threatening a customer or not

You only got bachelor degree. You have no master degree or PhD degree.

#1 you squealed like the pig you are on a customer, and reported them to their university. whether the customer was annoying or not, you dealt with them like a vindictive, immature, tattling little sissy.

#2 no company, or other independent writer, should ever do this to a customer. it's basically the only ethical convenant there is in this cess-pit of an industry, and it is something to cling to.

#3 you're a fat-ass, lazy, badly-educated, sarcastic, smarmy pr*ck, and you write like one.

It's not about annoying. They broke the law in numerous ways. You're still ignoring facts and refusing to answer any of the substantive points raised.


Again, your own level of ethical corruption is clouding your view of the industry. Most of use "cling to" the ethical imperative to actually do work when we're paid. We also do our best for each assignment we take, are honest and straightforward with our clients, etc. There are all kinds of ethical covenants. I agree that contacting a customer's university is extreme, but so is extortion, and so is publicly bragging about breaking the law. one more time: address the issues, or fu*- off.


Is this the part where you start bragging about how much sex you have again? Because that's what typically happens when you become so intellectually frustrated that you revert to your junior high insults.

you don't have a high road to take anymore, vigilante. you've burned that bridge.

Repeating you outraged condemnations while refusing to address the real issues at stake doesn't make your argument stronger. It just makes you obstinate in your ignorance and your judgmental assery.

peddler, why you have no master or phd degree?

What's your point, stu4?

Point is that you are uneducated and have only bachelor degree. You cannot debate with smarter then you.

Where to begin...

Education has nothing to do with intelligence. The degree one has earned has somewhat more to do with one's education, but the two are still not directly proportional. Finally, not only can people debate with others that are smarter, but you do it all the time. Like right now.

I've heard purchasing degrees is big business for Ukrainian universities--how many Ph.D.s do you have?

I have technical degree you have no idea about. You are mere bachelor degree that takes 3 years to complete. Who you want to debate? Editor has at least master. You go back to school.

If you'd like to have an actual debate I would be more than happy to accomodate you. This means we're going to have to rely on things like logic and evidence rather than invective and conjecture, though--do you really think you're up for it?

Start with language. How many foreign language you know? ZERO.

You are ZERO with 3 year bachelor degree.

Go back to school.

That's not a debate, that's a weird contest. You know more languages than I do--bravo. I know English far better than you, and am probably more well versed in world history, philosophy, and several other areas. This has nothing to do with whether or not we are well matched for a debate--that's all down to critical thinking skills.

How about, "Are companies ethically obligated to divulge the country from which they operate?" as a debate topic?

It matters to client. You are just 3 year bachelor degree holder. Who want to use you as writer?


Dont divulge the topic and start new one.

Actually, I earned two bachelor's degrees in three years, precisely because I'm very good at being a student. Lots of people want me as a writer.


Please look up "divulge."

We don't currently have a topic of debate. We have you saying I'm uneducated (an untrue statement) and that no one wants to hire me because I don't have a master's degree (also an untrue statement). What do you think the topic of our debate is?

Two bachelor degree is like one - you dont get to a level of advanced writing and research. You are not qualified to write anything more then simple GRE or ISLT essays for ESL student. Go back to school.


Thats enough to disqualify for any advance writing.

You don't know what you're talking about, having never attended an accredited university.


Clearly a higher degree doesn't make you capable of writing, so why should we take it as a given that not having a more advanced degree disqualifies one?

I didnt attended like you - I studied hard. Attend != Study.


I dont write for money so why there is no compare here.

You should charge no more than $6-8 per page with your bachelor degree. If you charge more, you rip student off. If you had master or phd you can charge 20-100% more. Until then - go back to school and dont pretend you are good writer. Unless you talk to unsuspecting ESL high school student from foreign country.

Again, you;re making assumptions about my study habits when you have no knowledge of them. I thought you said you wanted a real debate--remember what I said about avoiding conjecture?


That's not the comparison I'm trying to make. You insist that no one without a master's degree is a truly qualified writer. I'm saying that a master's degree clearly doesn't make one a qualified writer--i.e. has nothing to do with whether or not one is qualified--so how could someone automatically be unqualified just by not having one?


I make five times that and turn down work regularly. Thanks for the business advice, though.

stop trying to change the subject, squealer. and while you're shooting down conjecture, how about your conjecture that you didn't ruin that student's life?

In case you hadn't noticed, stu4 actually changed the subject by challenging me to a debate. You tend to get pissy when people but into conversations here without being invited, so maybe you should take your own advice? Or at least red what's been going on in the thread since you were last here repeating the same bulls-i* ad nauseam?

By the way, making a negative conjecture, such as, "I have no evidence whatsoever that x occurred, therefore I will make the conjecture that x did not occur" is actually very reasonable from a rational perspective. You have decided to make the conjecture that x did occur, without any evidence whatsoever, and that's illogical.

stu didn't "challenge you to a debate," you hand-puppet. he just called out your lack of education. and what I'm "pissy" (what a girly word to use... did you get that from your wife, along with the health insurance?) about is that you squealed on your customer to their university. you can repeat, "you didn't read the thread," all you want, cry-baby. I read the thread. you're no victim.

sometimes customers behave poorly, and demand refunds. you give them a refund and move on. you don't rat them out, and get them thrown out of school. just the click of your pudgy fingers was all it took-- I bet if you had had to walk or ride a bike to the actual university, you wouldn't have done it. creep. informant.

Well, he said I can't debate because I don't have advanced enough degrees, and when I asked if he wanted to try an actual debate he was more than agreeable. Interpret it how you want.


Unlike "twee" and "smarmy"? And seriously, when did words become gendered in your world? Is it because you're a little punk b**-h who's completely insecure in his own gender identity/sexuality?


Huh?


I've explained quite clearly how the facts add up to the customer breaking the law in numerous ways that could have led to damage for me, and that were purposefully intended by the customer to cause such damage. If you want to refute my construct of events, you need to use concrete facts to explain why I'm wrong, not just keep making the same pissy and unfounded assertions.


Maybe you do, but then you have plenty of money you didn't work for because you're an outright thief. We work very differently--I work for every dollar I earn, and then I keep it.


You're right. I don't rat people out when they ask for a refund. That's not what happened in this situation, either. You claim to have read the thread, which means you are deliberately misrepresenting facts. For shame, Buford, for shame.


Do you know this happened? I certainly don't know this happened. The customer certainly didn't post anything about this happening, and he definitely seems the type to have come after me with more empty threats and b**-hing (he's your kind of guy!) if this had been the case. I know facts aren't your friend, but you should try to get better acquainted.

Thief. Liar. Punk.

shame on you, lazy squealer. if it were extortion, it would be better. that's the worst part. the way you tell it, it's just you, being a dick for revenge.

move on. or, if you up the stakes to that level, where you're potentially going to ruin the customer's life, at least extort them first, because you're already going all the way.

how does it feel to be responsible for the potential ruin of another's life, for no good reason except your petty revenge?

I like how you keep changing your statements of fact to slowly match reality as you feel you can't get away with just making s-i* up any more. It's almost like you're developing a conscience.

Hey, congrats on adding "potentially" and "potential." I feel embarrassed for you. I realize that you were left with no choice after being completely unable to prove your stupid accusation, but it's still quite pathetic.

I just know one thing: Rusty just jumps in into any discussion, drags a nonsense talk for as long as he is badly disgraced, and then vanishes for a long time. He returns and repeats the same thing over and over.

that's right, WB, Pheelyks potentially ruined a customer's life. I'm sorry that you're embarrassed, but I'm glad that you understand.

as for you, Meo, you're one to talk about jumping into a conversation. I know that in your mind, you probably see yourself joining your heroes in battle. in reality, you're responding very late, with a personal attack, in a thread in which you've said nothing relevant. so let me offer you this chance, Meo, to look like you're responding, late, but on-topic. what do you think of the practice of reporting problem customers to their universities? feel free to take the time to check your response for idiomatic usage, and thanks in advance for the comic relief.

Has anyone used WritePass? Is this legit? Is this good quality?


ROFLMAO!

On topic:

1.) Pheelyks has a point. Since his real identity is unprotected, he is in the United States, and the student did expose his involvement in the project, he may be sued by the student's school for helping the student cheat. His action of "squealing" on the student is an attempt to show the school that he had no idea that the student would actually submit the paper for credit.

2.) There are no ethical covenants in this business.

3.) This business is as cutthroat as ever. Nice move, rusty.

4.) A bachelor's/master's degree is a great qualification in this industry for a writer who actually took his education seriously. I can honestly say that without my master's degree, I would not be able to write "model" phD dissertations effectively.

5.) Education is highly correlated with intelligence. This implies that educational attainment and intelligence are "proportional." However, obtaining higher education does not make one more intelligent. Rather, people who are intelligent have a higher propensity to complete graduate and postgraduate degrees. Nonetheless, this means that one is more likely to find an intelligent master's degree holder than an intelligent bachelor's degree holder when randomly selecting a single sample from each population.

Guess what, pheelyks was trying to insult me for not having a higher education DEGREE.


Proposed requirement for complaints: ORDER NUMBER

By the way, I have a 4-year Bachelor's degree, and have qualified CFA level I and II. This year I will complete level III. I think you will remain poorly educated and unintelligent as always.

It's embarrassing that it took you a week to ratchet your rhetoric down until it became the truth.


I disagree with you there. It might be shady, but there are honest operators that hold the same ethical covenants as any other business--the basic covenants involved in keeping up your end of an established contract.


Really? I mean, I'm sure it could be useful in a specific knowledge area, but after reading many dissertations and working on a fair amount, I really don't see how a master's would be especially helpful in the general writing process.


While not disputing the general logic, I'd like to see a source.


I wasn't trying to insult you, but rather responding to your direct comment that I was unqualified to write academic-level papers. In that instance, the fact that I had completed an academic program (at a well-respected school and with a 4.0, by the way) was diretcly relevant, as was questioning your qualifications. The fact that you are either misunderstood this or are trying to misrepresent it means you are either stupid or a liar--possibly both.

In no way did I suggest that pheelyks did anything wrong. I simply commented on your calculated wording change.


Your little "DEGREE" wouldn't mean s-i* in the US or UK. In all likelihood, US/UK educational institutions, government agencies, and employers wouldn't recognize it.

It doesn't mean that.


You are quite stupid, I guess. Don't you know about CFA certification? I am doing CFA in Michigan, and they recognized my Bachelor's degree. Of course, they loved 3.75 CGPA. Isn't it a good news? I think you need some study on that.


Calm down, pheelyk. I am neither stupid nor a liar. You may be called by those names anyway.

You thought I might not have a higher education degree, and others think you are not able to write on different topics on higher academic level with two useless English degrees. I think you shouldn't have any problem accepting the fact.

Why are you getting angry now?

I really don't need to e un-calm to suggest that you are stupid and/or a liar. It's like saying it might be raining outside.


...which is an objective fact that I have not questioned since you insisted you have one, despite the lack of evidence...


...which is a subjective assessment you could cite ample evidence to support based on my writing here, which you and everyone else making the assertion has failed to do.

Buying a degree from DeVry doesn't make you qualified.

So, what ethical perspective do you think this industry adheres to? Is it consequentialism, deontology, hedonism? I'm not being an a** here, I'm just pointing out that a general rule in the business is not an "ethical covenant." Drug pushers and protection gangs also make it a point to satisfy their "contracts."

What do you mean by "general writing process?" If you mean grammar and spelling then you're right, a master's won't help you there.


It's a direct response to your statement that intelligence and education are not related/proportional. By "not disputing" it, are you admitting that you were wrong?

Firkowska-Mankiewicz, A. (2011). Adult Careers: Does Childhood IQ Predict Later Life Outcome? Journal of Policy and Practice in Intellectual Disabilities, 8(1): 1-9.

"indicate that the IQ score at age 13 could be viewed as a relatively good indicator for future life outcomes, defined in terms of attained education, occupational status, and material well being."

Lynn, R., and Mikk, J. (2007). National differences in intelligence and educational attainment. Intelligence, 35(2): 115-121.

"They suggest that national differences in educational attainment may be attributable to differences in IQ, or alternatively that national IQs and in educational attainment are both indicators of the mental ability of national populations."


Actually, a degree from a CFA accredited institution (there are 35 in the Asia-Pacific) is recognized by worldwide.

That's the context in which it was being used here. The ethical guidelines that businesses follow could be justified by any of the larger ethical perspectives--abiding by the principles of honesty and fulfilling contracts makes good business sense (utilitarianism), is an essential duty (deontology), leads to greater wealth over the long term (hedonism). Whether you want to call dealing honestly and openly with customers an "ethical covenant" or not, that's what Buford was talking about.


I mean these things as well as organizational skills, research abilities, critical thinking, etc. A Ph.D. dissertation is longer and more involved than any other piece of academic work (generally speaking), but it depends on the same basic skill sets as undergraduate and master's work, and while practice certainly helps to refine/enhance these talents further instruction doesn't necessarily do so.


Here's what I actually said:


As in, "education does not affect intelligence." I never said education doesn't reflect intelligence, I said it doesn't influence it. If my initial statement sounds too broad taken out of context, I apologize. Is there a reason you're picking a fight about this?

Do you have any degree? I think, no!

I am waiting for the evidence~~~

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Back to ignoring the facts again, I see. There was no soda spill to begin with, the customer didn't complain but rather lied, and the "brake lines were cut" (a ridiculous analogy, but OK) because the customer was using his car to break all sorts of speed limits and claiming it was because of the illegal way I souped up his engine.

I'm not picking a fight, I'm just being objective. Your statement did not reflect what you wanted it to mean. Stating that education and intelligence do not have anything to do with one another and are "not directly proportional" unequivocally implies a denial of the existence of a correlation between the two variables.


I agree. Those skills and abilities should be acquired much earlier than during one's undertaking of a graduate degree. However, what I meant by a graduate/postgraduate degree significantly adding to a writer's qualifications is that it provides crucial technical background on a variety of topics that graduate/postgraduate students are expected to know and be able to apply in their coursework and research writing. For example, knowing the difference between correlation and causality and being able to clearly articulate a statement about either. I believe that if you had taken up a graduate-level course on research design, you would have known enough the first time around to state that you didn't think education affected intelligence, instead of stating that they were not directly proportional.


Ok, then I agree. The "ethical covenant" of keeping up one's end of a bargain does exist in this industry, as it does in nearly every other industry in the world, legal or otherwise.