If you think logically... no essay company is a scam!

.... or all companies is a scam. Depends how you look at it. Here is why:

1. Most companies share a similar pool of writers. Not happens that one writer has only one freelancer writing account.

2. (in result) Both "scam" and "non-scam" companies have both good and bad writers.

3. (conclusion) If you are a client then you have the same chances to be scammed by a "legitimat" vs. "non-legitimate" company. It is up to your chance or your lucky star if you have a good writer or bad writer.

Good luck!

No, they don't.


Huh?


Again, no--at least not in the long-term. Both types of companies have better and worse writers, but truly good writers do not stay with scam companies for very long (they quit), just like truly bad writers do not stay with good companies very long (they get fired). As a whole, scam companies have a lot of bad writers and no or very few good writers at any one time, while the exact reverse is true of non-scam companies.


The real conclusion here is that you're both desperate and border-line retarded.

These that don't admit it are not telling the truth.


Writers have multiple accounts with multiple companies.


If they get paid on time they have no reason to go else where. Your company you advertise here pays $10 per page, same other companies pay the same or more for native speakers.

One more time => Think Logically.

most writers would not risk working for one company. so, a similar pool of writers.
scammers would still need the good writers to keep the company running though.

If you mean that most companies have multiple consumer-end websites, that's true. What you claimed, however, was that the same or similar pools of writers are shared by all companies in the industry, and this is just flat untrue.


Possibly. This has nothing to do with the point you're making, however; good companies are still going to fire bad writers and good writers are still going to stop working for bad companies.


Yup. The reason I left UVO is because they couldn't see the sense in ensuring full and timely payment for one of their only decent writers. They tried to scam me, so I left. Their loss.


That's the absolute minimum. I make twice that and more during the busy season.

If company pays on time it is good company. Your UVO experience is not the same any more for new writers. But you also are the proof of my point - you worked for UVO so are working other good writers.

This doesn't follow logically. Basically, this statement is saying, "because most writers work for more than one company, most writers work for the same companies." This doesn't make any sense, given the huge number of companies and writers in this industry. Two companies could each have 1,000 writers without any overlap. I have had accounts with a total of five companies during my time in this industry, and this leaves a whole lot of companies that I've never worked for. I also don't work for those of the five that I discovered to be scam companies; they don't have a "pool of writers" that is "similar" in any way to the groups of writers that work for legitimate companies.


I've already addressed this. Scam companies might luck into a good writer every now and then, but because good writers leave while bad writers stay, overall you have an exponentially better chance of getting a good writer at a good company--not to mention a chance at real revisions and/or a refund when you get the very rare bad writer.


UVO can kiss my A. A bunch of incompetent, arrogant a-holes that paid writers less than half of what they charged, falsified plagiarism reports, and used any excuse possible not to pay. Unless someone else bought the company, fired everyone that was there, and started over from the ground up there's no way anyone half decent would want to to work for you.

All "scam companies" had to do is to start to pay on time. That's what most of them did already. Good writers have no reason to leave any more. End of story.

Wow, while I usually detest Pheelyks (and I quote) "a-hole-y" and rude attitude, it is not hard to understand how one could become enraged past the point of reason if they spent enough time on this forum.

Stu4, your argument makes no sense at all... Yes, although some illegitimate companies might share a infinitesimal overlap pool of writers with legitimate companies, they are still a SCAM. The writer is, quite possibly, the least of your problems If it is an illegitimate company it could:

A. Resell your paper, and thus have it end up in a plagiarizing database.

B. Hold your product, and try to negotiate a higher rate.

C. Not offer a refund if the paper is late.

Etcetcetc

From the amount that I have seen in this, "industry" it appears that legitimate companies have policies and guidelines in place to protect both writers and clients.

Seriously...WHAT?

I don't understand what you tried to say, sorry.

*Pheelyks'


I'm enraged by points of reason, and to a reasonable amount. I don't think there's a whole lot of rage in my posts at all, actually--the fact that I've picked your writing apart doesn't mean I'm angry, just smarter than you. The fact that you have to assign emotional value to this is evidence of your insecurity, not my "rage."


*an


This needs fixing in several ways


Huh?


These needs spaces, commas, and if you want to be really technical periods between them, as: "Etc., etc., etc."


there shouldn't be a comma here


Better pay? Not getting fined? Not getting stuck with orders they don't want? Not being forced to do "revisions" when a customer's complaints have nothing to do with the original order, probably as an excuse for the owners to charge more without paying more? Yeah, no reason at all...

Even scam company don't force you do anything unless for a new pay. Maybe they realized ur a pushover.

Bulls-i*. I would be assigned "revisions" and then have pay withheld if I refused to complete them, or have revisions set with 4hr deadlines in the middle of the night, so I would wake up to fines on an order I completed the first time. The third time this happened was the last time.

You know how you conduct yourself, and you can lie about it here all you want but we all see the types of writers that work at companies like yours.

If you failed to comply to the client order dont count on it that client wont notice. Clinet has a deadline and wont wait long for you to fix your mistakes.

I didn't "fail to comply," ftard. My favorite was the customer who ordered a two page paper "about technology and society." That was the ENTIRE description/instruction set. I asked a few questions that got no response, wrote a paper, then received a long angry letter because I hadn't included several different specific technological innovations that were "obviously" supposed to be part of the paper. Who did UVO side with? The customer (at least, they told me they would be giving a refund if I didn't do a free rewrite). I didn't get paid, I doubt the customer got a refund, and I posted the essay on as many websites as I could so. UVO lost probably their best writer over a twenty-six bucks.

Freelancers need to have basic customer service and politeness skill to find themselves in the free market. If you wrote to your customer:

"Hey, fkard! Where are additional instructions, dumb!"

then you risk you dont get answer and dont get paid. You got what you deserved. Customer was right here not to pay you.

I only address known ftards like yourself in this manner. I give customers the benefit of the doubt, and asked very politely if they had any additional specifications. Of course, you probably already guessed that and are now grasping at straws.


The customer did pay. UVO didn't pass the money along, screwing both the writer and the customer. This is, of course, how these businesses operate, which you know because you operate one.

I like your style Pheelyks.


Within reason? You are obviously a talented writer-- if your posts hold any indication of your abilities. However, when you say things like "c bag" "a-holey" etc., it becomes hard to take you seriously. I mean if you are here to help people (which you say you have done) then what is the necessity of saying things like "f-tard". It is a waste of typing...I mean, seriously, you are feeding the animals. There will always be ESL unqualified writers, illogical arguments, and outright lies.

Just something to think on from this unqualified speck ;)

Don't take me seriously then. I think editor75 and others here that are far worse are more than deserving of such epithets.


There isn't a necessity, but I like being able to express myself on a forum meant for this expressive type of action. If you can come up with more pleasant yet equally descriptive and colorful terms, I'm all ears.


That should be a question mark, and the quote marks go outside the final punctuation, technically speaking.


Yes, and I will continue to call the first and the people that post the latter two f-tards and **** bags. No everything I write on this forum has a pragmatic purpose, and the forum itself is intended primarily for entertainment value anyway. I find these words entertaining, so there you are.


The toilet is something to think on. This is something (though not much of something) to think about.

pheelyks is a pale snoot who keeps himself pasted to a screen 24-7. he's a joke who brags about how much money he makes doing kids' homework for them, picks at people's grammar because he's unintelligent, and can't get a job writing anything with his name on it. it's no wonder that he's a little bit cranky, sometimes.


we just want you to be a better, nicer person, son. but if you insist on living in this kind of glass house, you might want to scribble your little lash-outs in Word first, because it has grammar checker and all. good luck!

Ah, Buford. Posting without any sense of logic or reality as usual, I see. Why exactly are you here again?

pheelyks
"Again, no--at least not in the long-term. Both types of companies have better and worse writers, but truly good writers do not stay with scam companies for very long (they quit), just like truly bad writers do not stay with good companies very long (they get fired). As a whole, scam companies have a lot of bad writers and no or very few good writers at any one time, while the exact reverse is true of non-scam companies."

Absolutely agree

I'm glad you agree. Now stop spamming--every single thread on the forum does not need a near-useless comment from you.

Wow! Reading that post really made my head hurt. Somehow, I managed to soldier on and make sense of the grammar nightmare that was posted. I have to say though, that there is some truth to his claims.

Specially about the "similar pool of writers". Since most writers starting out in this business prefer to be company affiliated in order to have a better chance at receiving jobs, it is not uncommon for a single writer to have multiple accounts at various companies. There is no worry about double employment because the companies know who their writers are and do not hire them under a different company if they already have an existing account under a sister company. That is why the companies share both the "good" and "bad" writers pool.

That is why the chances of getting a decent and a disastrous writer are equal. However, I disagree with the idea that the bad writers get to stay on at the legitimate companies. When the writer cannot keep up with the company standard, that account is normally deactivated after a period of time due to negative writer ratings.

If you consider that the writing companies and academic writers are seen as members of an academic cheating pool, then one may consider that both parties are party to a "scam". However, the definition of a scam is that of a fraudulent business scheme, then not all academic writing companies or independent academic writers are running a scam. Not all of them are swindlers. There are those who truly want to deliver great writing services to the clients in order to earn the money being paid to them. Those are the writers and companies who do not run a scam. While it is a bit difficult to spot a scam right off the bat, it is possible to identify the con being run down the road and put a stop to it. It is not appropriate for the OP to accuse one or the other being a (non) scam since the circumstances regarding the business dealings are not known to that person.

I would love to see the evidence supporting the claim that most academic writing companies share the same pool of writers. After over 15 years in this business, working with multiple research services in many different capacities, I can say for sure that the better companies do not share the same pool of writers with -- shall we say, less reputable ones. In my current capacity as coordinator for an university library, I am responsible to "hire" freelancers, and let me tell you, I won't work with anyone who can't support our high standards. I would hire many more editors if I could; but I won't compromise quality.

Speaking of expert writers, they will not work for scam sites, mostly because the rate of pay is not commensurate with their skills. Why would an excellent freelance writer work for a site that would pay her $5-$10 a page less than the best services do? The answer is simple: she wouldn't.

Because the first premise of this assertion is false, we can discard the rest of the argument. The bottom line is this. The academic writing industry is an industry like any other. The high end places offer the highest quality, at the highest prices, and they can do this by working with the best professionals around. High end academic writing companies are no exception.

You're responding to someone who can barely compose even a single sentence in grammatically-correct English, who spent years here viciously attacking and lying about legitimate writers as his only competition "strategy" and who essentially admits to running a scam company in his post. Obviously, his premise is ridiculous: scam companies take money and, in return, provide either nothing at all or nothing remotely usable because it's just a bunch of copied/pasted gibberish from "writers" who don't write English any better than he does.

Obviously, legit companies don't share writer pools (or anything else) with their scam counterparts. However, some of the largest legit companies do use a single writer pool for a dozen or more companies or "affiliates" that don't openly disclose the fact that all those companies are really just a single parent company. As a writer for one of them, I routinely saw projects that had been ordered from different companies because customers sometimes included their order page along with their project materials. Sometimes, customers placed orders that actually said things along the lines of "I hope you guys are better than _______ company, because I already ordered this project from ______ and it was horrible." Those customers obviously had no clue that their new order simply got posted on the exact same assignment board for all of the exact same writers and that the only difference was the customer-facing website and the transaction recipient.

Academic writing writers, who are not signed up with a company are now considered a legitimate part of the gig economy. If the writer is doing an honest job, delivers on the client requirements, and pays his taxes based on his income, then the company isn't a scam. He works for himself, he is honest, and he contributes to the economy of his country. That means, his work isn't a scam. However, a writing company, that can be based out of Siberia for all I know, could definitely be considered a scam. Their writers, regardless of what pool they belong to are inferior and should never be unleashed on unsuspecting students. Those are the true scam writers who attach themselves to scam companies. Yep. There are actual scam writers and companies out there so students, beware!