Very unlikely.


You'd have to ask an active writer, but my guess is you don't have to worry, either (assuming you don't use the model research to earn an academic credit).

You may want to make sure that the four sites don't actually have same owner (it's quite possible, especially if the rates are similar).


Freelance writers generally establish their own rates per page, but yes, $10 per page is minimum if you contract with a legitimate UK or US-based service. On some sites you can make on average $12-15 per page.

Your post is surrounded by essay service links; look at the top too ;). If it doesn't help, do some search and you should be able to find reliable services (if not, give EssayDirectory.com a chance too).

That's a smart choice, too.

I guess most writers use professional accounting services to complete their independent freelance writer tax forms. But it can also be done on your own; there's plenty of information about tax news and issues online.

If you have completed the order according to provided instructions and by agreed deadline then you should get paid for your work. If you don't do anything to fight the fraudulent claim there are chances the scammer has more than one stolen credit card and will order again from you as a different client.

I thought the client decided their own deadlines...

Having an option is always a good thing, but there are few clients who would request a model essay to be written in broken English...

Correct. Plus having everything in writing may be useful in case of a problem.

What about individual freelance writers - can they be in "legal trouble" too or the laws only apply to companies.

How much does she make per page (does a page = 250 | 275 | 300 words?).

You would never be able to prove that (especially that there are writers who share your religious disbeliefs and have active accounts at the same time).


They don't have to worry about it unless they knowingly violate the TOS.

Translation:

If an essay company I've been working on for 10 years disables my writer account now, I may try to sue them under several legal theories.


Working as an independent contractor, your contract ends when your last order was completed. They cannot "fire" an independent contractor.


Not correct. You've had a freelance writer account set up for 10 years. That's a big difference.


It's not to convince anybody. It's to confirm the theory about a typical freelance writer.


Go nuts? I'd enjoy the discussion. If anything, you went nuts about my accurate arguments :)


Yes, students who submit model academic papers for credit are "dishonest customers" and legit essay providers refuse working with them.


I don't post here to make enemies. I just want to clear up some old and inaccurate misconceptions, mindlessly repeated by reporters or academic professors, who try to attribute academic dishonesty among a small group of students to legitimate "essay companies" that are in fact proactive in their approach to eliminating such dishonest buyers. And I think this thread proves my points.

It's hard to believe:

1. On Nov 26, 2013 I posted:


2. On Dec 3, 2013, a scammer registered an account under the SAME FAKE EMAIL / email, ie. <Dr. Paul Steward> dr.paul.steward@gmail and started spamming this forum. How low can these scammers go?

You, again, care about your bottom line only. If you are a typical "freelance writer" working in this industry then I stand by my comments / 4 points above.

They "expressly prohibit them" - that's the first and the most important step.


They don't attract most of them in the first place and they refuse to work with them.

It takes a lot explaining for you to understand ;).

If you read my 4 points above, I explained it in detail. Again, in my opinion "freelance writers" do nothing to stop dishonest buyers from committing academic fraud and this fact can be (and probably is) being exploited by such buyers. Having a proper Terms of Service notice should be the first step to fix it.

Again, I don't claim you are not an excellent writer; my point is about freelance writers not having Terms of Service which may attract dishonest buyers.

Your questions are irrelevant. If you have nothing to say on the topic (apparently you don't), skip it. Here is my reasoning:

1. Since the so called "professional freelance writers" have no Terms of Service, it means they should not be called "professional" in the first place. It's like calling a day laborer a construction expert.

2. Since "professional freelance writers" have no Terms of Service available to their clients, it means they don't care about the laws and policies of academic institutions.

3. If they don't care about the laws and policies of academic institutions, students who are considering breaking the laws and policies are more likely to order from them rather than from services that abide the law. It's a simple market mechanism - if someone is thinking about committing an illegal or unethical act, they seek the weakest point first. That is, they first seek the services of "individual freelance writers" who don't care about the laws as long as they get paid.

4. In the end, my next point is that any potential "reporters" or "journalists" who may happen to read this forum and who are interested in the stories about "essay mills helping students cheat" should rather focus their attention on "professional freelance writers" who don't have any Terms of Service and may be attracting attention of dishonest buyers. In my opinion, freelance writers (and there are thousands of them on various 'craigslist' or 'elance' type of sites), not essay services, promote black market because they do nothing to prevent their clients from misusing their services.

The company I work for doesn't allow students to use the service in an illegal or unethical way. My question is specifically about "professional freelance writers" though.

Yes, this one.

Thanks for being honest and admitting integrity is not your strong suit..

In other words, you asked for publicity. On the other hand, I see your intentions were not as ill-willed as I initially thought.

Exactly.


It makes me wonder how you can actually comprehend and follow your clients' instructions? You miss the whole point of the debate and you miss the goal of the TOS.

Do you know what stops writers like ghostwriter, 99essays, etc. from doing exactly that?

1. The TOS.

2. Integrity. They get it -- they also have dozens of satisfied clients who could register new accounts and post their "genuine impressions" about their work upon request. But they don't do it because it's tacky and not genuine. They aren't as desperate as you seem to be.


It's not about keywords in the TOS. What part of the message you don't understand:

The EssayScam Forum is not a place for blatant advertising or publicity.

By "legit clients" you mean only the clients satisfied with your work. You didn't email clients who might have had problems with your service, did you. Also, did you tell your "legit clients" to read the forum Terms, for example this point:

13. The EssayScam Forum is not a place for blatant advertising or publicity.

My guess is, again, no. Because you don't care about forum rules; you only care about your "reputation" and finances.

Do you really think you're the only one who came up with an idea to try to spam forum with invited testimonials?


So you know the Terms after all? How "positive recommendations" are different from "invited and positive testimonials"?

Have you actually read the TOS? Do you think writers or essay companies can just show up with a cohort of their current/former clients and spam the forum with testimonials? The clients may be genuine (even though they are not because you were actively seeking their attention to post here), so you miss the point. Would you like "stu4", "Essays99", "MeoCon" etc. or dozens of other writers / company owners to invite their clients to post "genuine testimonials" here?

You are free to post your clients' testimonials on your website or on your blog,, but it is not fair to other writers or essay providers who have actually read and followed the TOS and chose not to engage in these dubious practices.

+ cph. It's sort of funny; I guess FW just emailed some of his clients to post testimonials (that violate the TOS because they are not genuine) here. Sigh..

If that was the case, there would be no public complaints about those "legitimate essay companies." But as far as I can tell, that's not the case (maybe except for some services that chose to be listed on the DND list; hmm, perhaps you're right and these "legitimate essay companies" are listed there).


That's right. But in reality you don't seem to know a lot about the companies you worked for. I know the company you've worked for is legitimate, but I think they kept you in the dark about some important aspects.


As I told you, there's no proper selection there. BUT I've just changed my signature. Are you happy now, does it change anything? Probably not, but let truth, logical thinking, and common sense prevail.

PS. It would be helpful if you explain what you mean by an "essay company." To me, an "essay company" is an entity that:

- Owns an essay service website hosted under their own domain name (EVEN IF the website is run by a single person / single writer).

So, "legitimate companies" (as you call them) asked you for your resume and a writing sample. "Illegitimate companies" ask about exactly the same. So how do you differentiate between the two groups (considering there are good writers and bad writers at every company)?

So, according to you (and you had mentioned it a few times already), the so called "legitimate companies" just set up writer accounts to anyone who needs one and then it's up to customer's luck if they receive a quality paper (or receive it at all)?

When discussing freelance writers vs. companies you tend to conveniently assume that a novice/poor-quality/ESL writer whose account was just set up will take the order. It may happen in maybe 10% of all cases, but you keep focusing on this unlikely scenario, I wonder why...

"Most" - meaning one or two?


Let me guess - the writers you know are the "top 3 essay industry writers" who will beat the established companies within 2 years, right.


You've just proved my point. We can assume you (like most of other freelance writers, including the "top 3 industry writers") are professional writers. But at the same time, you are amateurish sales people, customer service people, accountants, and web designers. And your availability is limited (I guess you need to sleep and do other things unrelated to your job, too). Now it doesn't stop some of you from wanting to charge the same rates professional essay companies do - despite the fact you struggle to do all these things on your own.

You may have some luck on EssayChat.

Ok, so one of you is lying. Your colleague wrote that my statement about writers working for essay services for $10-$15 per page is false and that legitimate companies may pay him up to $35-$40 per page. What's your experience on that? How much on average have you been paid working for a writing service; was it $35-40 per page too?

I'm sure administrator has better things to do on Thanksgiving Day than banning previous trolls.

If a student presses hard enough, he/she might be put in touch with a decent company writer (even "scam companies" work with some decent freelance writers).


Of course it's not always the case.

After tough negotiations you might be able to get $20-25 :) But definitely no more than $35-40 as you suggest.

Here is a typical pricing structure (as paid by customers) of the companies you allegedly worked for:

$18.00 per page due in 15+ days
$19.00 per page due in 7-14 days
$22.00 per page due in 5-6 days
$26.00 per page due in 3-4 days
$30.00 per page due in 2 days
$35.00 per page due in 1 days
$39.00 per page due in 8-24 hours

So you claim you get $35-$40 per page working for these companies?


From my understanding, you have been banned for trolling and TOS abuse in the past. Still, you came back under a new username because you realized without the free advertising this forum may give you your services mean absolutely nothing in the marketplace and your hope for a new $40-per-page client is close to zero on sites like Elance or Odesk.

It also depends on what's more important for the writer or company -- adhering to their own Terms of Service (ie. not allowing their clients to submit the model work for an academic credit) or getting compensation for a completed job.

Legitimate companies have some sort of a hiring process. They won't work with a contractor who cannot write a coherent sentence or whose writing samples, resume, or personal messages contain blatant errors. On the other hand, anyone can set up a new email account under a fake name, for example: dr.paul.steward@gmail and claim to be Dr. Paul Steward.

It's in the company's best interests to work with contractors who don't misrepresent their skills, location, or credentials. When working with a random freelance writer, a client misses this important verification step. And even if the writer fails, the company manages the payments and you can get a refund or have your order reassigned without fighting the system.

That's my thinking, too. I understand not paying for a completed paper that meets the specifications is stealing.