a writer and have moved up into management and partner. I can attest to the fact that I was required to show proof of my academic qualifications.


Your assumption is incorrect. Writers are required to submit 250 words per page, not 300. If we were out to cheat our writers, wouldn't we have kept our client-end network a secret from them? Furthermore, our Writer Policy Guide explicitly states the percentage the writer gets off each order. Add to that, our writers receive a 10% bonus on their earnings at the end of each season. Once again, I can adamantly say that we are the one of the highest paying writing companies online.


Please read our advisory. Students are not to submit the work as their own. The grade promised is not the grade the marker will award (we clearly state that none can promise that). Instead, it will satisfy all the requirements of the A/B/ etc grade on the grading matrix sheet which the client provides. I will explain, suppose a paper has instructions that require a certain amount of items to be included in order to achieve an "A," a "B," etc. If a customer orders an "A" paper then all of the items will be included. If a "B" paper is ordered then the items needed to achieve that grade will be included. These are research, length, and other requirements in the instructions. We are not guaranteeing a grade because we know it would be impossible to guarantee such things. Professors can be flaky and picky, and we cannot guarantee overcoming a professor's biases etc. The student is told to not turn in the work as their own product and we adhere to that policy.


The writer would get much much more than what you've assumed. Again...the writer is required to submit 250 words per page, not 300. The customer pays for 250 words per page mainly because assignments require words per page to be in multiples of 250. I have yet to see an order requiring 900 words. I see many requiring 1000 words etc.


No ESL writing. The company owners are British (majority), Australian and American. Management and support are exclusively British/American. I, personally, am from Texas. I live near the Spindletop Oil discovery in the early 1900s...a town called Beaumont. I attended law school near Minute Maid Park in Houston, Texas. Minute Maid Park is where the horrible Astros baseball team plays.


The company has no stake in this forum and has its own. No. We are a year old and do not have anything to hide at all. If you like you can visit the site and send support a message. I will personally respond to it. I understand your concerns...especially with this type of service. There are many companies out there that are shady at best and complete frauds at worst. You must understand that you should first try and contact the company before you begin assuming things. I am not angry about your assumptions, but you should try and contact the company before you post things that are untrue but in a veil of assumption.

I hope I have answered all of your questions, and feel free to email us.

Regards,
James

Dissertation Network

Centralpark,

Forgot one other thing. "Instalments" is the British way of writing the word. It is strange to me as well being from Texas, but that is the way the Brits do it.

An instalment (or installment in American English).

Hello James,
Thank you for your reply. I am sorry if my concerns were negatively viewed in any respect. But the way I see it, a honest and reliable company can only be strengthened under scrutiny. Even then I have attempted to validate the company's position in many of the issues I raised. I did not have any intention to defame the company since the questions I put forward were highly appropriate. And I am glad to say that you answered them quite aptly. Still I would like to extend my case a bit although not in any offensive stance.

Concerning the multiple of 250 words as representing pages ordered, you are right as recalling from my own academic history that I worded papers in multiples of 250 words as that was the prof's demand. Still there were equal number of instances when the prof. demanded pages as a whole, disregarding the number of words. In those cases, multiples of 300 would be better fitting to the prof's expectations. At the same time, almost all writing companies' web sites I have studied state a page to quantify 300 words. But that being said, your reasons for 250 words per page are equally justified.

Your reasons for the grading scheme provided during ordering is also viable. I was inclined that there could be a reason behind it and thus had withheld from making a judgment call concerning that matter.

The "instalments" wording was a big issue with me but your reply relieves my concerns. Although the sentence structuring - especially with the comma placements - in the paragraph I quoted above does look a bit weak. But it may still fall within acceptable boundaries and may even be an instance of British grammar. Regardless, that matter in my sight is resolved.

Now, you wrote in your initial reply that "our Writer Policy Guide explicitly states the percentage the writer gets off each order." As you can see, I had highlighted a typical case where a two page essay had 3 days of deadline. There the company makes $90. Now, what would you saw is the maximum percentage of this amount that the writer with that project in hand can possibly make? I was on WriterBeware's website(hope you know what I am hinting of) and they charge a maximum of $39 per page. Curiously, they also pay $21 per page as a maximum to their writers. Thus their policy can be generalized to indicate that the writer makes about 50% of the total price. Although I personally believe that this is still less since it is only the writer that does the actual heavy lifting and the company only provides a platform and acts as an intermediary. However I do not take much offense with this system as we live in a capitalistic world where greed is the driving factor - much more so than BP's oil. Regardless, coming back to my point, I would like to reiterate the question I posted earlier. So in the case I highlighted, would the writer be able to make $45 for the two pages which would be 50% of the total price quoted to the customer? And if your answer is yes then is not it still true that the system of project acquisition is most likely bid-based(I could be wrong here) and there will be large number of writers who consider it a jackpot to get that paper at $10 per page. And the qualified but expecting guy would end up having to compromise or walk away. I am saying all this because Dissertation Network itself has indicated that their costliness is due to them having hired absolutely top notch writers. This is what is stated in their own words on the "Price Quote" page:

Where you to seek legal consul or a medical opinion, you will pay up to $500 for the first and up to $200 for a quick, 15 minute check-up. Were you, as a student, to seek the help of a private tutor, you would be charged as much as $125 per 45 minutes. Bearing that in mind, do you really believe that we can have professionals and specialists working on your orders if they are not paid that which they are worth? We are not expensive and, indeed, for the quality we provide, our services are realistically priced. We know that there are many who charge $10-20 for college and university level assignments and we cannot, and never will, beat their prices. Do you know why? Because we do not hire students as writers and we do not assign any other than professional academic researchers to your orders. We have a certain standard to maintain and few in this industry can afford to have CNN reports such as this one, done on them. We provide you with professional help and professionals do not come cheap.

So as you see, the primary reason for the expense is stated to be the writers. And it is only logical and moral that the writers who are cited as the cause do get their due respect. It would be appalling if the writers are held to be the reason for the large expense and then they are soothed by being compensated with $5-$7 more than your competitors. So again, would you say that a writer will be paid around 50% of the price without struggling with low bidding Third World writers - no disrespect intended? It does not have to be necessarily as much but I have used that to make a point. But do reply with a solid and straightforward answer as you have done previously. Thanks.

Supposing that the customer has not received a discount (loyalty scheme, etc), the maximum is 42%. If the writer is one of our top performers, he or she will receive an additional 10% at the end of the season. I have personally received a bonus on top of everything else.


Let's keep rumors and innuendos out of this.


The website you are referring to is known for its very fair pay structure and its hiring of top-quality writers.


This is a fallacy and any writer who believes this should open their own site. Companies carry various overheads and pay taxes. Management is responsible for vetting each and every order before passing along to clients; for revising orders; etc etc. The good companies are definitely not `platforms' and `intermediaries.'


No, Platinum and Gold writers would make 42% of the total quoted to the customer, not counting the quarterly bonus.


We do not having a bidding system in place and do not intend to implement one.

While we fully support our customers and writers posting genuine complaints and concerns here, questions such as those you've posed should be dealt with through our support system. They are not `complaints.' The moderators may well object to our replies here since essayscam is not our support forum and is not intended for our use as such. This forum's reason for existence (which has been stated many times by such posters as WritersBeware etc.) is to expose scams. This forum is not to establish legitimacy.

Besides, everything you have posted thus far does not deal with scamming customers or writers. We have up front pay scales and the writer can choose a project or not choose a project. If they believe a paper would pay too little then they do not have to complete that paper. Another writer would undoubtedly take the order. What you are asking in this message thread is an establishment of some sort of legitimacy I suppose, which is tantamount to a recommendation of our website. This is a violation of the forum's policies, and I will not take part in these 20 question charades, because this is not our platform. If you have a legitimate question or concern then please utilize our support tab at the website. I should let you know as well as any other reader know that you have yet to contact the website support personally with your concerns. If you really were concerned about the website then you would have contacted every available channel. I am assuming you may have different motives here. Regardless if you do or do not, I believe this conversation is over and all questions have been answered. Use our support contact if you have further concerns...I am still waiting on your first support complaint.

As I had previously indicated, neither do I have an agenda to defame the company nor to uphold it. I don't have any particular issues with the company either. If you see in my first post in this thread, you will see that I was basically trying to tally people's opinions about the company as they were highly lacking otherwise. I do know that legitimate companies are known to have no reason for being mentioned since otherwise their legitimacy may only be more solidified which is equivalent to a recommendation. That is why I stated a few of my observations of the company which any other novel observer would find equally questionable - at least at a first glance - and let others reply on what they think about those matters.

I am well aware that recommendations are not allowed that is why the WB example I used was only to generate a scenario to explain my point better. In fact, I was so neutral towards taking any particular stance concerning that company that you unwittingly made a recommendation for it when you stated that, "The website you are referring to is known for its very fair pay structure and its hiring of top-quality writers.", thinking that I was groundlessly taking a negative stance against it. Neither then nor now am I intending to recommend it or oppose it as I could have easily used some other company to state my point more vividly.

And once again, I do not have any other motive. The reason why I did not contact the Urgent Thesis forum directly as you advised is because I like any other smart inquirer wanted to know the matter from people who are more likely to be free of affiliations.

You stated


You are right, they are not complaints because they are mere concerns and intelligently I decided to discuss them here instead of in the Urgent PhD Thesis forum.


I don't think this is true because recommendations are subtle forms of communications that create a positive picture of the matter under judgment applying abstract principles based on opinions. So stating that company ABC is a good company because they pay their writers good is a recommendation as it is opinionated. But stating that ABC pays 42% in winter and 35% in summer is not a recommendation. It is just absolute objective truth which is only being dispersed through communication. And I have been careful not to ask anything whose reply could be a matter of opinion.

Thanks for your replies which I forgot to mention in the last post. I do understand that the information you mentioned may be not something that the company may be willing to share publicly and so I will contact you directly now although not with any particular complaints.

Yet you are asking me questions...the one person on this forum 100% affiliated with the website. If you want to ask anything else then go to our contact link and send support an email.

I ordered a research paper to Urgent PhD Thesis July 2009! and I never got my paper or money back. I just want to tell students that they should be careful about ordering paper there! I have all my emails and chat histories they sent me. More information is provided if somebody need it.

In that case, contact their payment processor and request a chargeback. If they cannot establish that a paper was received, you should get your funds back.

Dissertation Network new scammer? OR it has already been scammer!

I ordered a research paper to Urgent PhD Thesis July 2009. They promised me to deliver it in time. But still after soon 12 months I am waiting to the paper. 2 months ago they promised me a refund but I got nothing. I don't know how I can get my money back. I am living i Europe but not in UK:( I just want my money back.

I have saved all my emails and chat histories during these months, they just promised and promised but nothing happened. I can provide it if somebody can help me.

Hello Rosalin,

I determined your name from your information presented above. Let me explain to everybody reading this board exactly what transpired.

First, you ordered a paper from us requiring 20 pages. You actually received 80 pages in the process due to all of the small details you wanted changed throughout the course of our relationship. You then decided to change the direction of the paper in part, but not totally, which would require about 40 additional pages. You did not want to pay the additional fees for the tripling of your order...despite the fact that we had already written 60 pages over your original order. You were a very belligerent customer and we mutually agreed to give you a refund...mainly to stop the headache you were causing. All of that work we had previously completed (on point with your topic mind you) we decided to merely take a loss. We ultimately blacklisted you from our website in order to avoid such a problem with you in the future.

For everybody's information, I have included proof of your refunds. I have blocked out enough of your personal information as needed. If you wish to pursue this matter further on this forum or any other public forum then we will be forced to take legal options against your defamation of our company. We have proof of your refund in the files provided with this post. The first image is your customer information. The third image is the system asking us whether or not we want to refund your order. The fourth image is a confirmation that your order was refunded.

James, Dissertation Network UK

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  Asking us if we want to refund your payment
  
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  Confirmation that your payment was refunded
  

Some comments to you!

I am surprised to see your answer, After 9 months I got a first-part-paper from Kim which wasn't exact about my research paper I told her about what I wanted (as I have been clear always), and she said she will fix it. I told Kim I will pay all the paper, pages are not matter for me, just quality. Then I got no email from Kim. I have all my emails and chat history! What a liar you are!

Kim knows how much patient I had and how much respectful I have been to your company. So be careful how your are talking. I have never got a refund! I checked my bank account no refund is there. I tried several times to ask your company no want could help me. Why when I pay the payment goes directly but when it is about refund it takes many weeks? why I should create headache if I got already the refund. I am surprise to see how you treat your customer. If you have any phone number I can call you and tell you all story from the beginning(order date) and forward you all my emails and chat history.

The only thing I wanted was the research paper or money back. If you did write so many pages why I didn't get any? Every time when I asked Kim she just wrote "It is going throw plagiarism, check your email 36 hours later". Do you want to see all these emails? Could you send the paper to me you did? I have still right to get my paper I have paid it!

James!

One more thing, as you said you issued a refund! and you attached the printscreen of the refund! Is it possible for you(your company) to ask the payment company (is it swreg?) about why I didn't get the refund. (I think you should do it to avoid such a kind misunderstanding in the future) It is unbelievable that money is "hanging out" somewhere.

And about research paper, I didn't change any direction I just followed my clear request I sent you before. Again! I have told before and I will tell again, I am ready to pay all the paper if it fills the requirement I send you from the first day. Can we communicate by email? Is is possible for you? (You have my email address in your company's database)

Have a nice day.

Again it is me!

I got a phone call from the Example Dissertation Network. I am happy they called me finally, it has been some misunderstanding between me and them. The person I talked with told me they really issued a refund. My first impression was that she doesn't lie!?. So my suspect about this company is "a scammer" is not true.

I wonder what is the "sender" name when you got refund from the Urgent Thesis. I can not see the refund in my bank account. I need this information to ask my bank about what happened to the issued refund.

Would be grateful if somebody can answer me from Dissertation Network.

Hello,

The conversation that took place was about our intentions to pursue legal options against you because you denied two substantial facts. One, you denied we refunded your money. Two, you denied we ever completed or sent you any work. The refund was issued 2 months ago by the way. However, in light of your admission during the recent phone conversation, and your admission that you did receive the paper taped and recorded per the conversation, we will not escalate the matter. As you were told, the phone call was recorded by legal. This forum is not for support issues and in the absence of a genuine scam complaint you should contact us through our various support channels. I consider this matter resolved on this forum, and if you have a support claim please use our support link.

James, Example Dissertation Network

... evident throughout your posts. While your English is okay, you are certainly not a native speaker.

I don't believe that one whose posts expose a remarkable adversity to commas is, in any way, in a position to comment on their placement.

Do you think I am unaware that many of my sentences do not have commas at the right places? In fact, I may even forget to put a question mark where it is obviously required. What I don't do here is type 3 pages and then waste time to go back and make it sound fashionable so that readers can see how great a writer I am. And please don't start another conversation on the use of the word fashionable because I am sure you can easily make it a subjective issue. And I also know that the word "fashionable" above should also have been quoted and a good English professor will also tell me not to start a sentence with an "And", which I do here frequently. But unlike you, I don't regularly visit this website and neither do I have any inclinations to do so. I only come here if there is an issue that I consider to be pressing enough warranting a visitation. And nor do I intend to answer back to your subtle invitation for a belligerent give and take that is so typical of people on this site.

But let me say one thing. The sentence I quoted from the site I originally discussed with MRE seemed to be grammatically lacking and indicative of an ESL web designer or whoever was involved in crafting the page. The following sentence was quoted:

Work which normally takes several months will be completed to the highest possible standards in as little as 5 days, if you want and in one month, should you so choose.

This sentence may be grammatically correct but is certainly not framed aesthetically. It could have been crafted as follows:

If you want, work which normally takes several months will be completed to the highest possible standards in as little as 5 days or in a month, should you so choose.

There are better ways of stating that but I only intended to restructure the sentence and not reword it. Regardless, this discussion of that sentence is not to incite a wave of posts by any party in defense of any other party so please try to refrain yourself.

Now, as for your claim of my "adversity" to commas, I am not as much of a comma hater as much as I intend to claim that you are a commaphile. Most of my sentences where you may have placed a comma, do not necessarily require a comma. For example, in the sentence below,

I don't think this is true because recommendations are subtle forms of communications that create a positive picture of the matter under judgment applying abstract principles based on opinions.

Here you can put commas if you like to break it down, or not, depending on your mental capacity to process the sentence as a whole versus in fragments. I suppose you may be inclined to be of the second kind as I found your sentences to be soaked in commas, which for me only create interruption. But I did not make a judgment call and claim that you are handicapped in achieving higher cerebral functionality - at least not up to this point.

However, my initial sentence in this thread should have had commas inserted. It reads:

Judging from the lack of negative remarks they seem to be legitimate so I inquired further on their web site.

Here there should have been commas after "remarks" and "legitimate." But I am not here writing for money and neither to be exalted as a writer so I neglect all such requirements. However, I understand that any sentence that you may have written will be and has been ripped apart by hyenas, counting on a moment of weakness and so you may have learned to be extra careful. But you also learned to be like one in order to defend your own thoughts and make gigantic assumptions based on trivial findings in sentences posted by others. Now I am sure you can quote this last sentence and show me many sentences from my posts where I do not place commas or other lexical necessities in order to counter my phrasing of "trivial findings," trying to show how they are anything but trivial. But please control yourself from doing so because I don't intend to write yet another lengthy reply to any of your provocations.

As a final note, I think you got the idea of making dubious claims against me after I ignored to answer back to your posts from the "essaywriters" thread, as that is the only place I have actually posted material apart from here. You thought that you will be my teacher and I will be your student, so you started to cross your limits claiming complete ignorance on my part. From your writings it became clear to me that you are an industry insider, recommending the industry as a whole, and preserving the status quo. So it is meaningless for me to reply back. You can always make yourself sound more knowledgeable of the system in order to claim legitimacy while I will actually have to create my own company to prove you wrong, which is something you yourself have indicated. You can keep 70% and claim to your writers that it is stipulated by the costs. If you are right than this is the least efficient online industry - now don't start another issue by naming other industries which could be even less efficient. But if you are wrong then it still does not matter as your writers are delighted to get above or at $10/page. So it ends here for me. But you can keep on posting defamation as you like. While I may have desired "lion's share" - as per the other thread - you can keep on posting here against me to subconsciously assert in your mind that you rule this jungle of a forum as a lion. This is your "lion's share," which you cannot help but fight to preserve.

Okay, I will say this one last time assuming you missed my point earlier.

In almost all my posts, I have written around 3 pages each time. I basically write what comes in my mind and leave it as it is. I have an actual job to do. I don't get to sit here and write artistic literature while money is flowing in my company, where I keep 70-80% and pay the remaining to the writer. I am not here trying to correct spelling errors, punctuation errors, grammatical errors, lexical errors, or even make highly researched statements. In short, I am not here to take any defensive writing stance assuming great writers will reap me apart for the errors I will end up making otherwise. I was well aware of the grammatical mistakes I was making during my writing, but as long as the point was penned, I kept on going. I see that the informality of electronic messaging has completely been disregarded by the veterans of this forum. If you have some other idea then I should mention that I am not a professional writer either. So I am not here looking to communicate a resume.

I find it shameful to have to converse with you. Originally I wanted someone to go through my post(s), get the point, and make an attempt to reply back, with their opinion in hand. I didn't expect to be in a judgment seat, facing the self-appointed Judge Grammar.

If you still can't get it through your thick head, then let me be state it differently. I resent to write on this forum on matters which are only remotely my concern. I still went through it, but unlike you, this is not my hobby. Probably only one thing you know - which is to write - is something you need to pompously display as being of superior nature. Well, keep on doing it. And by the way, I can find more errors in my posts. But if that invalidates the points I try to convey, then that makes the readers of this forum even stupider than you.

You are a bit too fond of `assuming.'

Now - you chose to comment on `ESL writing' and improper grammar. I replied by pointing out that you were not in a position to judge. Why? Read through your posts - the mistakes you make have nothing to do with `writing quickly.' You incorrectly use words (almost as if you were selecting synonyms from Thesaurus); are obsessed with run-ons; mess up your prepositions; etc etc ...


What does this mean? Ok - I understand that you don't know the difference between `rip' and `reap'but, other than that ...


Yes. Your pet peeve :) Stop assuming that all companies offer the same pay rate as RWC, AR, EW and co.


Hadn't you positioned yourselves as such, I would not have commented on your writing `skills' :)


(No comment on language) If you resent posting, why post? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen ...

Good writers are very well paid and good companies do not pocket 70-80%, as you are so fond of assuming.

If I make writing errors, then that disqualifies me in making judgments on officially presented pages.

I can't understand why would you hold such a moronic "assumption." And yes, I have used the word "assumption" here because it is perfectly appropriate. But you can do one thing as a service for me. Count all the times when I used that word or its derivatives, divide the number of lines I posted with that count, and then make fun of your findings. I am sure it will amuse you even more.

The subject of this debate is not the error but the context of the error. If there is an error on a company web page then that is an official mistake needing correction. Official statements should reflect a state of accuracy and not display a nature of preliminary drafting. But according to you, I make a mistake here conversing with a second-class person like you, and that disqualifies me to post grammar errors reflected in money earning web pages.

I am not claiming that the mistakes I made are due to "writing quickly." This is your "assumption." I said that I write what comes to my mind without going back to change the structure of that sentence, as long as the point is communicated. That is why there are run-ons and so on. I have no intention to correct errors in spellings or a mistaken use of word when it does not earn me a penny. But you on the other hand, are earning fame and legitimacy for your company, in every post you create.


Stop using that word. Do what you just preached. And it is not my 'assumption' either. I am more than sure that whatever company you own must basically chant that principle.

Judge Grammar


Grammar falls in the realm of avoiding run-ons, correctly using prepositions and so on. If it was about 'writing skills,' then I would have rightly called you 'Judge Jargon.'


It seems to me that you are more fond of that word than you allege me of being. No writer is a 'well paid' writer, not even Western ones. Every writer is underpaid. You take the opposing position in defense of the industry where you have a considerable stake. Even at a base pay of $12-15, it is still not a good pay. And if your company does not keep 70%, then it keeps 60%. And I am sure that is a badge of honor for you.

I did not claim you were fond of the word but of the act itself.


No. You are not qualified, full stop :) You corrected what was not an error :)


Only there was no error :)


Back to your pet peeve. I have an idea - open your own company and give your writers 90% of all your earnings. How does that sound?

If you believe that companies are taking advantage of writers, then put your foot down; take action. Believe me - those of us who pay writers 50%, really cannot afford to pay any more. No way, no how. How are we supposed to cover our expenses? Pay salaries? Get to know the inner workings of companies in this industry before you pass judgement.

Well, you should be happy that I am in a state of 'assuming' and not 'alleging' - at least in the matters that I am. That only shows that I am willing to be convinced but now it seems to me that I was wrong.


Firstly, you cannot claim that someone is qualified or not, unless you are a judge in the Court of Law. This you are not - except the self-appointment you have adorned yourself with. Every person has the right to put forward such remarks as I did. No one is disqualified because you say so. No one has appointed you to regulate the industry and any claims against it. In fact, every ESL student should judge a company image by remarking their web site quality. If they find any doubtful matters then they should post them here in order to find answers. If they write in broken English, then that does not disqualify them to remark their linguistic concerns about a company. But applying your point, it seems that the framework of this forum in not meant to support inquisitive students. You want to paint the picture of the industry as you prefer. You reflect a typical authoritarian system. You want to be the judge and you want to appoint a jury of your choosing.

Secondly, I never 'corrected what was not an error.' I put the sentence structure for consideration. I even stated that it is not incorrect. But I still hold that it is not properly stated. And of course, since here I write pages full of drafts without attempting to properly state my position, you will find me disqualified again. After all, to you, both situations are equal.


Don't patronize me. When I claim that paying writers 40% is not exactly ethical, that does not mean that they 'can' be paid 90%. Forget about my 'pet peeve,' as you constantly remark that I only have a single point to put forward over and over again. You should be brought to awareness of your own pet peeve where you constantly claim legitimacy by telling me to open my own company. In other words, foreign companies are absolutely fraudulent while we epitomize ethics.

Corect but incorrect?


So, let me try to sort this out:






$10 is good (in one post); $12 is fair (in another); anything under $15 is unethical (in yet another post); $15 is "peanuts" ...

As for the `ethical' and `fair' percentage ... I've lost count of the number of times you've changed your mind.

Even the Bucks Fizz airheads, unlike you, were eventually able to `make their minds up' :)


Absolutely no argument from me there. That's why I did not comment on any of the remarks you make regarding the Example Dissertation Network, save for LANGUAGE. It was difficult to pass it up :)

Why save for "LANGUAGE?" Your point was that if I displayed linguistic errors then I should stay away from such matters. You tried to coerce that opinion directly as well as indirectly. But now you claim that it was just "difficult to pass it up." In other words, it was a moment for you to bask in pretentious claims of grammatical greatness.


My entire introductory post put the issues forward, more or less giving an opportunity to the responder to prove my 'assumptions' as being misguided. If you read carefully then you would have known. And I don't want to restate it again.


'considered' here means that it is accepted. Thus it does not reflect my opinion that $12 from $32 is good.


The context here was the total which I believe I cited as $35.


The commission here refers to the amount kept by the company.


The company may still does not find it easy to make a profitable existence thus the periodic justification.


Since 25% is where I would apply, 15% more would be the most that I would divulge.


It should be clear that my mind is made up. It is your lack of comprehension that results in faulty conclusions.

You ignorantly identified an instance of British spelling as "ESL writing," and then sought to correct that which was already correct. When you position yourself as one qualified to correct the language of others, your ignorance should be highlighted and remarked upon.


Were you to claim that the moon is made of blue cheese, I would similarly correct you and "bask in pretentious claims of astronomical greatness."


Translation?


In your mind it probably is.

As I said before ... form your own company and pay your writers 70-80%. Go down in flames ...

You are becoming something of a bore ...

There was nothing 'ignorantly' about it. If there was then the original responder should have taken offense at it. He did not, but now YOU act as if you were offended.


Again, another display of moronic opinions. I did not 'position' myself to 'correct' anyone's language. Once again, the original responder did not see me in that light either. In fact, he stated that he felt similarly when he originally read that sentence from the web site. Now, there is no 'ignorance' in me questioning that sentence, as I have already stated that even a ESL speaker with very broken English may state their concerns, regardless of their of their own abilities in those matters. But now you are changing your story again as you struggle to find a justifiable cause for you taking an 'offense.' In my opinion, your best bet at justification is mindless jingoism.


Once again, I did not 'claim' anything but rather 'put forward' a sentence for consideration. And my act was not so unnatural as you make it sound. No one but you find it so.


I did make a mistake in properly stating my point here. I meant to say, "Since 25% is what I would apply as commission, ..."


I see you like to resort to your 'pet peeve' far more often than you claim me of having one.

I have not gone above paying writers more than 75% and have also given a green light to a pay of 60%.

And of course, you have to end it with a propaganda that my ideology would result in going 'down in flames.'


This is exactly what I meant when I said that I 'resent' posting here. Basically, it bores me to have to defend myself against meaningless matters while the original point is neglected. Well, the only advice that I can cycle back to you is to 'stay out of the kitchen.'

Ideology? Propaganda? Wow!


The original point is writers' pay - several responded but you are fixated on portraying all as exploiting writers.


How about your conducting a little research on operation and running costs?


I can take the heat. You can't though. So, while I have not resorted to name-calling and insults, you have :)

Why do you claim to be so naive about it? You keep on telling me to open my company to prove you wrong, since that is the only possible avenue - according to you. But you also keep on adding that whatever plan I adopt, will go down in flames. This is how you want to portray the outlook of this matter, all the while indirectly asserting, that present system is perfectly fine.


Absolutely NOT. The original point of THIS THREAD did not need your input. As for the other thread, I refrained myself from responding and have given the reasons why.


Please don't get bored this time then.


I guess to you that is a matter of opinion then.

Do you know what an idology is? It ain't a business model :)


So ... disagreeing with you = insulting you?

Now, you claim that
1) you are not a writer (thank God!)
2) you do not own a company
3) you find this forum boring
So ... why are you here? To tell us all about your ideology?

As for the essay writer thread - your `argument' was smashed to smithereens by all who responded :)

Your own words here show how you consider yourself a 'lion' on this forum. But please don't add 'all who responded' to your argument now. However, it could be that you operate in a 'pride.'


Hyenas can apply immense jaw pressures to 'smash' things to 'smithereens.'


These wild animals have thick skins that also make their heads thick.


disagreeing to you, equals


which also equals


which to me equals


So yes, what you now consider a disagreement is an insult. It was also a 'moronic assumption' that my carelessness here disqualifies me to make assessments.


Here is another example of an oblique insult. Don't thank God about it, first of all. And don't claim any ownership towards being a professional writer who regulates this field.


A business model or any other model for that matter, functions in an ideological arena. Varying shades of capitalistic mindsets are confronted by equally divided political systems. Not to mention that there is always the presence of psychological undertones. In your case, it just does not let you question the status quo.


I don't find this forum boring. I 'resented' arguing - which led you to believe as having smashed by arguments to smithereens. In any case, I thought you were starting to find ME boring.

Ever considered entering a verbiage contest?


Very, very true.


Your writing communicates illiteracy, not carelessness.


How illuminating! Aren't you the clever one?!

Now, back to your pointless points:
Companies should pay writers 75% of the order total.
1) Payment processor fees are 2.9%
2) The good companies carry the cost of transfering funds to their writers (transfer fees vary depending on whether it's Paypal, check, Western Union, wire, etc)

3) We pay salaries (admin, management, quality control, IT etc).
4) We carry the marketing costs
5) We carry the server, etc costs
Were we to follow your `ideology,' we would be in the red. Yet, you insist that you are right. As Shakespeare would say: "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."

Companies pay their writers `peanuts,' fine them from here to kingdom come and assign orders to the lowest bidder:
1) At $10+ (sometimes hitting $30 during the high season), the good companies do not pay their writers peanuts. The calibre they hire would not accept `peanuts.'
2) No respectable company `fines' its writers.
3) Apart from RWC, who else has a bidding system? (don't come back with EB, iF, Guru and Elance as they are entirely different)

With regards to this thread, you sought to cast a shadow of doubt on a paticular company's nationality. Your evidence was a sentence which you thought indicative of ESL writing:

1) The word you put forth as an example of ESL spelling was, as any literate person knows, British spelling
2) The sentence you used as an example was perfectly alright - no ESL writing patterns there

My comment was simple: criticise any company to your heart's content but do not judge any's use of English. You, as a very average ESL writer, are not qualified.

You are not a new member, by the way and you have an agenda here. Were you a new member, you would not have targeted WB and her supposed website from the get-go. Your agenda? I think we all know what it is by now - to portray all established companies as greedy capitalist entities which exploit their writers. You are doing so in order to argue for an alternative; you are in the process of launching that alternative and are trying to generate interest in, and support for, it.

Launch a zillion websites if you want and as long as you are an honest operator, none will attack you.

Please don't ever write for native speakers - you are not one of the good ESL writers but a very average one.

I guess you have adopted another pet. It seems to me that you have an inferiority complex when it comes to 'verbiage.' Anytime you feel threatened with someone's writing, you start to assume that they are lacking. Of course, now you will try to shower me with my previous quotes to prove me wrong.


I see that you like to dig into the past and make gigantic, baseless assumptions - a quality that displays your research skills. I also noticed that you like to incite your fellow supporters to take an interest and give you a helping hand in this argument. Despite the fact that I didn't 'target' anyone's website, you realize that that particular notion is buried deep within my previous posts, making it hard to find. So now you fabricate new stories. I have to think what other animal is as low as that. May be none are so low. You stand in your own class - much lower than second-class.


So now, the theme of your post is 'illiteracy.' Identifying similarities between you and wild animals really got your little heart aching. Thus you are forced to attempt inflicting similar pain. Well I am sorry if it hurt so bad, but unlike your claims against me, mine are true.

Digging back into your 'actual' past - unlike what you allege me of - I discovered many claims against you that I am sure are completely true. The following is what I found:

WRT/Melissa YOU UTTER CRY BABY! I have outargued you and shown you to be a liar and a libeller. I have pointed out how false your arguments are and how bad your English skills are.

IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT! You should be put down, you mad dog. (I guess that's the animal I was looking for.)

Now, back to your moronic assumptions.


Tell that to the person whose reply - unlike yours -was welcomed. He stated, "It is strange to me as well being from Texas, but that is the way the Brits do it." So,if any 'literate' person should have known, then I guess most, if not all Americans are illiterate according to you. And only in your jingoist haven do people actually care what is British and what is not. Just try to maintain control over your tiny island and stop assuming that people speak English in admiration of the Brits. British English in not universal by far, that 'any literate person' would care to know.


How many times do I have to tell you that I don't claim or ever claimed that it wasn't 'perfectly alright.' You tell me now, don't you have a 'thick head?'


Yes, the great patronizer... I did not 'criticise' any company 'to my heart's content.' Initially you agreed that everything I wrote - except the language part - was categorically a general inquiry. Now to you, it is being critical and that too of sentimental nature, without having any validity. So I guess you should be a good British guard and stand at the forefront of this forum stopping everyone who comes here, because everyone who comes here with a valid inquiry are being 'critical' to their 'heart's content.'


I guess you should open a school where you can 'criticize' to 'YOUR heart's content,' because that is all you seem to constantly take refuge in.


Now I am suddenly a writer in your mind while earlier on you thanked God that I was not a writer. Can't you make up your mind. I am sure any newcomer who reads this posts, does not see me as a "ESL writer" or an "average one" or even a good EFL writer. Only in your depraved mind does it seem to you that it is relevant at all. As I had already pointed out, you have only one refuge, which is being a writer. So before I or anyone else discovers that you are horrible at it, you start finger-pointing early on. That is what I discovered in other lengthy conversations you had and that is what you are attempting now. On top of that phobia, you have a jingoist complex blindly defending any essay website ending with '.uk."

You poor thing. Is that your best shot?


Work on your English language comprehension skills, please. I said I do not care if you criticise as long as your criticisms do not extend to the use of language. Criticise and question anythig about any company but, stay away from LANGUAGE.


Pls work on your English :)


Yes, I am sure friends and family tell you that your writing skills are wonderful. Unfortunately, they are wrong :)

While your English is ok, it is very ESL. Preposition mistakes, incorrect word usage, verbiage, run-ons, etc ... When that was pointed out to you, Centralpark (from the USA), you flew off the handle. You know why? Because you thought you could pass off as a native speaker, an American. You can't. You are a very average ESL writer. There are many excellent ESL writers here but, whether you like it or not, you are not one of them.

Do you know how all of this began? Simply because I pointed out that you are not in a position to comment on the English language. Criticise anything else but, until you master the language, don't comment on it.

I am not the one who needs to take a shot in that direction. It has already been taken, as I pointed out, and you must be very familiar with being in that seat.


Let's start with yours first. If you can somehow remember from just a few posts ago, you accused me of calling you a 'hyena' as an insult. To you, it was uncalled for. This is what you quoted from my statements:


Now, in that very same post, you said the following:


So I stated as a reply how 'smashing' my arguments to 'smithereens' is what can be characterized as a hyena's ability. This is what I stated in reply:


But then, how do your 'English comprehension skills' match up? Let's look at your reply to figure that out. You replied to my reply:


So the metaphoric depiction that should be clear to a 5th grader, was way above your head. You thought that I was 'illuminating' you as to what hyenas do. And I was being the 'clever one.' I certainly was not trying to be the 'clever one.' But you certainly proved to be the 'stupid one.'


Again with 'criticism?' Why don't you have it posted on the front page of this forum that any discussion here will be considered a criticism. And who are are to care or not care? Is anyone here obligated to ask you whether you care what they have to say? Are you some sort of an animal, through the mouth of which everyone should pass their conversations, and post what comes out of the back end? If so, then please make it public.


Notwithstanding the concept of 'criticism,' I am hard-pressed to understand what right have you been granted, leading you to assume to tell others to stay away from LANGUAGE. None. You know that, but what can you do? You need to defend your motherland mindlessly - even when there is no offense meant.


Maybe you should start chanting it before you go to sleep soon. You will have wonderful dreams of how great an Englishwoman you are ... correcting others with your 'hard-truths.'


I see my 'Brit' comments made YOU 'fly off the handle.'


Are you trying to tell me or are trying to convince yourself? You are monotonously repeating yourself. Then again, that's all you have been doing throughout your posts.


So you perceived that you are distancing many 'ESL writers' with your comments, and now you have to win them over by categorizing them as 'average' and 'excellent.' Also start coming up with other classes, because I will end up offending you to the point, that you will soon start chanting that I am way beneath the below-average ESL writers.



Yes goddess, I should eat any fruit I want, except the fruit of 'LANGUAGE.' Then you won't hassle me out of this forum garden.

ranking companies- how will you rank this company

Every company I know would publish or resell an essay that was stolen (ie. chargebacked or refunded due to dubious claims) and in this case the company was right to do that.

I'm looking at the UK Dissertation Network website at the minute, UK address, Companies House certificate etc. Are there any threads on here which cover this group please? It looks genuine but a couple of things concern me a little and I'd like to look at them more closely. Anything on here please?

Also, could I ask, is the information in the history of the forum still current for Master Papers or have they improved in the last couple of years please?

Hi Polly,

Master Papers = Ukrainian fraudsters

If you have any questions regarding the company, you need to get in touch with us directly.

No - MP still pays peanuts and has a writer fining system in place.

As for whose threads to follow - WritersBeware. She gives it straight and that is the ONLY REASON why people attack her here. They don't want to be exposed and that is precisely what she does. Follow her threads and you won't, as a writer, get scammed.

Ah thank you! I'll have a full read through this. Exactly what I was searching for. I'm not sure how this was bumped up via another thread, but I appreciate it.

I appreciate the feedback regarding MP too from both of you.

Only apply if you are willing to work for per page rates which range from $4-8 (on average); expose yourself to an unethical writer fining system; and deal with really idiotic admin (not to mention Alexei - the owner). It is too much of a hassle. Don't put yourself through it.

Polly - for PhD writers (if they can verify they degrees) - most legits pay $9-20+ per page. And you, as a writer, are never fined, are always paid your dues, and are not subjected to endless revision requests which often deviate from the original instructions provided.

Personally speaking - I would recommend that you `try' the companies out first. Some (the ones whom we should rightfully call the industry's founders - SNR, CP, etc), enjoy an unblemished reputation.

In the UK (and whatever else any may claim) - the leading company is AA. Many have `lifted' its slogan and dishonestly proclaim themselves the leading providers - not true.

What I'm saying here is that there is no need for you to get discouraged - there are countless `iffy' companies out there but there are also some EXCELLENT ones.

Thank you WRT, for a really constructive reply. I'm researching so much before applying to any because I really don't wish to send my certificates, name, details, cv etc to a scam company and have them able to hold this information on their computers. In the UK we have Data Protection, and a similar system in the USA, but there would probably be nothing to prevent a Ukraine scam set-up taking those details and carrying out professional identity theft.

Maybe I'm too cynical.

Or maybe not. After some of the things I have read on here this last couple of days I believe caution to be the better approach. Thank you again for the reply

Waste of time or ??

Ok Ive had enough , What the hell is the Deal with This Website::
: The Dissertation Network - A Division Of Urgent PhD Thesis Ltd
Company Incorporation No 6643- ??
IS this a bad writing site or what ?
The person in charge is unresponsive, does anyone have any recommendations??

Dissertation Network Scam or not

I dont know why people merge this topic as Ive skimmed threw the 3 years of information and man do people get way off topic!! I just want to know if The Dissertation Network is a good site or not? Ive been paying lots of money to them and am not happy with the research at first it was ok but now none of papers I order are useful!!What should I do?

You should look for other reputable companies/writers. Simple. However, personally, I don't think the Urgent Thesis is a scam.

It would be nice if you share with us some fact-based evidence so that we also learn about the scam this company is up to.

Dray - order number NOW. Either that or confirm what I know: you are a liar.

Thousands of dollars?!
Unsatisfied?!
Yet, you kept placing order after order with the company?

Are you insane or, quite simply, a very transparent liar?