Why Is the [ENGLISH] Research Industry Infested with Foreign-Based Companies?

After reading many threads on this forum I conclude the essay writing and research industry is infested with international-based companies. How could it be? Students require model essays in ENGLISH and most of them still order from Ukrainian or Pakistani 'companies'? I have nothing against these nations, but it's getting ridiculous :)

How the genuine American/Canadian or British companies allowed that to happen? Where was the turning point when it all started, it's not like such companies popped up overnight, is it.

Why are the foreign websites better in some aspects (obviously they must be better at something since they have clients)? Maybe American companies lacked something that the international companies delivered? Or it's the customer who is uninformed?

Is there a way to turn it back so that students get a WELL-WRITTEN essay written by native English speakers?

Aver, while I agree with your sentiments generally, the poor quality of your own English leads me to question exactly what your angle is here.

All that the foreign companies have that American and British companies don't is more manpower, because it comes cheaper. The ability to have someone answering phones and chat 24 hours a day isn't as feasible with legitimate companies.

Also, these companies simply lie on their websites. But something tells me you already know this.

I"m an ESL writer [actually programmer] myself and I don't compete with anyone here [I may compete if you're into offshore programming;], but this striked me today. There are few American companies that would compete in writing essays in French or Chinese after all :p

That is all. If customers were aware that they are being intentionally deceived by foreign fraudsters, they would never order. That is a cold, hard fact.

Aver,

Sadly, this is a recurring issue. However, like many are aware, this whole situation could be eliminated just by simply researching and possibly staying with one specific academic writer, not a company (useless it's a reliable and legit one). That is just my two cents though.

-Nichole

Well Aver to tell you the truth.. most of the orders that are placed on such sites are from non--English speaking students. I know a lot of Arabs and other students from other nationalities to order these services. Naturally they themselves are ESL students therefore it will become obvious for their teachers/professors if suddenly they start writing in perfect english. I have completed many orders where i was given specific instructions to take care of this fact because buyer was non-native.

Secondly, it is simple and pure myth created by WB and Company who attempted to make English as the life blood of this industry. Which is actually wrong. It is a proven fact that writers from India and Pakistan are more competent and at the same time less expensive. Naturally the companies offering such services hire such writers and pass on this benefit to their buyers and that is why customers prefer such services. UK based companies charge you thousands of pounds to get an essay for you but at the other hand non-UK and US companies charge lot less.

Lastly, this forum is a systematic effort by few (WB, PHEELYKS and every other crook) to attract customers to their sites so that they can robe them thousands of dollars.. English is secondary because if a native speaker does not know how to write on any Finance topic no matter how good english he writes you will fail because it is the knowledge of subject and your ability to provide cogent arguments and reasons that make a perfect piece of writing and not just the English..

This forum is operated by the criminal gang of *********. These criminals employ both third class US students and meritorious ESL writers.

Where is this fact proven, exactly?

I would imagine that people in India and Pakistan whose English is better than that of native speakers could find themselves much more lucrative careers as translators/interpreters or simply in the business world as useful company assets. As someone living in the US (and born here), this industry provides more money and flexibility than most jobs someone could get while earning a degree--that's why I'm here.


While I constantly admit to working for a specific company, I also constantly refrain from recommending this company precisely because it is against the rules. In fact, if you and your gang of scamming morons didn't mention the company by name all the time, I wouldn't mention it at all--I only do so when defending the company or myself, never in a promotional manner.


This argument has been put forth many times before and is still just as stupid as ever. Of course, one has to ave knowledge in the subject area, but you could be the most brilliant economist in the world and still be unable to express yourself in English. When customers need an paper in English, they are going to want someone who knows how to write well in English.

Customers are welcome to post here and disagree with me, if they do.

No meritorious economist is unable to express himself in English like you idiot. Rather his communication level may not be good but compromising, idiot PHP Phyleeks.

A thesaurus cannot correct your grammar and syntax issues, Fracturegang, and in the end it only makes you sound even stupider. Your use of meritorious for "good" or "excellent" is forced and awkward, and your use of "compromising" is unclear at best.

Who says native english speaking writers are better than ESL writers? got proofs?

World is not idiot like you!! they know the value of your knowledge and technical skills not your English Speaking Skills...... China is the fastest growing country in the world with some of the excellent business minds but their English speaking skills are as good as your ability to speak Mandarin.... Aren't they working in more lucrative businesses despite having poor English writing and speaking skills? It is just a myth and self created argument by you and your company to give a wrong impression. You are actually forcing customers to look for more expensive alternatives just for your own benefits...

Yes. Thanks for providing it.


That has absolutely no correlation to the ESSAY industry. Are you intentionally trying to be stupid or does it just come naturally to you? Stop comparing apples to oranges, dips-i*.

Guys listen please..... only WB is genius... all others are stupids..... I just have one request for all of you..... pray together that ESL fear get out of WB's mind otherwise we will soon find her in some mental rehabilitation facility..


I always knew that you are probably the dumbest creature on the face of earth... China is the largest exporter to US and if we apply your argument...... Chinese and Americans would have been communicating in sign language because written and spoken English only applies in Essay Industry..............


Your arguments is probably verifiable evidence? right you dumb As*


I know i made a typo error here

It's not just a typo, and it's not just here. Your English might be passable for you to conduct business in China, but it doesn't qualify you to write essays. You're a moron, and should probably go away now.

You are backing off... same old tricky.... when you can't argue better run away.....

Fraud from "Researcher"

[Moved from]: Hypocrisy of some companies regarding their clients...

Here is the deal. The 'American' company owners and supporters on this forum (especially the trio: WritersBeware, pheelyks, FreelunchWriter) don't want the essay writing business to be 'infested' with foreign company owners (ie. their direct competition). Fair enough.

But why - at the same time - they steal the foreign clients by advertising they are happy to work with clients all around the world? Hey, they even use automatic translators to translate their site in dozens of different languages. Does the money of the 'uneducated ESL foreigners' don't smell bad to them? If they throw dirt and dirty names at their foreign competition, how else they think about equally 'foreign' clients? They take their money and call them names behind their backs.

Want the 'foreign' companies to move from 'your background' - get the $#$#$# from the foreign customers first.

PS> Before the three stooges start to brag about how more educated and eloquent the native English writers are, mind that most 'foreign companies' use exactly the same native speakers you use. And those who are not native English speakers understand the foreign culture, cultural connotation, and ESL language usage of the client more than your native speaker do. So foreign clients are much better off to go with a good ESL writer than a native writer who knows all the facts about the world from visiting the Disney world.

you should visit, too!

None of us ever claimed this. Foreign companies are more than welcome in this industry. What I (I refuse to speak for anyone else) object to is the fact that many foreign companies LIE and pretend to be US/UK companies hiring US/UK writers, misrepresenting themselves to their customers. This is the only problem I have with these competitors. There's some site run openly by Indians living in India and hiring Indian writers--customers know what they are getting, and that's just fine (I can't remember the company's name, but I remember seeing it a few months ago--there's a thread about it on the forum somewhere).


This isn't stealing, this is fair competition--"fair" because the customers know what they are getting.


When have I called a foreign customer names? I can't recall WB or FW doing so, either, but I KNOW that I haven't.


I really have no idea what you're trying to say here. Go get less stupid, then come back and try again.


Ummmm.....no? Foreign companies tend to pay their writers less than half of what US/UK companies pay (having worked for a foreign competitor for a very short period, I know this for a fact--at least when it comes to certain companies). Why would I (or any other native writer employed by a US/UK company) work at two different places when one of them offers half the pay (plus a lot of ridiculous fines, automatic rewrite deadlines, etc)?

That's a load of BS, Yuri. Based purely on your average payout per page, you can't afford their writers.


What kind of pathetic loser quotes his own post in which he originally fabricated a conversation?

You wonder why I refer to you as a "filthy liar"?


Exactly!

On average, your IQ may be high but when you reply to some posts it's below the idiocy scale. Same with pay - average says nothing. Some writers get 300% of the average and still the overall average will still be average. The more writers, the less influence on the overall average despite the spikes.


You also hire ESL writers but hide this little fact from the public (unless the public is a potential writer reading a dedicated page).


Do you want to CHALLENGE ME!!? Where is your PROOF!??

You are a perfect example of an UNQUALIFIED, ESL writer. You compound and perpetuate your company's scam by thinking that you are qualified to judge the writing skills of other, ESL writers. That's how you screw customers, Yuri.


Who is "you," exactly?

It's not all about writing. It's about research and ideas mostly (UNLESS you admit your clients submit essays as their own).

What is the value of a grammar error free essay when the ideas make little sense, bring nothing new, and are framed by the narrow-mind of the writer who is fed by the propaganda media? Many "unqualified, ESL writers" have more fresh and adequate ideas and much better analytical skills than the Disneyland types. Just compare who is on boards of the biggest US companies or company founders - Chinese, Russian, British, Indian, Arab, European names, not American ones. ESL-types rule your country. And smart students follow the leaders, not the followers or losers.


You, Jason, the owner of an "American" essay writing company.

LMAO!, Yuri! Where's your proof? Do you have ANY at all? Seriously-any? Don't tell me that you are basing your ignorant-ass accusation on that map "evidence" that you discovered long ago. F'ng moron.


Do you really want to go there, moron? OK, fine. Name the CEO, President, and Vice President of every "Fortune 500" company in the US.



You should lose your posting privileges for that display of ignorance. Is this another one of your examples of ESL writers having "more fresh and adequate ideas and much better analytical skills" than native writers? Do all of your ESL writers think that native Brits are ESL speakers?

umbelievable..if it's alright I'll ask you a question..why is it so hard for you brit guys to understand people from all countries need to make money from business? After all there are so many non-Italian or partly Italian companies in Italy (that's were I'm from) so why is it a big issue if non-British companies make business in the UK (I have lived and worked in the UK for several years, oh, I love the UK). I hope it's not because people have a problem with foreigners since the UK prides itself in being so open-minded and multicultural!! There is an obvious pride problem which is really a non-issue in so far as a non-British reader and researcher somehow cannot be conceived of as writing essays fro British people..well...if those British students were really that good at what they're doing and can write so well why can't they write their essays themselves? This is partly why I tend not to accept work which looks too much like uni essays..but I do understand some people work and study and sometimes need a hand. Nevertheless I fail to recognize the obdurate and narrowminded idea that someone who wasn't born in the UK could somehow not be a good enough writer, reader, or teacher for that matter. I am all these things and proudly so, and I am Italian. Yours for professional accuracy, regards, Raffaella Cantillo

ps my only true flaw is I am an honest person, I'm not bothered by who might be reading my posts by the way:) oh, and typos aren't errors! I remember my old supervisor always making a difference there:)) bye for now!

You're wither deliberately missing the point or you're slower than I thought. It has nothing to do with where you were born, but rather the level of proficiency you have when it comes to writing in English. You do not have the proficiency to write for people that want non-ESL work, plain and simple. by all means, make money in the UK, make money in the US, make money wherever you want. Be sure to tell your customers that they'll be purchasing work that is clearly ESL, and there's no problem.

My name is a Borat. Can I s-i* your house?


As far as professional, paid writing in the English language is concerned, no, you're not. Sorry.


Indeed, typos are not "errors" in the same way that knowledge-based mistakes or incorrect statements are "errors." A typo is nothing more than a physical and/or mental slip that the typer would immediately recognize and correct upon review, thereby rendering third-party intervention/tutoring unnecessary.

well i have written several pieces of research and completed various translations and research tasks on top of my job as EFL teacher (secondary schools and im sure you know it's not an easy job). I do take your point re: ESL but the company i've been writing for knows of course i'm not a native speaker/writer - and they seem quite happy with that. So I honestly don't see how someone who doesn't know me at all could be saying i'm not good enough professionally. I am very interested in getting an inkling of your faster-than-life reasoning- seen as I am so slow, as you seem to notice, please enlighten me. I hope to find an explanation tomorrow, on my return from work. I am truly interested and, if you wish, professionally concerned. Very best regards, Raffaella Cantillo

Raffaella, I do admire your restraint. I tip my cap. I can also tell that you are an honest person.


Your posts are riddled with things that are not necessarily "errors," but stand out as "peculiar" and unnatural to native English speakers. The fact that you do not recognize these things supports my position and proves my point.


The issue has nothing to do with whether or not the company is "happy" with you. The issue has everything to do with whether or not the company lies about (and/or intentionally withholds) your skills to prospective customers.

"The issue has nothing to do with whether or not the company is "happy" with you. The issue has everything to do with whether or not the company lies about (and/or intentionally withholds) your skills to prospective customers".

Hello, and thank you for making your point clearer. I still get the impression you are saying I couldn't be writing those briefs because I'm not a native speaker. To me that's discriminatory as - to memory - there is no part of the freelancer contract I signed which states you have to be a native speaker in order to complete an assignment. Now, perhaps there are people who don't know the difference between academic essay writing and colloquial English (although I would have problems about such claims since I am quite fluent in my spoken English too). However, what would interest me much more professionally are some examples of what you term 'non-errors' or slight cross language disturbances (which is what I, as a linguist, would call them). According to your previous post native speakers perceive a difference which - as you put it - are an immediate indication that whoever is writing is a non-native. If you allow me, the reason I'm querying that is that, at Reading University, where I conducted an MPhil Research higher degree course - I was taught that academic writing skills have no bearing at all with you native/non-native command of the English language. It's all to do with structuring your essay and argument - but it's nothing to do with where you're from. Thank you once again for your time, sincerely, Raffaella Cantillo

translators where? they all speak English, dummy. it's part of their ex-colonial educational system. did you fail international history as well as grammar? no wonder you can only make it as a hack.


WB, racist windbag, is in over his head-- again-- and backpedaling appropriately.

First, Buford, your need to quote a comment that is almost two years old just to start an argument is pathetic.

Second, not everyone in these countries speaks English, and certainly not fluently enough to make high-level discussions possible (or at least efficient). Translators are often used between individuals who each speak the same language at different levels of familiarity/proficiency to make things go faster and to ensure greater levels of mutual understanding (these translators would need to be fully fluent in both languages, of course).

Third, asking a question and then answering it yourself based on an assumption isn't the same thing as logical progression or evidence. It isn't surprising that the only way you can even try to make a point is by lying and insulting your opponents, but it is disappointing.

you're talking out of your a$5.

Actually, I'm typing with my fingers. If you want examples of places that use translators despite almost everyone speaking English, how about the UN? Other government summits? Companies that translate technical manuals?

Anytime anyone knows more than you, your response is simply to try and discredit that knowledge without any rational argument or proof. Your accusing me of being a "hack" would be laughable if it wasn't so boring.

Well, I do not want to care what Pheelyks and his psycho fans believe in. It seems they forgot the fact that some of the so called 'English-based writing companies' employ ESL-Writers. Besides, all the legit writing companies do not just wake up one morning and start picking writers randomly across the world, do they? They take the applicants through some serious screening test. I want to believe English test is mandatory. By passing the basic English test,you would have proven you can write.

I would agree with my friend Researcher on this: It's not all about English, but you must also be knowledgeable and experienced enough in a given subject to produce high quality paper. You must also be very knowledgeable regarding the academic writing styles and formats. Without any experience in the APA,MLA, ASA, Harvard, Chicago, Oxford etc. your perfect English will not count much in an academic writing industry. You will agree with me that not every EFL writer can solve all the problems in calculus or Physics. Think, Pheelys, think! To be honest, I am so disappointed in you.

The thing is, you and others that write at your level couldn't pass the tests (actually just a review of work samples) used by legitimate companies that only offer papers in fluent English, meaning only companies that explicitly offer ESL services or simply lie to their customers will hire you.

Once again, I have no problem with ESL writers/companies. My only problem is when they lie about what they can offer.


Well, duh.


Anyone of average intelligence and ten minutes to spare can learn how to properly format in-text citations and a reference page for any of these styles. Capabilities in these areas are nothing to brag about.


Yes, I will agree with you on that. I fail to see what that has to do with anything, though.

1. What does race have to do with language?

2. How am I "in over my head and backpedaling," exactly?

3. Are you asserting that my statement is false?

As usual, I won't hold my breath waiting for you to provide legitimate, intelligent responses to any of my questions.

WB:

#1 nothing-- and my presumption that you're racist has nothing to do with that question. you bait people by calling them "cave dwellars (sic)," and harbor cartoonish, disgusting stereotypes about Kenyans, Pakistanis, and Ukrainians. who knows why? maybe it's because many of those nationalities' representatives here own companies that are competing with yours. I also presume that since you've been to zero of these countries, and aren't friends with any of their citizens personally, this makes them particularly attractive targets for your out-group stereotyping. let me know if I'm wrong.

#2 Rafaella, whom you first pigeonholed as a target for your anti-ESL taunts, turned out to be a much more cogent and thoughtful writer than you assumed. the ensuing pwnage resulted in a significant downscale of your assertions about Raf's language usage. I've seen you backpedal so many times that I believe I'm particularly attuned to it. your "attack dog" persona, being based on skewed assumptions (see #1), is often pwned, and whimpers. if you prefer, I can call it "whimpering" instead of "backpedaling."

#3 I could care less. s/he's more articulate than you are, but Raf is also not setting him/herself up as an arbiter of English language usage here, and instead, seems to be following the normal rules of message board/email grammar, which are quite last and foose. you and pheelyks have built yourself glass houses; Raf has not.


such a shame!

More ignorance, stupidity, and cluelessness . . . .

I'll tear apart your responses in depth when I return from collecting rent checks from tenants at one of my rental properties. Don't worry-I'll be back soon to skewer you once again.

thanks for the fascinating excuse-- er-- reply.