The biggest problem here is writers posting as students requesting services

and then engage in long conversations with "each other". Shows some people really have too much time on their hands and no orders.

All I see is fighting between the writers, but where are the reliable writers??? I have been looking for computer science writers with good references without any results

that's a tough subject. you might try posting an add on essaychat.

I did and all I got was a few emails from unknown individuals without any references. What to do then? When all you know is an email address :)

that's sort of how this industry works; just because someone doesn't have references doesn't necessarily mean they are a scammer. what i would recommend is to either go through an established company, or to break the project down into installments so you can track the progress without putting out too much money up front.

Because there are so many or the majority are scammers in this business, I think the serious writers should perhaps get paid after indicates the work. And I guess that a good writer has always references if he/she are not new in the business

No it is not. It is a well known fact that both essaychat and essayscam are set up for the sole purpose of promoting certain companies and their writers. Decent independent writers are constantly harassed and s*h*a*t upon by paid shills and company reps. The distrust and paranoia are intentionally created to herd maximum number of students towards specific companies and their writers.

That fills me with mirth.

Not a single company will work with you without getting their payment first. The references are completely irrelevant. Scammers can produces many references and "writing samples". The best way to go is to place a small order, see the quality and go from there. If you are lucky to find a good writer, think twice before switching the teams.

yeah i agree with this

Well thats what I'm looking for, I want to place a smal order and it's only a 1000 words essay.. I can write the essay myself but the reason why I'm looking is for my final project which will be 8000 words at least..... So any serious writer who is experienced in computer science is welcome to contact me

This is right. I do not like to do references, because most people who use essay services would rather keep it quiet. On the other hand, a scammer might well give you 8 or 10 glowing references ... from his brother, roommate, and several cousins, for all anyone knows.

This makes no sense at all. No essay company would ever do anything to promote any of its writers individually because every project and every customer that we get as freelancers is a lost customer to any company we write for. As far as "harassment" goes, all anybody has to do is check through posts on this forum and essaychat to see that the writers you've accused of being associated with these website (like ProfessorVerb and me) have never once initiated any kind of attack against any other writer or company. We've always admitted what companies we also write for as company writers and we just respond to threads and posts on the exact topic of those discussions. Meanwhile, we have to defend ourselves continually against ridiculous accusations from competitors whose only method of "competition" is trying to trash any writer who seems to be somewhat successful at this profession. You're one of those accusers despite the fact that my only comment about your original S/N here ("ESLinUSA") was totally supportive of any ESL who does not try to pretend not to be ESL. Those of us who compete strictly on the basis of the quality of our work never trash other writers and routinely refer customers to other trustworthy writers when we're overbooked or for work outside of our areas.

True, it does not make any sense...unless you are only posing as a writer but in reality you are a company rep scouting for orders. You just cast a wide net, some reps say they work for a company, some pretend to be freelance writers but work for the same company. No one actually sees you doing any writing, so you can say whatever, not like it can be independently verified. But it is in your best interests to vilify independent writers like me, because we are indeed your direct competition. We can do the same (and often better job) for less.

You even say this on your website: "If desired, I will also refer you to one of the larger commercial sites whose honesty and business practices I can vouch for personally and assist you to place any order that I cannot handle myself. There is no charge for this because I hope you will always run future projects by me first."

So you're suggesting that none of the other writers for whom I've vouched here previously (or I) is really a freelance writer at all but we're all just company reps all posing here as freelance writers. That's some conspiracy theory there. If that were the case, why would I have chosen to use the exact same S/N here that I've always used as a company writer and repeatedly mentioned that here instead of just choosing a different S/N? Granted, I can't prove to you that I'm really a company writer, but if your theory is that I'm here just "posing" as a writer who's really trolling for customers for an essay company, why would I admit to writing for the company in the first place if I were trying to hide any association with them?

Furthermore, there's ample evidence here that I was also a writer for an entirely different company, in the form of a very long and very contentious thread about a payment dispute with the owner of that company. For your theory to be true, either all those companies would have to really be the same company or I'm simultaneously an owner or rep of those two entirely different companies. Anybody who cares to do the research can check to see if there's any possible way that those two business entities (the one I got in trouble here for defending and the one with which I had a bitter payment dispute) are related in any way. (Hint: It's pretty easy to confirm that they aren't.)


Then, why would I ever have complimented your other S/N "ESLinUSA" for your honesty in your first post under that S/N? And I have (still) never "vilified" you or any other writer or company. I have, strictly in my own defense, ridiculed a few lying idiots who do nothing here but attack and lie about other good writers and me, but I have never otherwise "vilified" any other writer. I've also ridiculed a few posters who claim to be "writers" because anybody who speaks English can tell that they're delusional to refer to themselves as writers, at least in the English language.


Right. I don't leave people twisting in the wind just because I can't take their particular assignments; I try to refer them to one of about 4 other (competing) writers I trust 100% or to one of the companies that I've always admitted writing for so they don't get ripped off by any scam companies...and I try to help them phrase their orders in ways that will help them get what they need from the company. There's nothing nefarious about that, either: I'm just hoping that they'll come back to me and always give me the first look at any future project to reciprocate for my helping them and I specifically ask them to do that.

How are you with that whole NASA really landing on the Moon thing?

Guys, whether you're company reps or freelance writers, what really matters is HONESTY and the QUALITY of the work produced, at least to me! Also, I don't see why Writer_456 is aggressive towards everyone even new members like me.. -_- FYI, "FreelanceWriter" is an invaluable asset to this website, truly I would never have signed up on this website if I hadn't read his posts. And I can tell from other members' posts that I am not alone in this. The fact that he's a member of this community in and of itself is a great blessing for other writers in one way or another, 'cause, think about it, though I signed up to contact him and wanted him to help me with my assignment, I ended up working with other two writers. One of them was someone I met on EssayChat. Thank goodness, he was awesome! The other was someone FreelanceWriter kindly referred me to!

So, Writer_456, despite the fact that you left an insensible comment on one of my threads yesterday, and despite the fact that I still can't figure out why in the bloody hell you did so, I still would not mind working with you in the future if you're fluent in ENglish and experienced in subjects like psychology, literature, or politics!

Well I have to admit that i contacted FreelanceWriter to help me with a computer science essay and he honestly answered me that it was above his level in the topic area and wished me a good luck...

Thank you. I'd have referred you to someone too, but I don't know anybody else who handles that level of CS assignments. I've written 25 and 50-pg papers on IT security topics, too; just nothing that technical. Unfortunately, both of you will soon be accused of being paid shills for me or relatives of mine by the same few vindictive lowlifes who regularly attack every legitimate writer here and do it even more boldy (and always annonymously, of course) on essaychat.

LOL. Does it get tiring talking to yourself like that? Funny that while you expose others with multiple user names, because you can see their IPs (recent example BrokenStudent/kimlala), miraculously it never happens with shills' multiple personalities. Wonder why? Oh, wait.....right.

hehe Dude how do you want me to prove you that I'm not a false profil?

There's a secret handshake.


I can verify that I compete with this writer for work at the same company (and he beats me to it all the time). He is also requested frequently, and has been for many years.

Any chance the Moderator could please confirm that I'm not associated with either of these posters?

I understand even that won't satisfy Writer_456 because I might also be the Moderator, too; but I mean just for the benefit of sane forum members. Do you think I'm also PV, now?


Thanks, PV. Appreciate it.

I haven't really seen any evidence of writers using multiple identities to promote their services on this forum. That is against forum rules and I know for a fact that all new accounts are checked by the admin for possible dual or multiple identities. Those users automatically get banned from using the system. If there are any persons who successfully do this, then evidence should be presented to the admin so that they can further improve their security checks when it comes to new sign ups.

Students are not talking to themselves these days. We get an ESL company up once in a while. Those people are totally incapable of creating new usernames and talking to themselves just to keep their thread active. The only active and working writer posting here is Freelancewriter. He makes sure to regularly advertise his services at every opportunity and every turn. When backed into a corner by @a1writer, he calls upon his retired or forum inactive friends for defense back-up. They don't stay for long after defending him though. I think they have more important things to spend their time on. The defense is obviously done as a favor to him. That said, I do not believe that the accusation posed here was ever proven nor does it still continue to happen at this forum.

I pay for my advertisement here and I demonstrate my basic ability to write the kind of coherent grammatically correct English that my clients hope to find from a writer, simply by posting in only a fraction of the number of threads that you post in, and without ever resurrecting decade-old threads, which is something for which users get suspended or banned at many online forums. Exactly how else do I "advertise my services at every opportunity and turn" that seems to bother you so much?


Neither of you has ever "backed me into a corner." He posts completely fabricated false accusations about me here that I respond to appropriately and with objective evidence that cannot have been "faked." You used to post very different types of comments about me before I, apparently, committed the mortal sin of once mentioning that your English writing, which I said was EXCELLENT, in that same post, is, nevertheless, still recognizable as ESL writing. Since then, you have teamed up with him to try to harm my excellent long-term reputation here, despite the fact that the Random/Off-Topic area is littered with his insults directed at you, according to the age-old maxim "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

These are the kinds of thing that you posted about me before I accidentally insulted your English without intending to:


essayscam.org/forum/gt/good-paper-1546/#msg85332


essayscam.org/forum/es/genuine-companies-outsource-esl-writers-personal-473/#msg85609

Since I accidentally insulted your English writing skills, this is the kind of thing you now post about me at any conceivable excuse:


The point is that they do show up to weigh in on my behalf. Just think about what it means (in any industry, but especially in one as competitive and sometimes hostile and ruthless among competitors as this one) that any service provider's active and retired competitors would actually take the time and make the effort to defend him against obviously untrue malicious defamation. You want to know why they came back here just to refute the outrageous lies about me? You already provided the answer to that question in your first quote above, before you reversed yourself completely as part of a very petty response to a comment that wasn't even intended as an insult and that actually complimented your written English: Because my work and my competition style earned the respect and admiration of some of my strongest legitimate competitors. That's why.