You've got that one wrong. I publicly confess that I have a chronic superirity complex and am a meglomaniac :)

Chacha, give it up! When you launch a website for professional writers (or recommend one), the very least you can do is make sure that the webcopy makes a bit of sense and is written in passable English. And do you think that I am going to believe, for one second, that the changes made in the webcopy (removal and rewriting) are nothing but a coincidence - not a reaction to the criticism posted here? Pity you removed the part about essaybrunch promising not to treat its customers as do the "industry giants who never pick your phone." The image of a giant picking up my phone made for a good laugh.

What is this about your being a group of "programmers, marketers, freelance writers as well as anthropologists"? How do anthropologists figure into this?

Chacha, please recall that in an earlier thread you asked about the feasibility of direct contact and WB, quite rightly, replied that it would not work as writers would take the clients away from the website. Lo and behold! What do I find on essaybrunch? "Our competitors do not offer you this facility because of the unknown fears that their writers may take away their clients." At least give WB credit for that one :) And I post that nonsensical part about donations and a couple of hours later the essaybrunch people make a failed attempt to correct it? All coincidence?????

While you are correcting the webcopy, please pay attention to the following
1) "Customer Singup"
2) "Writer Singup"
3) "Please provide a valid e-mail address - you will have to confirm it in order to register with EssayBrunch"
4) "EXPERIENCE A TRUELY NEW AND UNIQUE CONCEPT."
That's all I am going to give you ... you will have to read your webcopy yourself to pick out the countless other mistakes scattered all over. I'll give you a hint, though ... every single sentence up there needs to be rewritten.

About your asking if any of us know whom the other really is (and you singled out WB). We may not know one another's real-world identity but, yes, we know what we need to:

1) I have stated my identity and my connection with the industry
2) EW has stated his connection with the industry and named some of the sites he works for
3) As for WB (given that you singled her out), just read her threads and you'll know who she is ... But, just in case your English makes understanding her posts a bit too challenging, I'll give you a hint - she exposes liars and fraudsters through the provision of evidence.

Chacha ... honestly, give it up and do, please, change that godawful webcopy!

Chacha ... WB is the one who's pathetic here??????!!!!! I propose that you scurry along to that diner of yours and dance the chacha while frying up a couple of essays for your starving students .... they may even join you in a sing along.

1. I think WB meant "flog," not "flock" you.
2. Yes - I do agree that you probably are the best of what Essaywriters has now and know that you are really selling yourself short by staying on with them. But you have got to remember I know because I know and you cannot expect any to agree BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW.


Definitely not - only those who do not claim to be what they are not should be allowed to survive. If essaywriters.net were honest about its identity and its writers' qualifications, I would not have a problem with their being Ukranian. It is not American and British vs Ukranians and Pakistanis - it is honesty versus dishonesty. They promote themselves through blatant lies and, hence, can only be categorized as scum.


No, to a degree I agree. Yes, some of us keep our noses clean and do not lie about who we are, etc etc ... we treat both writers and customers fairly but, AT THE END OF THE DAY, we know that some students will present the model papers they purchased from us, as their own work. So, yes - we are enabling student fraud. I admit to that and I also admit to the fact that despite our disclamers and all that, I KNOW but shrug it off as student fraud not our fraud. Do I convince myself... No I don't. Despite that, our fraud (legit companies) is nothing compared to that which the industry gangsters have based their businesses upon. They are founded upon lies and deception and regularly cheat both writers and customers ...


You are the one who started it EW - so, in all honesty, this thread is something of a testament to your obsession with her :)

Completely true ... going after the Ukranians will be much less complicated. Certainly, gathering evidence, preparing a case, etc takes time but, enforcement will be simpler than with ***** (which was successful despite the jurisdiction complications).

Yuriy ... Alexei ... wake up! *****'s own lawyers withdrew. So what do you think your respective lawyers will do? Hang, disembowel, quarter and burn you?

New poll - whose got the better sense of humour? WB or EW? Read the posts above and like me, you'll give your vote to WB!

:) Only you could have come up with that! Love it. So where is Chacha now???

Yes - absolutely shocking! I know that many in this industry are plain dirty and believe that just because they are operating e-commerce entities, do not need to pay heed to any laws. But to this extent?! And why aren't the Ukranian gangsters taking notice? Their practices are just as despicable.

I agree with you - any who doubt that the fraudsters and scammers are going to have to face the music one day, only need read up on this case. The industry needs to be fumigated; ***** is out and the Ukranian gangs will soon go the same way if they don't shape up (I don't believe they ever will as they are pathological fraudsters).

Yes, I see your point. You want to see EW's average/standard work.

EW - Just PM your ID to WB. Why not?

WB - the *****, SNR case? It turns out that you were right. I just came across a full summary of the US case now. Apparently, what I had read via Westlaw was the Pakistani case:

Student Term Paper Website Brings a Lawsuit; Instead Gets Nailed With $700k Award Against It--***** v. Student Network Resources
By Eric Goldman

***** v. Student Network Resources, 2008 WL 4754907 (D. N.J. Oct. 22, 2008). The Justia page. *****'s initial complaint. A letter from defense counsel to the judge recapping some of the sad story.

I'm always fascinated when plaintiffs initiate a lawsuit but end up owing the defendants money. I understand that litigation inherently involves uncertainty about the outcomes. However, when the plaintiff ends up owing money, the plaintiffs appear to have made a major miscalculation. Certainly they should have just stayed home rather than mixing it up in court.

Today's case involves the apparently brutal and cutthroat (perhaps literally?) business of student term paper websites. You may recall that Google blacklisted all term paper websites from its AdWords program. I've also blogged on Blue Macellari's complaint against some term paper sites she thought had ripped her off (the case settled). The Turnitin lawsuit is also relevant.

The litigants in today's case are competitors in the student term paper business. *****, a Pakistan-based IT services company, initiated the lawsuit by alleging that SNR was trying to steer business away from ***** through defamatory statements at the home page and user forums of a website operated by SNR. The complaint cites some pretty strong allegations by the defendants beyond just selling bogus term papers, including purported accusations that the plaintiffs are a "crime syndicate," run a "prostitution ring" and threatened reporters with murder. [Note: I have received legal demands from ***** regarding this paragraph. To make sure there's no confusion, the last sentence refers to the allegations, all of which ***** has denied.]

The defendants fought back with counterclaims alleging that ***** was ripping off SNR by buying term papers and then republishing them through the ***** website. The defendants then sent a Rule 11 letter asserting that the complaint's allegations lacked merit. After the letter, plaintiff's counsel withdrew, saying "Dreier discovered information which, if known at the time the complaint was filed, would have caused Dreier to refuse to file the complaint in this matter on behalf of *****." This left ***** without counsel, and apparently it had difficulty finding new counsel because it asked the court if it could proceed pro se. The court predictably denied the lawsuit because companies can't appear pro se in court. As a result, the litigation went to default judgment on defendants' counterclaims.

In the Oct. 22 opinion, the court awards damages of $300k and attorneys' fees of $36k for the copyright infringements, plus regular damages of $2.5k and punitive damages of $350k under the NJ unfair competition act. All told, an award of nearly $700k to the defendants in a lawsuit that the plaintiffs should not have brought.

***** may have defaulted, in part, because it is pursuing a parallel lawsuit in Pakistan. Assuming it can win in its home court, it's still not clear how ***** can collect on a Pakistani judgment against the defendants. At the same time, it will be interesting to see if the defendants can get paid themselves.

blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2008/11/student_paper_w.htm

Fingers crossed the Ukranians will go the same way ...

I love your sense of humour :)

I know that this one wouldn't get by you!

What about it EW? List your subject areas and WB will post a topic for you on the forum, with a reasonable deadline. Once you've finished, just post it here and we'll 1) check it using turnitin and if it passes the plagiarism test 2) you select a panel of 2 judges from the forum (WB will be the third) and they will grade your work. The two you select, however, have to be native speakers ... You can do it so why not? It is the low season and really won't take up much of your time.

WB, what I find rather surprising is that EW admits that the Ukranians are fraudsters but then goes on to defend them. My question is simple, why would any legit company (as in one which intends to defraud neither writers nor customers) hide its REAL contact info and why, on earth, do they lie about nationality. Doesn't any of this underscore just how crooked their intentions really are? And the fact that many do it is really no excuse.

It is not free and does not hold a candle to performing a manual Google search which, as humble pointed out, is free. Furthermore, as long as one is paying, turnitin trumps ...

chacha - it is very clear that you are already associated with Essaybrunch and not, as you say "thinking of joining them." On the essaybay thread, you said:

"Essaybay will soon out of competition because of its serious stubbornness in not replying to any messages either from customers or their writers. They are not going to survive for too long even if they pay on time because there are lot of other qualitative issues which they need to address if they want to stay in the game... My serious to them would be to be serious if you are in the trade." You repeatedly warned that essay bay will soon be facing "tough competition." (Your apparent fixation of the word "serious" probably stems from the fact that few take you seriously). And then on an earlier thread you asked, "What if these sites offer a direct access to writers? i mean by displaying the phone numbers of their writers to the customers, they can virtually eliminate the need for having any customer service as customers can directly ring their writers, discuss the project, take latest updates on the status of their orders etc. any ideas on this? does this seems plausible?"

Shortly after, you just happen to stumble across essay brunch which claims to offer direct access and is a clone of essaybay ...

You will not be able to redirect writers and customers from essay bay to your site as it is a very pathetic attempt to clone essaybay and is full of spelling mistakes. No self-respecting writer would associate his/her name with anything so amateurish and no student would risk purchasing anything from that site. You should have invested a bit more time in revising your webcopy and exercised some creativity so not to come across as an amateurish copycat.

What is it with the name? "Brunch" ... do you even know what it means? And what is it with the request for donations? Why would any ever donate to that site? The request is expressed in a ludicrous way: "essaybrunch/donate.asp - Your little help can make a big difference in the lives of those who are committed towards improving their lives." I am not going to comment on the English as that is a lost cause but, please tell me why any would even want to contribute money to the betterment of the lifestyle of the essaybrunch people?

If essaybrunch is the competition, essaybay has certainly nothing to worry about at all.

By the way - essaybrunch is not even indexed on google yet. When one types in essaybrunch, one gets results for essaypunch.com. This means that it was just went live a few hours or days ago. Despite that, chacha just managed to find it ...

I hate to say it ... but I agree with this statement :(

They are crooks. The Bestessays group, masterpapers, customessays.co.uk, essayassistance, capitalessays, ma-dissertations, etc., are Ukranian companies, not British and Americans as they so blatantly proclaim. They regularly scam customers and writers, retain the right to resell a customer's `custom-ordered' research and most of their writers have no business writing at primary-school level, let alone university-level. They claim that their writers hold PhD and MA degrees and are native English-language speakers. A handful of their writers fulfil this description but the majority do not. In brief, these companies are owned and managed by fraudsters.

WritersBeware has posted the link to an investigator's report of these companies' activities. The assumption here is that, as the evidence against them continues to accumulate, these sites may eventually be shut down by court order.

Call your credit card company and request a CHARGEBACK. If you've paid via Paypal, submit a support ticket asap. Do not allow them to get away with your money.

No. You really have mentioned the most comprehensive one as it checks your submission against the web, academic databases and papers stored in its student repository. Even if you have to pay for it, knowing where you stand prior to the submission of your paper for grading, is always the best approach. The `free' alternatives are simply ill-equiped to do the same. Added to that, a member of this forum (WritersBeware) has established that once you upload your paper to their plagiarism-check database, they can use your submission (paper) for their own purposes.

Writing the United States and United Kingdom instead of Ukraine is an editorial mistake?! Well, they are so used to lying and getting away with it and they just might try to spin that stupendously idiotic justification ...

I completely agree. Its originality reports are comprehensive and very easy to read/understand. It is invaluable for students who want to check the status of their work before they submit it

You qualified before but do not qualify now? A company whose test results are inconsistent and whose writer screening process is whimsical is hardly one which I would boldly declare legit. I am not claiming that they are scammers but only saying that the conclusion one draws from your posts is not in their favour.

Charging for email delivery = joke
Adjustment = sick joke
If the company referred to really does any of that, you should request a CHARGEBACK immediately and go to their payment processor's website and submit a comprehensive and detailed complaint.

Exactly. As long as WB is not promoting her services or prancing around here as a writer in search of clients, her identity is not important. Plus, were she to reveal it, do you think she would be able to continue doing that which she does? The Ukranian gangsters will target her ... online harrasment, attempts at intimidation, the spreading of vicious rumours designed to undermine her credibility, defaming her character, etc etc. I would not be surprised were they to devote part of their marketing budgeting to the defamation of her character in an effort to undermine her credibility.

I have a question - why is everybody so angered by WB's posting of evidence? In most cases, she refers us to the gangsters' own websites and just asks us to read what they have written about themselves - on that basis, we are asked to arrive at our own judgement.

And if she goes on about fake addresses, isn't that natural? Why would any but a scammer post a fake company address? And what about the companies who offer up trash as "quality researcher" and refuse to refund students?


E-W, you know what she said about the legal system is true.

It is. You do, however, get a lot of scammers (both writers and customers) on the site.

Turnitin is not free unless you are using an account etablished for you by your university.

Yes, but have you ever come across the work which these "academic and writing professionals" produce? Rampant plagiarism; superficial and nonsensical content; and rotten English ... Most of their writers are absolutely unqualified and, worse still, management is equally linguistically and academically unqualified. I am not disputing the fact that these companies have a handful of good writers but, generally speaking, the majority have absolutely no place in the industry.

That I believe as the terms of use, posted above, are rather Faustian.

The support system is awful.

Very much actually ...

We can argue semantics all day long but Legal Executives are lawyers. Whether or not she is a Legal Executive is something I do not know ...

Anyway - whether she is a legal practitioner or not is hardly the issue. The question here was about Raptor and, despite the fact that my


, I believe WB settled it through the provision of sound evidence. Do not let this nonsensical debate over Jennifer's qualifications, or lack thereof, overwhelm WB's presentation of credible evidence.

So, the writers do all the work, bring in the profits and ....

thanks for the list

I never had a problem with them as payment was always processed whenever I requested. However, I once tried to contact them to report a customer who was posting the same project over and over again (Escrow was always pending) and they never picked up. The customer was a scammer ... Maybe you are in the same situation or has the customer actually processed payment?

If that is the case, I apologise for misjudging you and good luck in your studies :)

That says it all ...good of you to post that clarification

I believed you up until this point ... Are you serious? One of your university teachers took money from you and wrote up your assignments? And your teacher (a university-level one, nonetheless) only charged you 110 GBP for 30 pages?! That is 3.6 per page! Did you approach him/her or did s/he approach you? I find this quite difficult to believe and am assuming that the purpose of the post is for people to PM you and ask for the "teacher's" name and contact info.

I can only assume that you are yourself the "teacher" ... and are attempting to drum up business. Your writing skills, however, leave EVERYTHING to be desired, meaning that you probably won't be able to pull gullible students your way ....


There is no 1:2 in the UK grading system?! It's 1, 2:1, 2:2 and 3. Have you ever been to a British university?????


Students are expected to believe 1) someone who makes impulsive and irresponsible decisions when it comes to his/her grade; 2) a person who cannot string a proper sentence together and is, accordingly, not qualified to judge a written piece of research?

By the way, I have no inkling of whether the company you refer to is legit or not ... my picking your post apart should not be interpreted as a defense of that company

EW - you are goading WB and all the anti-Ukranian scam site folks here to do something, take action. And you know what? You never once really defended your supposed bosses ... I don't think you are with them and I am beginning to believe that you want them to come crashing down as much as WB and co. Goading + no real defence of EW, etc = ????

I really do believe that you are an astoundingly intelligent individual, and I am really serious when saying this ...

They do treat their writers well, irrespective of claims to the contrary - and I am speaking on the basis of personal experience ...

Confusing ... didn't know that any non-governmental entity wielded such power.


Shocking ...

On the off-chance that a member of the Royal Family would write it for them ...

Seriously though ... I thought that UKessays paid writers 40-50% of the total? A few REAL American companies pay 50%.

LL.B 1st class honours? What does that make her ... a baker, a butcher or a candlestick maker? And what about the fact that "Legal Executives are qualified lawyers specialising in a particular area of law?" And ... are we discussing Raptor here or Jennifer? Just because she is one of the few here whose real identity is known does not mean that we are licensed to attack her personally.

Jeniffer made particular claims about the use of Raptor and WB disproved them through reference to the terms of use ... that's all there is to it.

???!!!!

Crushing evidence ... debate over