Why protect American students when you know majority of clients are from ESL countries?

MeoKhan, I am going to affectionately refer to your forum spam as 'hurling turnips' for your convenience. :P You are the only one who is taking this little 'debate' seriously enough to actually send 5 replies in order to try and make a coherent point. Trust me, it still failed. ^_^ I'd also like to point out that the only one who assumes they have some kind of moral high ground here is you. Maybe this is what you should focus on 'fine-tuning' instead of flailing about like a bitter, unlikeable idiot on the forum. Stop hurling turnips at me just because you're butthurt and obsessed with winning an internet argument. :)

This reply of you has allegations, baseless taunts, and imperatives. It simply tells me you have nothing in your basket of argument. I knew that.

If I don't use swear words, it doesn't mean I am saying I have high moral values. Or if someone uses swear words, it also doesn't mean they have a bad character. It's only that I don't use 'em. That's it.

LOLWUT. O.o


ROFL I can't understand a word of this. Let's just let the posts speak for themselves. :D


Good to know that one of us understands wtf you're talking about. ^_^

Language please.

I don't honestly care if you swear or not. Again, I never condemned you. I was referring to your pompous 'oh look at me I'm so much better than you, dumb newb - you're clearly incompetent, stop posting' attitude, and spamming replies to all of my posts even when I was agreeing with you that the companies should be honest. :P Lol. I still have nothing against you, but if you're going to go out of your way to make snide remarks about everything I say, you can expect the same - and then some. And I'll swear all I fu**-n want. Should we move on? ^_^

I wonder who told this imbecile that I am a Kenyan blood!? If you want to know I have authority over disoriented ESL writers like you, then continue being a sucker! Why am I even faulting you for your nasty confusions!?

Mind rephrasing this show of your anger, please?

Stay out of my discourse with Pheelyk, for your own safety. You do not want to be called a jerk, do you?

You sound like a mafia don. You're starting to scare me. :-D. It's up to me to stay in or out. You cannot do anything in this.

I hope you won't kill me for intrusion.

No, Meo! Don't do it! He'll call you a jerk if you do!


What gives you the impression pheelyks is an ESL writer, anyway, apart from a few typos you've picked up on over a couple of threads? O.o

He is fond of portraying himself as one. Moreover,he doesn't even write good English like some of the ESL writers do. I think your damn question is answered?

That would be lying, so no, not really....


Still waiting on any specific instance of this....


No, damn it!

What do you gain by displaying my details, bastard!? Try distinguishing between these two statements: A Kenyan, and an arrogant Kenyan. Do they mean the same thing to you? I am not what Pheelyke called me, so get this fact into your empty skull before you call me names that only suit you best.

You have made so many posts, but I don't see anything substantial in them. Mind telling me what makes you stay here?

We are not protecting American students. We are protecting the academic future of all students in general. As an academic writer, I do not discriminate between an American and an ESL student. Whoever needs my help, regardless of origin or academic status, will receive my help. These people did not ask to be in the predicament they are in. Yet they found themselves in it so the least I can do is help them out. After all, they are paying for the help anyway.

An American student asks me to help him with time management troubles by having me write some, if not all of his academic papers because he is working part time or caring for an ailing relative. I don't even need to know that much information, just that he is asking for my help. Based upon our agreed upon contract, he will receive the help that he needs. I will protect his academic performance by picking up his slack.

An ESL student comes to me and asks me to write his papers because he cannot understand what he has to do to complete it. That is understandable given his situation. I also understand that he needs to make the grade in order to pass his class. Just because he isn't capable of writing the paper doesn't mean he doesn't understand the class, it just means he is not capable of writing it himself. We settle on a price and he gets the help he needs to pass the classes where he is doing poorly. Mission accomplished. His academic future is assured. What's wrong with that?

We academically protect any student who asks for help. That is the assurance that an academic writer gives all his student clients and there is nothing wrong with that.

I don't know what sparked the original post, but I can only assume the poster had a negative experience with an American writer, perhaps. I can't speak for others, but I don't discriminate based on where a student is located. Needing help and being willing to seek help is what matters. Not everyone is a strong writer while others have absolutely no time to handle all the assignments given due to other circumstances (i.e. family, work, illness). I am always happy to hear from students whether American or ESL. @WriteReview is on target when saying, "Just because he isn't capable of writing the paper doesn't mean he doesn't understand the class, it just means he is not capable of writing it himself."

If an ESL college student ends up in an American university, he is going to need all the help that he can get. Passing the TOEFL and getting admitted into a university are two different things. One is simply a test, the other, requires academic and intellectual brawn. If he wants to stay in school in the US, then he needs professional writing help. Who are we to deny them that academic assistance? It isn't a matter of protecting the student, it is a matter of helping the student stay in his dream school and achieve the bright future he envisions for himself.

The entire premise of this thread is ridiculous, because it implies that the concern about ripoffs only matters to the extent it affects American (and other NES) customers. If the implication is that only American and British students care that their providers aren't ESL writers masquerading as NES writers, that's also a specious argument. It might be true that some ESL clients prefer lower-level writing; but in my 20 years of experience, even the vast majority of ESL clients specifically prefer higher-level NES writing, even if it's way above their own writing level. In fact, one of the reasons that many of them choose to spend so much on the best NES writers is, precisely, that they want the best possible product that they can find.

I believe that when the writer or the company protects the ESL student, they protect the American counterparts at the same time. It is a given. What applies to one, applies to all. It cannot be selectively applied. Both students use academic writing services at some point and both are protected by the TOS of each company or independent writer. They get equal protection because they have equal status as students, regardless of their English skills. They are both enrolled in an English speaking school, regardless of the country. So yes, American students will be protected even though it is the ESL students that will have more of a benefit from the TOS indications.

As I explained in this other thread, customers should never rely on anything in the TOS, without independent evidence that the company is legit, in the first place, because scam companies (and writers) can say anything in those TOS. Scam companies use their TOS as just another method of tricking customers into trusting them, when, in reality, they don't actually comply with the promises and "guarantees" in their own TOS. Website TOS mean absolutely nothing unless you already know that the company is legit. https://essayscam.org/forum/gt/company-report-plagiarism-2674/

More broadly, all anybody has to do is actually read the TOS of most essay companies -- even some legit companies -- to see that almost nothing in their TOS actually protects customers. Almost everything in their TOS is designed to protect the company against customer complaints, typically, by burying, in the fine print, all sorts of disclaimers, qualifications, and strict limitations of their obligations to customers. Two of the most common examples are: (1) Prohibiting customers from submitting the work for credit and from doing anything with the work besides "reading" and "studying" it and properly "citing" it as a reference in the customer's submitted work; and (2) Retaining exclusive copyright, forbidding the customer from owning the work that the customer paid for, and even going so far as to reserving the right of the company to contact the customer's school to "protect the company's copyright" if they suspect that the student submitted the work for credit.

In some cases, the customer-facing website guarantees the grade sought and paid for by the customer; meanwhile, their TOS prohibit submission of the work for credit while simultaneously requiring "proof" (in the form of a graded project) that the work failed to meet the grade "guaranteed." This is a classic "heads I win/tails you lose situation, because they won't issue any refund without "proof" that the work didn't meet the promised grade, but they'll deny any refund when the proof of the grade that they require also establishes that the customer violated the TOS by submitting it for credit. Likewise, if the customer rewrites the work substantially before submitting it, the company will deny any refund request, because the customer "changed" the work provided by the company.