The Whole Idea - helping people cheat through writing their papers?

What amazes me about this site is the moral outrage of a bunch of people who are involved in an industry designed to help people cheat.

If you've bought an essay and got ripped off, great, you deserve it. Do the work yourself, you lazy fool.

If you've written an essay for someone and got ripped off, again, great. You're helping people cheat. No-one really believes students buy these essays for "research" purposes.

This is like drug addicts complaining 'cause someone sold them some bad dope. When people buy essays and get results they don't deserve, they end up in jobs they can't do. Society as a whole suffers from unqualified workers who paid their way through school.

And then some blowhard turns up screaming and ranting (I think you know who I mean) and if you just step back and look at yourselves you'll see what a horrible, furtive, disreputable bunch you all are. If you were real writers, you'd be able to sell your wares somewhere else.

I once wrote a paper for a friend. He paid me. I didn't do it online, it was someone I knew. I still feel bad about doing it. I regret it. But at least I'm not part of some hideous industry full of parasites and leeches.

I only found this site by chance and then couldn't stop reading. In terms of moral outrage and wounded pride, it's a car crash. Some of the egos on here are stunning.

May I suggest students should write their own ******* essays and so-called "writers" on here get a more reputable job, like cleaning up dog **** or something.

What our self-proclaimed noblest poster has to say against this is:


^_^

Ha!

I was in a bad mood yesterday, I didn't mean to be rude, but I stand by what I wrote.

The other thing that shocks me on this site is when people with appalling spelling and punctuation come on here asking about writing jobs, e.g. "I am want to write essay please tel me were will pay me good". Jesus, do these people actually get writing jobs?

I've seen some clearly quite racist stuff written on this forum, but at the end of the day if you're selling yourself as a writer of academic essays in the English language, you need to have a certain standard of English. Of course, I've got Indian friends whose written and spoken English is better than a lot of English people can manage...

Absolutely no offense taken, dude. I write other people's homework for money and have enough balls to admit it. ^_^


Exactly.

Students don't cheat! But some teachers cheat.

More than three quarters of the 56 schools investigated cheated on a 2009 standardized state test, with 178 educators implicated, including 38 principals. Eighty-two teachers confessed to erasing students' answers and correcting tests. The report says widespread cheating has occurred since at least 2001 and that orders to cheat came from the top.

usnews.com/education/blogs/high-school-notes/2011/07/07/educators-implicated-in-atlanta-cheating-scandal

What's new in this piece of information? This has happened in every single area/field of this world and in every single part of this planet, ever since humans have been known to exist.

However, this is also universally true that both good and bad people are 2 parts of this world; so while looking at one part, we should not forget the other part. This is called critical thinking.

Now acting righteously is your responsibility too. So please stop surprising us with the same centuries old stuff.

Atlanta-I'm not at all surprised.

relaaax, everybody's got a place in this "industry"

As one not responsible for necro in this thread, let me say that at one of the schools where I worked, I was ordered to "cheat" many times-- just goes to show you...

You've got some pretty harsh words for the writers here who are just trying to eke out a living. Granted it is not a lucrative and impressive job to some people and yes, I have known people to turn up their ugly noses at me when I tell them what I used to do for a living, the point is, the academic writers are delivering a needed service in the academic industry. The writers may be part of an underground group within a grey area of the academic world but that does not change the fact that without their help, some students would be booted out of college. Sure they may turn in the model paper for grades. That's their prerogative, they bought it after all. Who are you to say they are lazy? Who can say that they don't actually learn from reading the papers created for them? That is, I am assuming that they actually have to at least read the paper in case they are called upon in class to explain what they wrote. No. I do not consider what the academic writers do as cheating. It is an unspoken academic assistance that has been around for eons. Remember the class bully who forced you to write his homework? Yeah. That was cheating. Paying someone to write your paper for you? That's considered a paid service.

Writers only produce model papers for students. Ideally, a student should review the model answer produced by the writer and then conduct more research to write their final paper.

Look, there are some people who find it difficult to learn. Since they cannot learn effectively in the classroom, they require additional help outside of the classroom to be able to meet their class requirements. A writing service can be viewed simply as a tutorial services for these students. Tutorial services are not against the law, the educators do not frown upon students who receive such help, and parents themselves are guilty of completing whole activities and written projects for their children. All of these should be considered cheating but aren't.

Therefore, helping students by writing their papers for them should never be considered cheating. It merely an assistive service offered by able writers to those who find that they are incapable of performing written tasks in class. It is not cheating to help a student pass in school. The student still does most of the heavy lifting when you consider the exams they need to pass, which help to prove that they wrote their own papers. So yeah, I stand by my belief that academic writers are not helping students cheat.

It's really none of my business whatsoever whether my clients actually use my work as a model for their own writing or choose to submit it for academic credit; but I'm not going to tie myself into a convoluted illogical knot to try to claim that it's "not cheating" if they choose to do the latter. I write whatever they order and once I deliver the project, my clients own the work and can do whatever they want to do with it.


I'm sorry, but "tutors" teach outside of class; they don't provide work that gets submitted by the student for a grade. If what you mean to say is that students who submit purchased essays for credit still learn in school if they study hard enough to do well on their in-class exams, and that doing well on in-class exams makes it much less likely that anybody would ever suspect that the student didn't write his own essays, I wouldn't disagree with either of those suggestions. However, to say that good performance on an in-class exam means that turning in an essay written by someone else "isn't" cheating on that assignment is just silly.

Also, I have no idea how you get from this


to this


especially as consecutive sentences.

This is fundamentally the mindset I have either. At the end of the day, it's all just work for writers. It doesn't matter to me how the clients wish to use the paper I've worked on. What's important is that they give me decent guidelines, show me that the work I am doing is truthfully beneficial for them, and just straight up pay me on time. Everything else is quite a useless discussion. (Although, admittedly, I'd love to have an open conversation about the situation)

I have had parents come to me asking for help with the papers of their children. I help them. I am paid to do so. It is an academic assistance role. It is not a cheater role. Academic writers don't help them cheat. We help the students "get by". Everyone knows that children these days can spend up to 14 hours in a school-like setting after their normal classes, just to help them stay ahead of their homework and other academic preparations. These activities all take a toll on the student's health. They need a break and yet, they cannot fall behind on their schoolwork. Parents often hire professionals like us to allow their children some downtime. It isn't cheating when you help ease the workload of a student. That is all we do as academic writers and we get paid for the time it takes us to do it. We get paid so the kids can relax a bit. No harm there. No cheating involved.